VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Turret]

Sure, but if Hana decided to whore herself at the club he probably be ok with it, if she was forced to yeah August would kill the one forcing her.
Anyway not seeing it happening, kinda out of character for Hana, could see Mina doing it to satisfy her curiosity, but not Hana

Very much agree with you on this topic.

This anticlimactic turn, so to speak, in Grace's subplot serves, in my view, precisely to portray how her personality suffers from intense emotional detachment. She believes she can "buy" anyone and, consequently, delegate any task, no matter how immoral it may be... this is the great proof of her difficulty in understanding human relationships in general (I’m not sure if due to some issue in the character’s past), how they work, and their usefulness in fostering emotional bonds... curiously, she uses the same behavioral patterns that alienated Ian to try to understand him and transform him into a "better and responsible" person... and I believe this is the main tragedy of her as a mother.

At current knowledge level Grace is the most detached character in the game, even more than Sophia and Kath. Sophia Lundgren is an eccentric with a highly abstracted and cerebral view on Life (and a major problem with social cues due to it), but that is a choice, she clearly acknowledges and feels emotions herself.
Kath is a hardcore sadist with a "naturally" following crippled and small emotional inventory, but the few emotions she is capable of experiencing, she does.
Grace on the other hand is emotionally deader than a zombie from "Army of Darkness", over the run of the game we learn from several sources how detached she is and how few love Ian received growing up. Vicki and Alice are more his mothers than Grace ever was.

 

[slightchance]

IDK. She's clearly become WAAAAAAAAAY submissive & quietly, cautiously whore-curious (her beloved and cherished mom's career likely in mind, as well), fluttering at the precipice 0f prostitution ever since watching MC flex with his utterly destroying the Carnations on stage before everyone, and she IMMEDIATELY chased the orgasmic bliss she saw take the competitors when he railed them.

How do you interpret the last scene where Hana, seemingly shocked, looks over to her dad and comments the situation with "Jesus Christ, Dad..."?

 

[Khan merry]

also just did kathleens bit and she too needs to get more content. Peak hag galore well done on the devs would also be kino if we can cuck her husband imo

why would you do judge hubby like that he seems like a sweet old man

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

I have updated my COMPRESSED post to Ch.4 Update 6 "Public" even though I do not think there are any "real" changes between EA and "Public".

 

[Ummmh]

How do you interpret the last scene where Hana, seemingly shocked, looks over to her dad and comments the situation with "Jesus Christ, Dad..."?

Kath crossed the line of bringing club business into wrecking a Carnation's PERSONAL life.

She only was able to get away with it because Elias is now a clubmember (she was to have been wet as hell bringing him in to the fold just to fk w/Felicia: while I'm sure he will be useful and was approved by the other members, his wife being up there, and his basically being cuckolded as a result, definitely was a main factor; keep in mind that that movie they were showing in the background of her would have included MC railing her in Elias's own office).

Otherwise, pretty sure it would've been off the table, both for the reason that the club wants to keep itself completely secret from outsiders, and because it's probably in the contract that they're not supposed to cross that boundary, although Kath definitely pushed the MC to fuck Rose in public at the park in her own neighborhood, IIRC. Keep in mind the porn video she made of Rose, with Rose's name written right on her, isn't actually being shared publicly, but only amongst club members, although it has to have been a pretty big scare for Rose.

So, yeah: both Hana and her dad are (in addition to being amazed at Kathleen managed to JUST dodge the rules) both aghast at how completely Kath managed to annihilate Felicia's ENTIRE life, instantaneously. Even if Feli wins, she loses, BADLY, unless some bright side silver lining is available. MC stepping up certainly will be a factor (unless the player is not following a path that supports her in which case she really is just fucked in every way: house girl status would probably follow her getting forcefully divorced by Elias if she loses, which is probably part of why he told her she has to win), although I somehow doubt that the team will let us get away with taking the gorgeous golden girl as our own to have and hold at the end of the game...

Late EDIT/PS...

It occurs to me now that Felicia ending up as a house girl would be the popped cherry on top of everything, considering she joined the competition (in which she, probably unknowingly was going to be repeatedly fucked by every last club member, and probably more than a few staff members, in week 3) to become/have the power and prestige of a club member, and be above it all.
She clearly never thought to instead be ruined, and end up endlessly humiliated, degraded, and fucked by the very club members she sought to hobnob with, being their toy for the next decade or two, if she loses and gets pre-nupped out of everything, so turns to spreading her legs for the club to make ends meet and maintain her expensive tastes.
She's obviously into extreme experiences, and is a determined survivor, so would dive in and probably adapt pretty quickly, but would utterly hate being back at square one after decades of humiliatingly whoring herself to the top

 

[Turret]

I have updated my COMPRESSED post to Ch.4 Update 6 "Public" even though I do not think there are any "real" changes between EA and "Public".

Well, one bug seems to remain. When Sophia talks to Edwin at home this text is displayed even if you chose to say nothing to Chuck!

I heard that this bug would be fixed in the public update. so once I updated with the public patch, I fired up a save from before the visit and where I never told Chuck about Abel and Sophia coming. But I still get the wrong passage. Do I have to start a new game or is the bug simply not fixed?

 

[Hiarus]

This is gonna come off as really scatter shot, but imma just yap

I can kinda see Edwin managing to solve Veronica's issue by needling the steroid junky in the last week, I could even imagine him managing to fix Felicia's issues if she doesn't win by building her confidence (I think her husband is a massive cuck that's probably gonna be mostly fine with her being a part of a sex club, he already knew she was unfaithful to him and as the other members said, her being there is pretty much what allowed him to get where he is, and, initial reaction aside, he seemed...subdued)

but the game has yet to get into how Rosie's issues are gonna get solved if she doesn't win the game, because i'm pretty sure that one loan shark dying or going to jail isn't gonna erase that debt

maybe that's the point though; couldn't help but to notice in a new replay that a good amount of the "mini-games" were slightly weighted towards her in terms of how many points she can get without losing any affection

 

[Ummmh]

This is gonna come off as really scatter shot, but imma just yap

I can kinda see Edwin managing to solve Veronica's issue by needling the steroid junky in the last week, I could even imagine him managing to fix Felicia's issues if she doesn't win by building her confidence (I think her husband is a massive cuck that's probably gonna be mostly fine with her being a part of a sex club, he already knew she was unfaithful to him and as the other members said, her being there is pretty much what allowed him to get where he is, and, initial reaction aside, he seemed...subdued)

but the game has yet to get into how Rosie's issues are gonna get solved if she doesn't win the game, because i'm pretty sure that one loan shark dying or going to jail isn't gonna erase that debt

maybe that's the point though; couldn't help but to notice in a new replay that a good amount of the "mini-games" were slightly weighted towards her in terms of how many points she can get without losing any affection

Rose's debt got taken over by the club so she ends up as a house girl if she doesn't win. That was pretty firmly established.

To be honest she'd probably be somewhat okay with that.

Even though it would bother her she would accept it as a way of keeping her daughter safe (since the club will likely mess with anyone who messes with her daughter, though they likely would hint that they wanted her daughter to join the house girls when she hits 18, and that would likely be a problem for Rose) , and it would be a steady source of what is probably damn good income (relative to anything else she could manage with her skill set), since it's clear the club gals are considered relatively elite prostitutes, so long as they keep doing what they're told.

Remember that our introduction to Rose was her debt was $22,000, which MC considered a small amount to sell herself over, but it was crushing to her because she just couldn't make that much. The whole story with Rose is she's just a housewife and was always a housewife. That puts a lot of limits on her.

It also ironically limits what Kathleen can do to her. The only angles Kath has with Rose are the fact that she occasionally drinks, she has a daughter thatKathleen has already joked about making into a Carnation when she gets older, and the fact that she did those scam calls. Actually she does have the potential for ruining her public life but that's supposed to be off the table and it's likely Kath would get busted for doing it. Otherwise, the only thing with Rose is she's got REALLY big cow tits.

[[retro edited to say club gals are prostitutes, not club members]]

 

[Turret]

but the game has yet to get into how Rosie's issues are gonna get solved if she doesn't win the game, because i'm pretty sure that one loan shark dying or going to jail isn't gonna erase that debt

Hi!
You have three tries to guess what happens to Rosi no matter if she wins or not. However the Oliver situation is solved, Rosi is now indebted to the Club, one way or the other. You can take poison on it that such a result was wished for by the Club leadership, so Rosi is kept working for the Club in the future.

 

[Hiarus]

Rose's debt got taken over by the club so she ends up as a house girl if she doesn't win.

That was pretty firmly established.

To be honest she probably be somewhat okay with that.
Even though it would bother her she would accept it as a way of keeping her daughter safe (since the club will definitely mess with anyone who messes with her daughter) and it would be a steady source of what is probably damn good income (relative to anything else she could manage with her skill set), since it's clear the club members are considered relatively elite prostitutes, so long as they keep doing what they're told.

Wait, really? Everytime I played I had enough affection from the old heads to get them to help "free of charge" so to speak, I probably missed a line or two mentioning that somewhere then.

I guess it makes sense though, Rose seems surprisingly pliant to actual sex (just the sex, none of the weird powerplay shit with people she doesn't know or the rubbing elbows with the rich aspect), and the story seems to be going for a "sex and kink isn't shameful, but certain people use it as a weapon, and that's where it gets fucked up" message, if the game really does end with the old guard passing off the torch, or dying, or Hana's claim of reforming the place rings true, I could see Rosie doing it willingly

 

[Ummmh]

Hi!
You have three tries to guess what happens to Rosi no matter if she wins or not. However the Oliver situation is solved, Rosi is now indebted to the Club, one way or the other. You can take poison on it that such a result was wished for by the Club leadership, so Rosi is kept working for the Club in the future.

Three guesses? Oddly coincidental with the number of orifices that she has to offer up.

Wait, really? Everytime I played I had enough affection from the old heads to get them to help "free of charge" so to speak, I probably missed a line or two mentioning that somewhere then.

Perhaps I didn't have the same factors but they took over the debt in my playthrough. IIRC they may even have mentioned it when she got introduced in this last scene right before the Elias Felicia reveal.

 

[SonsOfLiberty]

Well, one bug seems to remain. When Sophia talks to Edwin at home this text is displayed even if you chose to say nothing to Chuck!
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I heard that this bug would be fixed in the public update. so once I updated with the public patch, I fired up a save from before the visit and where I never told Chuck about Abel and Sophia coming. But I still get the wrong passage. Do I have to start a new game or is the bug simply not fixed?

I have no idea, maybe it's baked into the save, no clue honestly, maybe you should ping the developer since they seem to post here quite often and ask.

 

[slightchance]

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I meant more in the context of Hana warming up the club itself. IIRC her reaction in the last scene isn't flagged (there is no variation), so whatever she's seen or done up until this point doesn't count. How do you go from her reaction to the reveal to making her compliant again and willing to jump into the pit as well? She didn't enjoy what Kathleen and Chuck had come up with, that much is clear.

 

[Ummmh]

I meant more in the context of Hana warming up the club itself. IIRC her reaction in the last scene isn't flagged (there is no variation), so whatever she's seen or done up until this point doesn't count. How do you go from her reaction to the reveal to making her compliant again and willing to jump into the pit as well? She didn't enjoy what Kathleen and Chuck had come up with, that much is clear.

Kath controls the Carnations far more than she does the housegirls: different deal.

Housegirls have it rough in some ways, sure, but Kath totally destroyed Felicia's personal and professional life. Not the same league, to the extent even August is "WTF Kath" on it, despite having forewarning.

Hana might well still get a taste for the life, as she is evincing a heavy flirtation with it; tho some of that is likely lust for the dispassionate, skilled, and virile MC, it feels like the fantasy itself appeals to her.

She doubtless would avoid the worst of Kath's clutches by just never becoming a Carnation which would be in future years, anyway).

 

[ReservoirCreature]

Why did we all collectively decide to shorten Kathleen to Kath instead of Kathy like normal people?

 

[Ummmh]

Why did we all collectively decide to shorten Kathleen to Kath instead of Kathy like normal people?

Maybe my fault. Easier to type. Plus, I hate the name Kathy.

 

[Gab1]

God, there is just so many topics i could touch in this update but let me say, If Felicia wins she get the back up of the club, she would be standing in the same place as her husband, even if Elias divorces her he wont be able to do anything to her beyond that, and Kath knows it.

Now if she lose... divorce would be the last of her worries, even more, her family and close people would be in danger, since we dont know how far would Elias go.

So yeah, she is fucked up right now, she has to win or everything is over... but maybe there is another way she can get out of the situation and that is what is really interesting, right now i see 3 posibilities:

1. Being a housegirl: in which i am pretty sure the club protect them, beside we knows that work for the club isnt forever, once you gain what you are looking for you can stop being a house girl (at least daily, but we have saw with allison that they still own you after being gone), it could be that The same Kathleen convince Elias to let our blonde pay her punishment with work.

2. That Mc saves her: yeah this posibility is pretty real but... it would ruin anything they have, lately Edwin has becoming more and more important for the club, in this update we have seen how many of the most important members get close to him, i am pretty sure that if Mc talk with August and Chuck he can convince them to give her to him, But it would be like treating her as an object, it would destroy any self confident points she

 

[Ummmh]

God, there is just so many topics i could touch in this update but let me say, If Felicia wins she get the back up of the club, she would be standing in the same place as her husband, even if Elias divorces her he wont be able to do anything to her beyond that, and Kath knows it.

Now if she lose... divorce would be the last of her worries, even more, her family and close people would be in danger, since we dont know how far would Elias go.

So yeah, she is fucked up right now, she has to win or everything is over... but maybe there is another way she can get out of the situation and that is what is really interesting, right now i see 3 posibilities:

1. Being a housegirl: in which i am pretty sure the club protect them, beside we knows that work for the club isnt forever, once you gain what you are looking for you can stop being a house girl (at least daily, but we have saw with allison that they still own you after being gone), it could be that The same Kathleen convince Elias to let our blonde pay her punishment with work.

2. That Mc saves her: yeah this posibility is pretty real but... it would ruin anything they have, lately Edwin has becoming more and more important for the club, in this update we have seen how many of the most important members get close to him, i am pretty sure that if Mc talk with August and Chuck he can convince them to give her to him, But it would be like treating her as an object, it would destroy any self confident points she

Agreed on both, but remember that the story seems to be leaning the main character towards potentially trying to bring down aspects of the club so that could be a factor there.

Keep in mind..

if you didn't hang out with Hana after she got her new slut dress from Kath, but instead hung out with Felicia and semi-warned her what was going on, the two of you briefly discuss the hopeful hint of a possibility of her settling down with you if she loses. MC does say he believes she'll find her way to survive and even make money even if she loses, but they have that little ghost of a hint of a spark of a shared future of loving domesticity between them.

I don't personally think she'd marry the MC tho, with how she is now, as he doesn't "have $10 million dollars in his pocket": even though she's clearly smitten with him if you've been fuckng her this whole time and making the right dialogue choices, she's an inveterate and obsessive gold-digger, used to latching on to old men of wealth so she can maintain the high life, while paradoxically being a very independent woman. She might just see herself as a stupid failure (still hating her real self), and actually prefer to be a housegirl, if she loses.

That said, given that her stat to raise is self-confidence, I wonder if a possible outcome with Felicia is that she finally becomes confident enough in herself (who she's always been under the hood) that she finally no longer feels the need to hate the poor girl she was, and can stop identifying solely with how rich and powerful she can become.

THAT might let her be content to just settle down and become the artist she always wanted to be, possibly with her eventually-only-semi-affluent doctor husband (MC).

I don't think that's a likely outcome, tho, unless you line everything up with her: a possibility but not a probability.

IMO, She either wins and maintains her own wealth somehow with her new connections and decides to keep the MC on retainer as her personal whore/fuckboy (unless he says no and ends that arrangement), or she loses all the way and ends up an ass up tits out full service house girl, only occasionally getting fucked by the MC whenever he gets a rare chance to peel her away from the old toads she rides and sucks every day.

 

[Lusurbur]

why would you do judge hubby like that he seems like a sweet old man

No one is safe from a cuckening....not from my edwin no sir...

 

[shroomify]

I'm on a new play through with 4.6 usually after the reveal of Killion's mom blackmail of MC's Mom the next morning he agrees to go with to see MC's mom. For some reason in this play through begs off and doesn't go. Also there is no scene in the hallway where he wants to crush his mom. Any idea what triggers these events?
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Thx