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So just cause this game has a focus on the club, automatically we must accept everything. So I guess all girls should be chores. And by the way, there is technically two, during second exhibition you could choose Ian to participate instead, think of how much better the scene could of been and possibly a bit longer if they didn't do that scene and just extended mc scene with her.

During Interview you have to use her and be sadistic to get sexual content, full deal unlocks more sexual stuff like in parking lot and pictures. Last update full deal got non stop blowjob, so romance scene got shorter. So it affects more than just ONE scene for sharing, etc. as you say.

And you can't judge someone's feelings, on how they feel, this is just how I feel right now, with her feeling more side character, I want better for romance path. Just like you have feelings on Veronica, I do dor Rose, you can't judge how someone feels. So just stop responding and let's move on, cause we clearly won't see eye to eye. Hope you have a good day.
Right, one last thing: I already told you you can feel whatever you want, but you are in a public space. If you don't want people engaging with what you said and risk them disagreeing with you, then you should stick to DMs or just, let the thoughts stay just thoughts, idk. And my feelings on Veronica scenes are just a case of "can't wait for more", not "hey I'm gonna just outright put my thoughts out and just make them sound like they're the truth cuz I feel left out cuz this isn't about what I, the individual player, want."

You can't just guilt trip the creators into thinking your vision on things is how it should be, nor should you spread around falsehoods and act like they're true; that's just selfish behavior. You said "Hey I think you don't realize how little content she actually has" when you first responded to me, and I had to immediately point out that, "Actually, Rosalind has probably more content than most of the girls in the entire game, and being a single mother similar to Edwin's is why he initially became fixated on her."

And yes, to get the sexual content in the initial interview you have to be sadistic and mean to her. And that also locks you out of her entire route for the rest of the game.

It's almost like the devs wanted to show that being a selfish person at the expense of others has consequences.
 

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I will stop spamming replies her for a while to let others voice their positive feedback but could you be so kind and tell me which lines you are referring to?
Listen, you've been part of part of the discussions in this thread for a long time now and I take what you said for what it is: honest criticism. I appreciate that, even if I push back partly out of defensiveness and partly to process the criticism leveled. I look forward to releases because I enjoy seeing the thread active again and, to be honest, that includes this kind of back and forth - but I get it's impossible to have a conversation when 4 or 5 people are quoting you.

Still, thank you for taking the time to voice your thoughts. It wasn't merely just "update small" or "I'm disappointed", there was consideration behind them.

As for my Hana defense, I was hoping her (rapid) acceptance of the place would portend what's to come. Stuff like quickly coming around on the Kimber thing, her becoming more friendly with August, and even her not outright rejecting Kat. Then there's the exhibition, of which is the big TBD.

To go back to an earlier suggestion you made, we actually did consider having Edwin and Hana interrupted during the photo shoot, but I shelved that complication. So, good instincts, but the way I saw it, it amounted to a "get out of here" or an "oops, sorry" as it's not like any of the patrons would have anything on Hana or Edwin for fucking around - or any reason to make a big deal out of it. It is, perhaps, a wasted opportunity for a small character moment though.
 

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A couple of people have mentioned there's only a week left, but I think some aren't considering how packed chapter 4 is. With "get Edwin close to every one" done, I believe there's enough time to do what I hope to do.

Maybe not though (I'm a hack), time will tell, but it's certainly not the last chance for Hana to "thrive."

Personally, I think Hana has showed some of the gumption you're making a case for in this very update, but your reading is your own and I cannot refute it .

Regardless, the night isn't over.
Just make this background art a reality and I'll be happy; I've been a good boy who hasn't broken hearts, I promise.
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- because our buddy Mr Bubu most likely is going to update his walkthrough in the meanwhile;
That might take a bit longer than usual this time around:
"My family is relocating and moving abroad on a short notice. This was not really planned and the next months are going to be very busy for us. […] I don't know how much free time I'll have after we move and settle down" (from public Patreon post on the 1st of September)
 

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brings me to something I remember before based on what some of the Girls said to Edwin about how he hasn't chosen a "Favorite girl" yet, which from what I understand is first dibs/priorities on one of the prostitutes outside exhibition hours when they aren't booked; I hope that comes around to some extent cuz a few of them are nice enough that I wouldn't mind seeing more scenes with. As much as I think Hana and Mina are my absolute favorites (and possibly most likely to have normal functioning relationships with Edwin when this is all over), other girls that aren't the main heroines are nice too.
 
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And I don't see how what you're suggesting could make Felicia's "betrayal" more meaningful.
My idea was that if Felicia wins the games, his chance of taking a high office would go up in smokes, at least for the time being. And she would be untouchable with friends in high places. Her whoring around would a have direct impact on his future endeavors beyond the act of adultery, which was, according to you, something he was already aware of happening. A trophy wife serving as a roadblock for his aspirations. I'd call that irony. But maybe I am overselling it and it can't be done.

I appreciate that, even if I push back partly out of defensiveness and partly to process the criticism leveled.
LMAO you have nothing to apologize for. I love you guys. Writing his fucking hard and I wouldn't be here if hadn't a certain level of respect and admiration for your work.

Still, thank you for taking the time to voice your thoughts. It wasn't merely just "update small" or "I'm disappointed", there was consideration behind them.
Not always as much as I want there to be but rage is a hell of anesthetic. :LOL:

As for my Hana defense, I was hoping her (rapid) acceptance of the place would portend what's to come. Stuff like quickly coming around on the Kimber thing, her becoming more friendly with August, and even her not outright rejecting Kat. Then there's the exhibition, of which is the big TBD.
This I had anticipated. You not feeding me a direct line, I mean. Slippery fella. :p Would have loved to compare notes...

It's the one aspect that didn't pass my vibe check. Felt like she still wasn't in the right head space nor that she had many opportunities to show a different side of her. The things already in place hadn't convinced me yet that she's capable of seeing the club in a different light.

But you're right, having Edwin shoot her topless when one "passerby" decides to play the fly on the wall could have lead to a handful of interesting outcomes. Does she allow him to watch silently or has she found a new diplomatic voice to make her admirer leave the place without much fuss?
 

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away from the Hana Sophia disscution and drama above totally agree with Discrepancy this is one of the best updates and the best chapter overall, a huge incentive to replay from the beginning until the next one comes i didnt get a lot of scenes with my good boy Edwin . Thanks again for the Vicky scene; I just hope this isn’t the end of her story. Still, I can understand if it is, given how that conversation went.
 
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So just cause this game has a focus on the club, automatically we must accept everything. So I guess all girls should be chores. And by the way, there is technically two, during second exhibition you could choose Ian to participate instead, think of how much better the scene could of been and possibly a bit longer if they didn't do that scene and just extended mc scene with her.

During Interview you have to use her and be sadistic to get sexual content, full deal unlocks more sexual stuff like in parking lot and pictures. Last update full deal got non stop blowjob, so romance scene got shorter. So it affects more than just ONE scene for sharing, etc. as you say.

And you can't judge someone's feelings, on how they feel, this is just how I feel right now, with her feeling more side character, I want better for romance path. Just like you have feelings on Veronica, I do dor Rose, you can't judge how someone feels. So just stop responding and let's move on, cause we clearly won't see eye to eye. Hope you have a good day.
I kinda agree rose romance route is kinda small and also she is the only main character who doesnt have a date scene unless i am forgetting something.
 
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You can view her as one of the temptresses guiding the protagonist toward a particular kind of behavior. If in the previous update Andrea and her scene served this role, here we see a "double down" with Allisson, she represents the natural next step for the protagonist. From this perspective, choosing Allisson leads down an animalistic path, actively embracing the club's decadence.
In this framework, Sophia offers the viewpoint of an observer and one of the key orchestrators of this "animal world" through her drugs and experiments. However, it’s still unclear how much we can separate Abel from Sophia: does she embody purely the "researcher" aspect, as suggested by her comments about hating all these people, or is she merely opposed to the specific direction of their activities, such as the Viagra-like analogues, rather than something more fundamental.
Kaitlyn would then serve as the complementary half of this guidance: her "games" and "experiments" are driven by her own sensuality and sadism, which she seeks to awaken in Edwin as well.
Hana and her scene with stacks of cash clearly symbolize greed, and I believe she should push Abel back toward vice, not the other way around. After all, gaining a daughter gave him the impetus for reflection and "redemption."
Mina fits perfect into this structure if Edwin follows Kaitlyn’s path, becoming the first recipient of his own experiments.
Hi!
I agree with you that Andrea and Allison follow-up are quite much a way towards the club´s decandence, depravity and wider goals. The "dark" path, so to speak.

But I want to inject that Andrea represents more than just the way to accept the club. Andrea is also a showcase for how comparatively good the club could be without the likes of Kath and Chuck.
Andrea never had a chance from the start of her life. Going by what we know from her family, dysfunctional would be a kind label, which is the reason she is uneducated and never had a chance to develop her talents. Now she is a porn actress and parttime prostitute, but she likes it, has a retained a sunny, friendly disposition and going by what is insinuated, she is comparatively well off. She is also the only housegirl so far calling August by his nickname, that is something we should keep in mind for the whole situation our hero is in.
In many ways, Andrea is Mina through a mirror, "foggy". The club´s version of her. Mina had the luck to get a really good education and options how to develop as an adult. She is a model, aspiring actress on the way to her maybe breakthrough and a sunny, friendly person, if sheltered.
As mentioned above, Andrea is her "club alter ego". No education, far too much wrong "life experience" by her surroundings, adult model, popular porn actress, parttime hooker, but also a sunny, friendly person. The club and adult stuff surrounding it was Andrea´s first chance to gain some semblance of life.
It might be far from good and perfect, but the club could be something more than simply depravity, ambition and moral decay. Chosing Andrea means accepting the club, but not as deep as chosing Allison does. Allison embodies the personal decline of most VIP members, the darkness you have to court to thrive in the den Kath and Chuck created.

Sophia, as I wrote in a post to GIL, in my opinion is the embodiment of the "grey" path. Chosing her is de facto denying the depths of corruption and even evil Allison, Kath and Chuck represent, while also accepting that sometimes the goals justify the means. Sophia loaths the VIP members, what they do and represent. What our hero and she do during the orgy is setting a clear counterpoint. And you as the player also accept Sophia and her way as she is. The amoral(!), calculating, eccentric, nerdy genius with black ops training and indoctrination, shaped to be van Doren´s right hand, sword and successor. The woman who wants to improve and enjoy the world. She will never be the "white" path, but she also will never be the "dark" one. And we can see it by just looking at her. Blond hair and always black clothes.

I also agree with you that Kath tries to use Hana as a way to keep August "in line" and pushed back into the club´s darkness. As Kath observed, gaining Hana changed August. He reflects more about his life and is "drifting away" from the darkest aspects of the club. He even seeks some kind of "redemption", which we can see with enough friendship points. The old August would never have said that the way he forced himself back into Hana´s life was wrong. Or that he is a bad person and insinuated that he did far too many wrong things during is life so far.
 
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Finally, after years of waiting, we get a real sex scene with best girl Sophia. She was so incredible this update, continuing to be a fascinating character with more and more layers to unwrap, and I would have loved a more intimate and private and longer sex scene with her, I understand why it was like this. The cuddling afterward was a nice touch at least.

Hearing that she has a larger role going forward is music to my ears. Only did a single playthrough so far, so need to do more before I really judge things.
 

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Sophia, as I wrote in a post to GIL, in my opinion is the embodiment of the "grey" path. Chosing her is de facto denying the depths of corruption and even evil Allison, Kath and Chuck represent, while also accepting that sometimes the goals justify the means. Sophia loaths the VIP members, what they do and represent. What our hero and she do during the orgy is setting a clear counterpoint. And you as the player also accept Sophia and her way as she is. The amoral(!), calculating, eccentric, nerdy genius with black ops training and indoctrination, shaped to be van Doren´s right hand, sword and successor. The woman who wants to improve and enjoy the world. She will never be the "white" path, but she also will never be the "dark" one. And we can see it by just looking at her. Blond hair and always black clothes.
You'd have to shift the morality scale pretty far toward evil for Sofia to even appear neutral. Her human experiments and shady basement dealings at the club are clearly not charity work. But you could argue that she's like this under Abel's influence, since she fell under an influence similar to the club's at an even younger age than Edwin and Ian.
 
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brings me to something I remember before based on what some of the Girls said to Edwin about how he hasn't chosen a "Favorite girl" yet, which from what I understand is first dibs/priorities on one of the prostitutes outside exhibition hours when they aren't booked; I hope that comes around to some extent cuz a few of them are nice enough that I wouldn't mind seeing more scenes with. As much as I think Hana and Mina are my absolute favorites (and possibly most likely to have normal functioning relationships with Edwin when this is all over), other girls that aren't the main heroines are nice too.
Yeah there's lot of house girls that I would love scenes with, more Dalia, the new girl Kimber, Yoori, Harper, Andrea and the other tattooed girl I don't remember the name, I mean I woud a love a scene with them all and maybe at the same time :sneaky:but I doubt we ever get it, it would take much time to get them all, still here's hoping.
away from the Hana Sophia disscution and drama above totally agree with Discrepancy this is one of the best updates and the best chapter overall, a huge incentive to replay from the beginning until the next one comes i didnt get a lot of scenes with my good boy Edwin . Thanks again for the Vicky scene; I just hope this isn’t the end of her story. Still, I can understand if it is, given how that conversation went.
Wanted to like your post but I'm out of reactions for the time being. Glad you agree on the quality of the update. I too hope for more Vicky Scenes, hope we get them in the future!
I couldn't get the Hana or Mina scenes after the Vicky talk, dunno if those scenes you are talking about, and since I only play one route I had to use gallery unlocker to see the scenes and damn just this pic from the Mina scene made me reconsider restarting the game to get this scene on my canon Edwin:
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Looks like she's under a brainwashing drug or something
It is possible that she was very serious when she said she had been up for 36 hours straight and couldn't piece together when she was actually at Edwin's house based on that fact, but I think we're seeing her show her hand more too, on what's really going on with her and Van Doren, and the drugs they're developing for Kathleen. I also am under a pretty big suspicion that when it comes to the drugs that affect women, she tests product on herself more than anyone; one of which was the Perfume, which Kathleen was the first to be seen using, but the second person Edwin met that uses it is Sophia, with a different strain and potency to it, which she was taking active clinical assessment on Edwin's reaction to it.

She then makes the joke about stimulants to Edwin when it came to the offer of Coffee, and then later said she was up for 36 hours straight, which is almost *impossible* to do without some stimulant fueling you to keep you just standing up straight.
 
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I want to me able to see the Hana scene in the newest update, does anyone knows where that's marked that I could edit with the renpy save editor? I assume it's a flag or variable, but after about 5 minutes of looking, it wasn't obvious. I believe I need our relationship to go from Fuckbuddies to Girlfriend, and I don't want to have to backtrack to make that work (sue me I'm lazy)
 
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Wanted to like your post but I'm out of reactions for the time being. Glad you agree on the quality of the update. I too hope for more Vicky Scenes, hope we get them in the future!
I couldn't get the Hana or Mina scenes after the Vicky talk, dunno if those scenes you are talking about, and since I only play one route I had to use gallery unlocker to see the scenes and damn just this pic from the Mina scene made me reconsider restarting the game to get this scene on my canon Edwin:
Yeah, no gallery unlocker for me shit hit different when there’s context. I’ve got time anyway.
 

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You'd have to shift the morality scale pretty far toward evil for Sofia to even appear neutral. Her human experiments and shady basement dealings at the club are clearly not charity work. But you could argue that she's like this under Abel's influence, since she fell under an influence similar to the club's at an even younger age than Edwin and Ian.
I´d like to inject that unlike other "special" happenings like "Oliver´s accident", we have never seen a flashback or it actually happening what Sophia does or does not do in the cellar. In addition, we have already learned that Abel and Sophia have black op labs, where they could experiment to their heart´s content. Why risk being exposed should something happen at the club? It is one thing to know about a person imprisoned in the cellar and another experimenting on her. I doubt Abel, with his sterling reputation as a great humanitarian, would ever risk losing it. And some "funny human experiements done in a sex club on prisoners there" would not be coming out well!
I think Abel and Sophia are faking it in the cellar, not necessarily because of scrouples, but because it is idiotic to try illegal experiments in a place not fully under your control, far too dangerous to be uncovered.
She is the only person beside sometimes Abel himself, who goes in that cellar lab. She´s looking after the prisoner, but the drugs she invents come from the black op labs, far safer for the possibility that everything blows up. Abel and Sophia could argue in such a case having looked after the prisoner "under danger" themselves and tipping of the police. Who would they believe more? The famous humanitarian and his successor or the club leaders, who depending on what gets digged up might be on the way to the "apple green chamber"?
And as you said, we can argue that Sophia is acting at least partially under indoctrination. Also this is a dark crime story, going by what we get bit by bit about the club and it´s members, even indoctrinated Sophia represents a neutral position.

Sophia was really weird this update, even weirder than before, was she drugged by Abel when she visited us? The way she acted later at the club was suspicious.
A possible explanation from me is here https://f95zone.to/threads/pale-carnations-ch-4-up-6-ea-mutt-jeff.50281/post-18227602
 
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Another gallery unlocker. Copy paste to text file named unlock.rpy under game/

Should work for future versions too

Python:
init python:
    def main():
        log = []

        unlock(log)
        dump_persistent(log)
        dump_log(log)


    def unlock(log: list[str]):
        import re
        from pathlib import Path

        fp = Path("./game/scripts.rpa")
        script = fp.read_text(errors="ignore")

        scenes = set()
        ms = re.finditer(r"persistent\.(\w+) = True", script)
        for m in ms:
            k = m.group(1)
            scenes.add(k)

            log.append(f"Found gallery scene {k}")

        for k in scenes:
            setattr(persistent, k, True)


    def dump_persistent(log: list[str]):
        import json

        filtered = dict()
        for k in dir(persistent):
            if k.startswith("_"):
                continue

            filtered[k] = getattr(persistent, k)

        log.append(f"===persistent===")
        log.append(json.dumps(filtered, indent=2))
        log.append(f"================")

    def dump_log(log: list[str]):
        from pathlib import Path

        fp_log = Path("./unlock.log")
        fp_log.write_text("\n".join(log))

    main()
 
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