VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[Kameri]

This forum is full of games where some 20 something dudes sexually harass their moms/sisters while they sleep. And they never wake up!

fair enough

 

[dolfe67]

They will certainly wait for Felicia to wake up to do anything with her, first because the game is not that explicitly dark despite the setting, and then because Kath wants to enjoy Felicia struggling while she's fully aware

 

[Gary Busey Pet Detective]

TD1900 delivers when it comes to eccentricity. And that is one reason why I asked so consistently for a romance path Edwin/Sophia. Worming your way into the eccentric heart of Sophia Lundren is a refreshingly different path to take when it comes to LIs. The story also shows that Edwin and Sophia can click well together. So I sincerly hope that we get a route through Pale Carnations where those two become a couple in the end.

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i think what you wrote here is exactly what I’m hoping for in a Kath route albeit under different circumstances considering the differences between her and Sophia
Whether that would make her a main girl or a side girl I don’t know

 

[helo138]

I'm sure she will get it eventually


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I wouldn´t call it demoted. PC always featured only 5 main girls or main love interests. Kathleen has her own section in the gallery due to her place in the story and the large number of lewd scenes she gets (at least I hope so). I am not entirely sure why TD and Gil decided to put her into the side girl poll instead of the main girl one. Due to her "unique" character, she will get destroyed anyhow, just consider she lost to 4 girls in the poll, including Andrea a likeable background character featured in only one lewd scene across the entire game right now. It is a popularity contest, and Kathleen won´t ever win any of those.

 

[UmbralKnight]

He pursued Mina and Hana.
He dated Felicia before and after he discovered she was the third carnation.
He decided to help Veronica.
He started investigating about Darius.
He helped Rosalind with the loan shark.
He questioned Uncle Chuck's deeds.
He informed Ian and Hana about everything he found out and his doubts.
He helped Jacob's "girlfriend".

I never said he didn't possibly do any of those

So, what the hell do you want from him?

to leave the club ASAP probably by end of week 4 as the games come to an end
that was the entire premise of my previous post
because why else would you want the MC to stick around unless you play as an MC who either loves being part of the club or one who is trying to pull a coup against the current establishment

Edwin has been hired by uncle Chuck as a club employee - as long as he works for the club, Chuck is paying Edwin's college tuition too.

Edwin has neither been a lackey nor an empathetic sponge. Not at all.

chuck does recruit the MC with promise of funding his education but MC works directly under kathy not chuck and yes that makes him a lackey of Kathy by default whether he remains one is upto him through the choices you make

and remember when MC was recruited by kathy
she primarily wanted him to stick around help during the carnation games
she herself says that it's the most important part of the year and they could manage rest of the year just fine and he isn't exactly needed as much after that

 

[ffive]

They will certainly wait for Felicia to wake up to do anything with her, first because the game is not that explicitly dark despite the setting, and then because Kath wants to enjoy Felicia struggling while she's fully aware

Yeah, i think the main reason you don't have to worry about it isn't whether the game is "dark enough", but Kat simply isn't going to pass up opportunity to savor Felicia experiencing things in full.

 

[Idontplay]

to leave the club ASAP probably by end of week 4 as the games come to an end
that was the entire premise of my previous post
because why else would you want the MC to stick around unless you play as an MC who either loves being part of the club or one who is trying to pull a coup against the current establishment

Do you understand that his presence in the club is the reason for the existence of this game and that there isn't any life for the character, after the game's end?

 

[ffive]

chuck does recruit the MC with promise of funding his education but MC works directly under kathy not chuck and yes that makes him a lackey of Kathy by default whether he remains one is upto him through the choices you make

Whoever MC responds to directly doesn't change the nature of his contract, which is his college expenses are covered while he remains a hire at the club. By quitting early he forfeits the very thing that made him participate and put up with all this shit in the first place.

"Most important part of the year" doesn't mean there isn't work to be done and whores to manage during the remaining, "less important" part.

(this is also the basic reason Edwin might want to stay, instead of the nebulous "he loves the club/he wants to burn it down")

 

[Laxus007]

How tall is Veronica? I think she is around 190cm

 

[BOZZU]

Hey, buddy, Pale Carnations has been updated to Ch4Up6 Public. You can update the Android version now. I'm really looking forward to the Android version—please do it! Thank you so much!!! (My English isn't great, so please forgive any unclear expressions.)

Android port for Ch.4 Up.6 EA is available here.

 

[Ummmh]

There's a bit of a dichotomy that isn't quite shown but a huge issue with this that doesn't change anything about what you said and makes it deeper: Old money vs new money.

If you're OLD money, you have entrenched views on society which can then turn you into a major, extreme, self righteous prick that makes you insufferable as a noble in said society. That's Kathleen. Judge for a husband, always been higher class, etc.

For Elias, he's NEW money. Inheritance is a part of it. He's running a studio business, so at the very least, he's needing to see how someone lives. New money is Silicon Valley, Hollywood (though that's old now), and game businesses just as an example. You aren't railroad, oil, or insurance. You're the newest industry going which has millionaires and billionaires pop up outside the system. That's why Elias can be very unique because his background links up in certain ways to a lower class. And of course, remember Felicia's background. She started from the bottom.

Now she's here.

Apologies for late response.

New money is actually often more vicious SPECIFICALLY because it is new: it is the original greedy fk who wanted more money than God, and was willing to do any evil deed to get it.

Inheritors are not innately so greedy, tho they will carry some of the stamp. This is, I suspect, part of Elias's personality.

Properly old money (more than just 2 or 3 generations, so has an experiential insulator built in) does often have an entrenched class divide built in, but can also bring a sense of "noblesse oblige" with it. It was exactly this which had FDR (a 5th gen) so socially focused, he was accused by his detractors of being communist, despite his actually saving capitalism from overthrow with his efforts, and being the guy who broke up the Bonus Army protest camp with tanks.

You really think she would snub a guy with "just" couple millions when the alternative is literal decades of getting exploited and fucked at a brothel with nothing to show for it? *

NGL, it feels like a pretty wild take. "If i can't dine at 5-star restaurant i'd rather eat shit from dog bowl than have regular, 4-star meals".

*) not like this is actually a serious alternative in the first place. Unlike other Carnations, Felicia didn't join the contest because she was in dire straits financially. Similarly, if she doesn't win it's not like she owes the club anything or needs their assistance. She can go and do anything else with her life, whether this is looking for a millionaire to charm or a basic job and taking up painting in her spare time.

Again, apologies for late response.

Yes, it is wild, but so is Fel. She is a VERY irrational individual prone to highly emotional decisions, despite her pragmatism.

Consider: she knew enough abt the club and competition (despite full disclosure apparently not really being given) to realize she would be humiliated in front of, and probably fucked by, the very misogynist social clique she intended to join as an equal. Does that make ANY kind of sense to you? She made a MONUMENTALLY unwise decision in signing up with that specific goal in mind.

Fel is a little girl permanently FRANTICALLY and OBSESSIVELY running FROM HERSELF, to become a glowing golden image of always-increasing wealth, status, and general success: an image ultimately measured by her being able to live the highest of the high life, but with the built-in caveat that "enough" is still never enough to feel safe from the memory of her past endlessly haunting just a step behind her, so with a neurotic kneejerk response to anything that could drag her backwards on her fearful flight from her impoverished childhood. Even her massive infatuation w/the MC (if he's been doing her right) isn't enough to derail that monomaniac train; tho she clearly recognizes him as a possible future of bliss for her, she still can't bring herself to jump the tracks.

If she fails, and loses it ALL, she won't just be facing a reduction in wealth (in fact, she will certainly still have more than most folks; almost guaranteed she will still be a low-lvl millionaire, despite pre-nups and Elias likely having much better lawyers) but she will be seeing herself as an abject failure for having wasted a decade or more of degredation, humiliation, and repression of her own person, just to end up back where she was from likely even earlier than when she met Elias, as her social circle will get reduced once he starts distancing himself from her.

Again, she makes EMOTIONAL decisions based on her neurosis. She may well decide she deserves whatever is coming/cumming for her, should she fail, as she may then see herself as being a loser who never really escaped being that poor little girl she so hates herself for having been. If she loses, and is back at near square one (more like square 3 or 4, but she might not see it that way), it will be a fight between her pragmatism, and her self-hatred telling herself she was always just lying to herself, and that she deserves whatever she gets. Do NOT expect 100% rational decisions from our girl, if that happens.

Add to this, the specter of ending up as house girls is seemingly dangled for all girls in game, so never count that fate out.

 

[pinuz1]

TD and GIL have done a great job over the past three game weeks of getting players to empathize with the Carnations, and now they can take full advantage of the emotions of those players who like them all or any of them.

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

This is one of my favorite aspects of this game, Edwin is like a key component for the exhibition, he has to get close to the Carnations and manage all 3, and at this point I love them all, but at the same time it's not like he's important enough to stop anything from happening, you help the girls be part a of this game that hurts them in many ways, while also not having much power to stop it from happening. It's cruel but also brilliant.

The dichotomy of the MC, and the players, the ones who want to embrace the club and the others who want to burn it down, is kinda hard to manage. Good luck to the devs.

Not just that but players like me I just want to see a happy ending for all 3 Carnations, but I don't necessarily want to burn down the club, then there's psychos out there who want all 3 to end up as whores and suffer, I really wonder how much variety there will be when it comes to the endings.

 

[Discrepancy]

Not just that but players like me I just want to see a happy ending for all 3 Carnations, but I don't necessarily want to burn down the club, then there's psychos out there who want all 3 to end up as whores and suffer, I really wonder how much variety there will be when it comes to the endings.

I really doubt a truly happy ending is in the cards for any of them, gladly to be proven wrong in the future by TD though
I'm hoping for a bittersweet ending for all the characters, having their problems solved but still being affected by all that went through in the club.
I don't want the club to end, but hoping for Hana and her dad to make it a bit less exploitative for all the people involved. Like more willing participants like Felicia and less like Rose and Veronica (still I think those last two are starting to enjoy parts of the debauchery there )

 

[Darreau91]

How tall is Veronica? I think she is around 190cm

I think she is rather short, 5 ft 6 ,since she is about the same height as Warren the king of hobbits. Shorter people can bulk up easier while being natty since the fandom is leaning towards non roid usage.

Another reason would be large peoples wouldn’t be getting a contact high from perfume with a couple of whiffs. They have more mass to absorb larger amount of chemicals and would need to bask in the Sophia stench to get messed up.

So, yeah, I’m theorizing PC is a kinky fanfiction about Hobbits in a modern world with shaving cream .

 

[lustforsex]

Not just that but players like me I just want to see a happy ending for all 3 Carnations, but I don't necessarily want to burn down the club, then there's psychos out there who want all 3 to end up as whores and suffer, I really wonder how much variety there will be when it comes to the endings.

I really doubt a truly happy ending is in the cards for any of them, gladly to be proven wrong in the future by TD though
I'm hoping for a bittersweet ending for all the characters, having their problems solved but still being affect by all that went through in the club.
I don't want the club to end, but hoping for Hana and her dad to make it a bit less exploitative for all the people involved. Like more willing participants like Felicia and less like Rose and Veronica (still I think those last two are starting to enjoy parts of the debauchery there )

I also doubt it's possible for everyone to get a happy ending, and frankly, as much as I'd like one, it's unlikely to be in the style of PC. We're not in a typical incest harem game, after all

Wait, you're telling me there won't be incest with my favorite LI, Victoria, in this game? Devs, I'm so, so disappointed in you... Can't we at least make Mina a house girl? Please, please

I think movies, games, stories, and so on are more memorable when things don't end as well as hoped. In principle, it would be possible to have an ending where, say, Edwin "saved" everyone, but he couldn't pull through.

That's just me thinking out loud, but we mustn't forget that there's still a whole game week ahead, plus an epilogue. We still have to live to see that, and I think the wait will be worth it

 

[Ungawa]

Apologies for late response.

New money is actually often more vicious SPECIFICALLY because it is new: it is the original greedy fk who wanted more money than God, and was willing to do any evil deed to get it.

Inheritors are not innately so greedy, tho they will carry some of the stamp. This is, I suspect, part of Elias's personality.

Properly old money (more than just 2 or 3 generations, so has an experiential insulator built in) does often have an entrenched class divide built in, but can also bring a sense of "noblesse oblige" with it. It was exactly this which had FDR (a 5th gen) so socially focused, he was accused by his detractors of being communist, despite his actually saving capitalism from overthrow with his efforts, and being the guy who broke up the Bonus Army protest camp with tanks.

Yes, there can be a sense of the noblesse oblige in old money, no question. BUT. Kathleen is right there and her good side (being her sister) died off, showing that money can give into the vices of those it pulls in.

Even then, remember that Chuck made his money through government wetwork. Technically, he's new money

With the game being about opposites, Elias is based on the opposite of Chuck in a few capacities and they're direct mirrors. Chuck cares about those around him, Elias is aloof. Chuck is vicious to his enemies, with Elias being at least cordial.

With both, we see the two sides of the coin the game is built on. No easy answers at all. Just more complexity as the game moves forward.

 

[ruby_rubicon]

I think movies, games, stories, and so on are more memorable when things don't end as well as hoped. In principle, it would be possible to have an ending where, say, Edwin "saved" everyone, but he couldn't pull through.

"... 10 years later, after the last carnation stopped answering Edwin's messages, one could still find him drinking alone in the bar, never wanting to talk about the past, but always playing this song in the jukebox."

"All we ever wanted was everything" by Bauhaus starts playing. Credits - and tears- roll.

Or just simply rename it to Pale Carnations - It did end in tears.

 

[Turret]

I really doubt a truly happy ending is in the cards for any of them, gladly to be proven wrong in the future by TD though
I'm hoping for a bittersweet ending for all the characters, having their problems solved but still being affected by all that went through in the club.
I don't want the club to end, but hoping for Hana and her dad to make it a bit less exploitative for all the people involved. Like more willing participants like Felicia and less like Rose and Veronica (still I think those last two are starting to enjoy parts of the debauchery there )

I also doubt it's possible for everyone to get a happy ending, and frankly, as much as I'd like one, it's unlikely to be in the style of PC. We're not in a typical incest harem game, after all

Wait, you're telling me there won't be incest with my favorite LI, Victoria, in this game? Devs, I'm so, so disappointed in you... Can't we at least make Mina a house girl? Please, please

I think movies, games, stories, and so on are more memorable when things don't end as well as hoped. In principle, it would be possible to have an ending where, say, Edwin "saved" everyone, but he couldn't pull through.

That's just me thinking out loud, but we mustn't forget that there's still a whole game week ahead, plus an epilogue. We still have to live to see that, and I think the wait will be worth it

I estimate that the we will see some bad endings for paths where we fucked up along the way, one or two epilogues which are "neutral", with good and bad things having happened in near equal amounts and a couple HEA endings, but with an "extra", representing the marks left by the events surrounding the club. They´ll be happy, but the experience of the club will have changed them.

For example, let us take Feli. She might be with the MC, free or maybe with Elias, upheavals like this can make or break a relationship, they might find out they fit better than they both believed, but the psychological trauma from the events at PC will be massive and will take time to heal.

Or Ian. He might turn his life onto a good way, becoming a history teacher/prof., being with Mina again, Victoria or someone surprising, but do you believe that his relations with his family will ever recover? I cannot see it currently. Bsides taking down Chuck, who mentored him for years, will also leave marks.

 

[Ozymandias037]

This forum is full of games where some 20 something dudes sexually harass their moms/sisters while they sleep. And they never wake up!

Sister Sleep Sex Simulator 4 is still my favorite!

Do you understand that his presence in the club is the reason for the existence of this game and that there isn't any life for the character, after the game's end?

Of course he has a life after the game ends. They all do. We just probably won't get to see much (or perhaps any) of it.

 

[ename144]

I also doubt it's possible for everyone to get a happy ending, and frankly, as much as I'd like one, it's unlikely to be in the style of PC. We're not in a typical incest harem game, after all

Wait, you're telling me there won't be incest with my favorite LI, Victoria, in this game? Devs, I'm so, so disappointed in you... Can't we at least make Mina a house girl? Please, please

I think movies, games, stories, and so on are more memorable when things don't end as well as hoped. In principle, it would be possible to have an ending where, say, Edwin "saved" everyone, but he couldn't pull through.

That's just me thinking out loud, but we mustn't forget that there's still a whole game week ahead, plus an epilogue. We still have to live to see that, and I think the wait will be worth it

Maybe, but I find those sort of semi-tragic endings tend to be less enjoyable in practice than they appear to be on paper. Then again, I'm a big softy so I suspect I'll be rather sad if there's no way to get a happy ending for everyone (Kathleen and some of the other Club characters not included, if we want to get technical).

Of course, it may depend on what we mean by happy. My threshold is simply that the characters would be in a position to move forward to better things. That may be tricky to adjudicate, though. Consider, for example, an ending where Felicia abandons her dreams of being a wealthy socialite (be it as a wife or as an information broker) but instead puts her other talents to use in more direct ways (as an artist, manager or something similar). I'd consider that a plausible happy ending, but I'm not sure Felicia herself would agree with my take - and depending on how it was presented, either of us could be right.

Basically, I want an ending where, assuming we make the right choices, the events of the game can be counted as a net plus for all the main girls (again, excluding Kathleen but let's include Ian for good measure). But that's always going to depend on how you tally up the pluses and minuses of the experience. For now, I'll just keep waiting with my fingers crossed.