VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[eomnuu]

You probably using an outdated mod

u were right, i had a slow moment. I appreciate it

 

[Turret]

Did it ever occur to you that it might just be down to her many faces as a woman and not to do with imprinting at all?

Yes, it did, but discarded due to the way TD started to make the storyline darker all across.

 

[SilverFire]

Can you please update the link in the OP to the .pdf walkthrough?

 

[BOZZU]

Here's my compressed Unofficial Android Port of "Pale Carnations" Ch.4 Up.6 EA:

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[michelazzo]

any chance to have the Mac version? I tried with the usual trick of just change the "game" folder in RenPy but did not work!

 

[ename144]

As for other scenarios where he could admit he dislikes the club I think for this to happen we would need different choices from the very start. At various stages of his employment he enjoyed his job more than he should have (judging by his initial reaction when he learned the truth he would be learning in a brothel). IMO if Edwin was a person who could dislike the club he wouldn't have accepted the job in the first place but then there would be a pre-mature game over screen.

I could see TD writing it in a plausible way though but that would require even more paths and even more time spent on a path that only a handful of gamers would appreciate (although I guess some of your suggestions could be implemented at a relatively fast rate, who knows). Sadly most of us here are total perverts (including me) so TD and GIL have to be selective on what to show.

I disagree, though perhaps I'm not explaining myself well. The game starts with the MC repeatedly pondering the question of whether he was a 'good' person rather than someone who had never been given the chance to be 'bad.' The game then proceeds to give our MC a litany of opportunities to be bad, some of which he automatically accepts but some of which are notably left to our discretion.

To me, it seemed clear that the Club was going to serve as a crucible for the MC, forcing him to choose whether or not to be good. In that light, it felt inevitable that the MC's decision to join the Club would be in for a review at a later date: an MC who chose good would either leave the Club behind or change the Club to something that didn't give endless opportunities to do bad.

By that framework, I feel it is getting rather late in the game for the review. Obviously if you assume the review will never come and the MC's initial judgement will be immutable then there's no issue. But if that's the framework we should be using, I don't think the start of the game did a good job laying it out.

Are you sure it's the case? I'm pretty sure that Edwin had Felicia x Mina threesome but also had a hand-holding intimate moment with her where he told her to prepare herself.

I'm reasonably certain. I did not get the opportunity on my Mina-focused route, and the variables the opportunity looks for ("w3FeliciaRomanceFocus" or "w3FeliciaLoseControl") are set during this choice in the solo-Felicia portion of her date. But I can only poke around with a semi-functional URM, I'm not looking at the code directly so it's possible I missed something.

 

[FRVN]

Does someone know the requirements for the last 2 "Memories" scenes for Kathleen? One says that it will happen through normal advancement of the story but it never happened for me and the last one says to do something stupid.

You need to seek advice from Kathleen after the second exhibition, and then later on, the "Progress through the story" scene comes up (as long as you choose to give it your all). For the second scene, at the end of the free roam at the end of the new update, you'll see Kathleen in the lobby with the police commissioner. Choose to catch the tiger by the tail. Just keep in mind that you cannot get the scenes with Hana/Lucy/Felicia during the free roam, as they, along with the scene with Kathleen, are exclusive and will end the free roam. Important to note that you need to have the first scene to unlock the second.

 

[sunaboz]

BTW, since we're nearing exhibition 3 what do you guys think about this problem I've mentioned over 3 years ago:

TD1900
Not sure if you can answer that at this point but I do wonder how you intend to deal with a possible problem that will arise after 3rd exhibition night, i.e. at this point one of the candidates/carnations might win the whole thing and 4th game won't be needed. From PC owners' POV that would be something undesirable and I would think they would try and rig the game so that they would continue for the 4th game (which means more bets and more money for the club). After all it was Kat (or rather the character you've written) who said:

Kathleen: Your primary role is to make sure the women don't leave the event prematurely. I'm not saying you have to be a friend or an advocate to do this, but you've got to keep them chasing after the carrot.

So I guess one of the endings could be premature (although I doubt it since it would end things too fast and possibly spoil the story and consequences) or the "losers" could fight for a 2nd place and a 2nd prize (assuming one would be provided) or as I've said Kat could fix the 3rd game in favour of a woman who wouldn't be in the lead.

Now that we know from Sophia that Allison might have won not only because she was the best but also (or mainly) because of her future use for the club it sheds new light on this issue.

 

[SageBestGirl]

I was surprised by this game. I thought it would be just another harem game, but Hana's route incredibly surprised me. It has an incredible romance, lots of deep and striking dialogue, sensational chemistry, and beautiful scenes. For me, Hana it's the best LI, as she essentially carries the romance (Mina's route is also very good at romance, but I prefer Hana's). The first date between MC and Hana was my favorite part of entire game.
I think it's beautiful that even with all this dirty part of club, Hana and MC identify with their origins and promise fidelity outside the club (I hope that in the end they both get rid of their jobs in club and are 100% free to love each other).
Congratulations to dev for an incredible game and for creating an incredible LI. Hana is in my top 5 favorite AVN girls, and i await anxiously for next updates.

 

[GamingSavant]

You know, I've been thinking about this and I think it would actually be funny for a run after the game is finished: What if there's an ending where Edwin is just a massive stick in the mud and doesn't get close to anyone and doesn't have sex more than he has to? There is clearly dialogue and extra scenes based around him turning down sex several points in the game so far, so it feels like there is an extra story in that path.

 

[Discrepancy]

BTW, since we're nearing exhibition 3 what do you guys think about this problem I've mentioned over 3 years ago:

Now that we know from Sophia that Allison might have won not only because she was the best but also (or mainly) because of her future use for the club it sheds new light on this issue.

Pretty sure Kathleen wouldn't let it end at week 3, I even think she already addressed that and said she won't, but I might be misremembering

 

[Meiri]

You know, I've been thinking about this and I think it would actually be funny for a run after the game is finished: What if there's an ending where Edwin is just a massive stick in the mud and doesn't get close to anyone and doesn't have sex more than he has to? There is clearly dialogue and extra scenes based around him turning down sex several points in the game so far, so it feels like there is an extra story in that path.

Ah yes, the secret monk ending: if you reject enough sex scenes, Edwin decides to abandon everything and go to the mountains to train with some monks; after several years, he comes back to the club with a group of monks, beats everyone, and finally frees all the girls, though he still refuses all notions of sex and simply goes back to the mountains.

 

[ffive]

What if there's an ending where Edwin is just a massive stick in the mud and doesn't get close to anyone and doesn't have sex more than he has to?

Ah, the canon Edwin, then.

 

[Leinad_Sevla]

Pretty hard and challenging. Requires quite some ingenuity. We're working with stiff assets here, making them feel fluid is not easy.

That really sucks. It also proves my suspicion as to why we don´t see it more often. It really helps the scene feel more dynamic and, well...hot. Thanks for the answer and please do more of those cumshots everytime you feel like it, they are very welcomed.

 

[GamingSavant]

Ah yes, the secret monk ending: if you reject enough sex scenes, Edwin decides to abandon everything and go to the mountains to train with some monks; after several years, he comes back to the club with a group of monks, beats everyone, and finally frees all the girls, though he still refuses all notions of sex and simply goes back to the mountains.

 

[johnysanchez01]

I'm not sure what those previous takes are, and your post is kind of confusing. But I can say for sure that Felicia didn’t use her open relationship as a cover. She knew she’d have to go for broke if she became a carnation. It’s also not about the art school — the school is a moment of revelation.

Of what? That despite her high social status, Felicia doesn’t have real, independent power to make things happen. That power was only ever given to her by Elias at his whim. So Felicia decided to put everything at the stake (which is quite a lot) for a chance to climb the ladder and gain real power. Is it dumb? Most people would say yes. Edwin points out how dumb it is, and Felicia kind of agrees... but man, TD’s writing is deceptive.

I thought I had it all figured out about that mental issue Edwin has regarding his mother’s past and how he perceives her — a narrative where Victoria has a role of a martyr who suffered for him. And that video with Victoria and Donovan should have been a distortion of that narrative. Yet Edwin’s internal monologue he had while watching the video surprised me. It wasn’t what I expected. While it doesn’t exactly contradict the 'matyr narrative' theory, it doesn’t quite fit with it either.

Then there’s Elias himself. I used to think the reason he refused Felicia’s request about the art school was to remind her of the dynamic in their relationship. But now that we’ve gotten a taste of his character — a glimpse of who he truly is — it doesn’t fit that interpretation either. It makes me wonder what was the true motive for Elias to refuse Felicia's plea and what kind of personalities the other patrons had before entering the club, and whether the club changed them in any way.

What I’m trying to say is that I’m not going to judge how stupid Felicia’s grand decision was, even if it looks like she’s completely failed right now. And I also don’t understand why you’d think inviting Elias is a plot hole. Elias is powerful and wealthy? Sure but so are they, except he’s just one man while they’re a group. The way the club maintains its secrecy is also explained in the game.

I appreciate the well-thought out response.

For me, Elias refusing to support the art school could easily just be related to the expenses behind supporting such a school. It wouldn't be cheap, even for a guy like Elias, so it could easily be a thing where Elias didn't fully understand how valuable the art school was to her (after all she keeps that part of herself hidden). There are enough details missing about this situation that it could be for a number reasons.

As for the Elias plot hole thing, my view is that trying to piss off Elias is a *borderline* plot hole because it doesn't make sense that they'd take on the risk of potentially drawing the ire of a powerful wealthy individual. Trying to blackmail him would be an insane gamble that could backfire horribly, Elias might lose his political career but they'd risk criminal charges. They can't "quietly" deal with him if he's uncooperative, he's too wealthy and connected for people to not notice. He makes one tip to the media and its over. The public would be all over a bunch of rich people running shady underground brothels (just see the Epstein and Diddy cases). There are no doubt plenty of resentful women who worked there that would cooperate with an investigation considering how they've been treated at the club.

I think people are bit too forgiving with how dumb Felicia's decision was because they're seeing it from the perspective of the protagonist who gets to fuck her, but objectively her decision is a crazy one. Even if she succeeded, it's not like Elias wouldn't notice Felicia somehow getting a ton of money to fund a school (that she asked him to fund before) out of nowhere.

 

[TD1900]

I think people are bit too forgiving with how dumb Felicia's decision was because they're seeing it from the perspective of the protagonist who gets to fuck her, but objectively her decision is a crazy one. Even if she succeeded, it's not like Elias wouldn't notice Felicia somehow getting a ton of money to fund a school (that she asked him to fund before) out of nowhere.

She's not doing it to fund the school. That's dead and gone.

 

[slightchance]

Spoiler: Dalia

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Intense write-up.

As for Dalia, it got me thinking that it's actually difficult to pull off a genuine people-pleaser. It looks like every character, no matter how significant or unimportant they are to the overarching story, "has to" explain themselves and their actions nowadays or the player (viewer/reader) won't be able to accept their portrayal as genuine. Maybe not every action needs a two page long background editorial to back up what's happening on screen. Maybe a story isn't allowed to waste any time at all.

It's kinda funny when you think about it: people in the real world behave irrationally on a constant basis without feeling obligated to give us a reason. We ourselves have to bring order to chaos.

PS: I believe Andrea's reaction was rather sweet and honest. That's not how you react when you're only aiming for brownie points.

 

[GamingSavant]

I appreciate the well-thought out response.

For me, Elias refusing to support the art school could easily just be related to the expenses behind supporting such a school. It wouldn't be cheap, even for a guy like Elias, so it could easily be a thing where Elias didn't fully understand how valuable the art school was to her (after all she keeps that part of herself hidden). There are enough details missing about this situation that it could be for a number reasons.

As for the Elias plot hole thing, my view is that trying to piss off Elias is a *borderline* plot hole because it doesn't make sense that they'd take on the risk of potentially drawing the ire of a powerful wealthy individual. Trying to blackmail him would be an insane gamble that could backfire horribly, Elias might lose his political career but they'd risk criminal charges. They can't "quietly" deal with him if he's uncooperative, he's too wealthy and connected for people to not notice. He makes one tip to the media and its over. The public would be all over a bunch of rich people running shady underground brothels (just see the Epstein and Diddy cases). There are no doubt plenty of resentful women who worked there that would cooperate with an investigation considering how they've been treated at the club.

I think people are bit too forgiving with how dumb Felicia's decision was because they're seeing it from the perspective of the protagonist who gets to fuck her, but objectively her decision is a crazy one. Even if she succeeded, it's not like Elias wouldn't notice Felicia somehow getting a ton of money to fund a school (that she asked him to fund before) out of nowhere.

Felicia is doing this to be her own person outside of Elias's shadow; to be independent of him instead of just a bird in a gilded cage. The School shutting down and Elias refusing to help it cuz it had no benefit for him whatsoever was what made her realize that she had to have her own power in order to truly get what she wants, because otherwise she only gets what Elias is willing to give her.

 

[sunaboz]

Ah yes, the secret monk ending: if you reject enough sex scenes, Edwin decides to abandon everything and go to the mountains to train with some monks; after several years, he comes back to the club with a group of monks, beats everyone, and finally frees all the girls, though he still refuses all notions of sex and simply goes back to the mountains.

On that note I loved this part of dialogue with Sophia:

Sophia: "...you are a deviant. You grabbed my hand."
"...."
Edwin: "Are you fucking with me?"

"........."
"......"
Sophia: "...yes."

Edwin: "Dr. Van Doren was right. You are funny."

Sophia: "I told you."