VN Ren'Py Pale Carnations [Ch.4 Up.6 Public] [Mutt & Jeff]

[AL.d]

It's funny how people say shit like "my personal definition". Like the site (and every other before it) doesn't have a clearly established definition already.

"Hey, I know this term has a clear definition, but I don't like it so I will make my own and bitch about it"

It's like these people can't even grasp wtf "definition" means. Maybe they have their personal one for that too

 

[UncleFredo]

It's funny how people say shit like "my personal definition". Like the site (and every other before it) doesn't have a clearly established definition already.

"Hey, I know this term has a clear definition, but I don't like it so I will make my own and bitch about it"

It's like these people can't even grasp wtf "definition" means. Maybe they have their personal one for that too

Some/many people find sexual scenes between an LI and some male other than the MC boring and or off putting, so they lump any of those into NTR. While I'm disinterested in such scenes, I fully recognize that many of them are NOT NTR pretty much by any definition. On that basis I kind of like the notion of an OCTRA tag, the presence or lack there of would clarify things for all concerned. Not that I think there is the remotest chance in hell of us getting such a tag.

 

[ddaisy]

Aww there's a new loading screen. I'll miss your milkbags in the center, Rosie.

 

[ExMachinaEV]

But please explain to me what is NTR then, as for me there is. You get to see girls you get to fuck having sex with other dudes in this game.

Because it is ...

 

[selberdreher]

It was pretty frustrating to be locked out of 2 separate Veronica choices for not having the rapport I thought I'd been developing. I feel like those requirements are a tad high, and I don't really feel like replaying the entire game to get them.
Especially when I've been doing the legwork to do her quest, It just feels hollow to be locked out of concern towards her.

In what I felt was a reasonably pro-veronica save. I had 16 affection and 14 horniness.
Frustratingly, I can't salvage this at the end of the night either, because the friendship option is greyed out too.

Ah, yeah. I went around and around on what number would be appropriate there. It can be hard to get a good feel of what is reasonably achievable in a blind play through (which is usually my aim for these things) given all the options in the game.

Spoiler: Affection number required for the big Veronica choice

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I'd be interested in hearing how many other people found that threshold prohibitively too high.

After playing the public release i am finally able to catch up and i am currently screening through 25+ thread pages since the leak of the beta-version a week ago. So bear with me if i am answering to half-necroed issues which are already settled.

Regarding Spamwises frustration about not meeting the required affection score to hug Veronica:

I ended update 3.3 in what i felt was a not very pro-veronica save with 13 affection and 13 horniness. I even opted for the infamous choice which gives her whopping -4 to her affection and at least one other choice which gave -2 affection. So that is that.
However if we assume a blind playthrough there are indeed a lot of choices (i counted 9 of them in the 3.2 walkthrough) where you can loose -1 affection instead of gaining any, some of them rather counterintuitive because Veronica is a complicated woman and these can of course add up. While it is relatively easy to gain affection with Mina and lets say Hana by just not being a prick, one need to be much smarter with Vero, because lip service, giving random compliments or being handsy without the needed trust/affection will backfire on her.

So while i am generally onboard with the 22 affection threshold for the ensuing friendship after the hug (? not quite sure about that, because i obviously missed it), it is imho worth considering to lower the threshold for the actual hug to something like 16 or 18 and reward it with like +2 affection, checking the total afterwards and so lowering the effective score for her friendship to 20.
After reading some other comments, i feel like the majority of those about this issue are fine with the threshold as it is.

Also i want to thank and congratulate both GIL3D and TD1900 on completing another fine piece of work in their exploration of this tale and its characters!

 

[selberdreher]

It's essay time. Very, very long thoughts ahead.

Spoiler: Overall sentiments about the update

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Spoiler: On Rosalind

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Spoiler: On Veronica

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Spoiler: On Felicia

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Spoiler: Miscellaneous thoughts and Hana

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That was...a lot, but it feels good to pick my own brain like this. It speaks to the quality of the content; I don't go off writing essays analyzing just any game. Much thanks again to TD and GIL for creating an immersive story and agonizingly human characters. Really, really looking forward to the next update now that the exhibition is out of the way and we can focus on the character drama some more.

What a great synopsis for a great game. Hats off for a concise, well-founded and insightful analysis of the characters presented in this update. To be honest i am jealous not being able to articulate my thoughts about them on your level. Perhaps i can try to add some of my views later, after i read more of the remaining thread.
Thanks for sharing this "essay"!

 

[King-Daddy]

I Think Honey Select 2 by Illusion

its for sure an Ilusion game. This is one of the few games taht use Ilusion models, that i realy like

 

[DisabledAccount1110202308]

Pale Carnations [CH3UP4- Public] WT Mod (LunarMist & seigram )

Updated seigram's Pale Carnations Mod to CH3UP4

Spoiler: Installation

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Note: I have updated seigram 's mod since he/she is MIA.
Note2:Since I have continued seigram 's mod which used images,
On some of the choices the images and text were overlapping,
that's why some choices have v-space(vertical space)
between the choice and the image so that it will be easier to read.
Note3:Here Linked is a Walkthrough By MrBubu for getting various paths and scenes
WalkThroughByMrBubu
Note4 :Fixed some of the bugs I could find(there might be some so please message me about it.) and updated to the public version.
If anyone has any Problems with the Mod feel free to Message Me

Download:

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Hey, thanks for the mod! Just wanted to let you know, your mod does not show the new/bug-fixed content that comes with the Public Release. I downloaded the mod from the attachment file in this post, and installed it correctly, but the content is the same as it was for the leaked version. Without the mod, I'm able to see the Kathleen ending for the update, and the bug-fixes and corrections.

 

[Ive-11]

in this new update, any new sex scene mc with all girls except rosaline? i meant vaginal/anal sex scene
or just new bdsm with veron or kath?

 

["CJ"LongDong]

Pale Carnations [CH3UP4- Public] WT Mod (LunarMist & seigram )

Updated seigram's Pale Carnations Mod to CH3UP4

Spoiler: Installation

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Note: I have updated seigram 's mod since he/she is MIA.
Note2:Since I have continued seigram 's mod which used images,
On some of the choices the images and text were overlapping,
that's why some choices have v-space(vertical space)
between the choice and the image so that it will be easier to read.
Note3:Here Linked is a Walkthrough By MrBubu for getting various paths and scenes
WalkThroughByMrBubu
Note4 :Fixed some of the bugs I could find(there might be some so please message me about it.) and updated to the public version.
If anyone has any Problems with the Mod feel free to Message Me

Download:

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And my posts got edited in the past for spamming by excessive use of BB code
or in short for being too colorful???​

 

[zwp2729356503]

Is there a Android version?？？？

 

[runz]

Is there a Android version?？？？

Gotta wait for a while for that

 

[Lunarmist]

Hey, thanks for the mod! Just wanted to let you know, your mod does not show the new/bug-fixed content that comes with the Public Release. I downloaded the mod from the attachment file in this post, and installed it correctly, but the content is the same as it was for the leaked version. Without the mod, I'm able to see the Kathleen ending for the update, and the bug-fixes and corrections.

Damn Had to rewrite the whole thing to the new version but hopefully has cleared up all the bugs(Tested,Worked for me)

 

[sunaboz]

Valeriyo
I would like to address this part of your review:

(...) You will not like it if you looking for wholesome moments. You will not like it if you look for Harem. You will not like it if you look for romance and you also will not like it if you think you can keep your LI (singular) from taking part in the Adult establishment. (...)

The word "wholesome" seems to be overused and looking for scenes like these in a game set in a brothel seems silly to me (although the game does have scenes that could be described as such, even in the newest update). And while there is no harem here, we can have sex with most characters (female of course) that we encounter and pursue more than one character romantically (more than two even, not sure how far it can go but for now it's true).

As for LI (not sure why you've emphasized "singular" when we can have multiple), depending on who it is we can keep them from taking part in debauchery, although considering the brothel setting it should be obvious what you can expect. But yeah, I find it hilarious that people here will read the description (where it's explicitly stated that it's a brothel setting, full of debauchery and "cruel erotic games") and then ask "does it have NTR?" (by which they don't mean what they think it means, instead they're asking if this being a brothel game all girls will be exclusive to us)...

Maybe devs should include a FAQ in the OP (with a link to this post and this one), albeit seeing comprehension skills of some it wouldn't help that much.

 

[fakitm8]

Valeriyo
I would like to address this part of your review:

The word "wholesome" seems to be overused and looking for scenes like these in a game set in a brothel seems silly to me (although the game does have scenes that could be described as such, even in the newest update). And while there is no harem here, we can have sex with most characters (female of course) that we encounter and pursue more than one character romantically (more than two even, not sure how far it can go but for now it's true).

As for LI (not sure why you've emphasized "singular" when we can have multiple), depending on who it is we can keep them from taking part in debauchery, although considering the brothel setting it should be obvious what you can expect. But yeah, I find it hilarious that people here will read the description (where it's explicitly stated that it's a brothel setting, full of debauchery and "cruel erotic games") and then ask "does it have NTR?" (by which they don't mean what they think it means, instead they're asking if this being a brothel game all girls will be exclusive to us)...

Maybe devs should include a FAQ in the OP (with a link to this post and this one), albeit seeing comprehension skills of some it wouldn't help that much.

legit expecting others to read is too much tbh

 

[moeseph123]

Hi, I just downloaded the updated. My save files seem to have an issue- I keep getting the below error anytime I try to load a save. Any suggestions?
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 273, in script
python:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 273, in script
python:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 275, in <module>
renpy.call_in_new_context(_restart[2])
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
renpy.load(fn)
Exception: Couldn't find a place to stop rolling back. Perhaps the script changed in an incompatible way?

 

[TM | Twisted Games]

Valeriyo
I would like to address this part of your review:

The word "wholesome" seems to be overused and looking for scenes like these in a game set in a brothel seems silly to me (although the game does have scenes that could be described as such, even in the newest update). And while there is no harem here, we can have sex with most characters (female of course) that we encounter and pursue more than one character romantically (more than two even, not sure how far it can go but for now it's true).

As for LI (not sure why you've emphasized "singular" when we can have multiple), depending on who it is we can keep them from taking part in debauchery, although considering the brothel setting it should be obvious what you can expect. But yeah, I find it hilarious that people here will read the description (where it's explicitly stated that it's a brothel setting, full of debauchery and "cruel erotic games") and then ask "does it have NTR?" (by which they don't mean what they think it means, instead they're asking if this being a brothel game all girls will be exclusive to us)...

Maybe devs should include a FAQ in the OP (with a link to this post and this one), albeit seeing comprehension skills of some it wouldn't help that much.

Looking for 'wholesome' in porn in general is something that I find interesting, lol.

 

[sunaboz]

legit expecting others to read is too much tbh

Yup, especially since we're playing Visual Novels.

BTW, it's also funny to me that people will waste time on asking some stupid questions on the forum instead of playing the game and checking it themselves. Since it is a VN, playing one even from start to finish doesn't take that long, it's not Planescape Torment or Age of Decadence or Fallout New Vegas. And if one would skim through to see what's it about he could do it in a couple of minutes. Considering it's one of the highest rated games here, it's a risk most should be willing to take.

And in the first place, if someone is playing VN (and erotic ones at that) he clearly has too much time on his hands.

 

[Ranting Old Man]

No offense, but this is part of the problem. There is no 'personal' definition of NTR anymore than there is a personal definition of 'anal sex' they are words which have actual meanings.

Spot on. What's Sad is even though this is true many still get it wrong.

NTR has a specific meaning, roughly, "the action to steal a loved one". It gets a visceral response from people because it requires there to be something real (love, loyalty, trust) relationship that can be destroyed. In the end LI tramples on relationship and prefers the interloper even if sexual relationship had begun on dubious grounds (rape, blackmail etc.). It's not the sense of betrayal that gives the oomph to the emotional punch(though it's required), it's the hit to the self esteem, implication that you never made your partner trully happy despite your "love", "loyalty" and/or "personal sacrifice". What really mattered was sexual prowess and you were never good enough. In fact you were so incompetent that your loved prefers a disgusting rapist bastard over you (I am exaggerating for effect). That is what NTR is. It sows seeds of doubt that no relationship no matter how perfect they are can be secure if one is not a sex god. It feeds on tiny dick energy. Insecurities, inferiority complexes, etc.

More or less true. They don't actually have to be a loved one however. NTR started in Shojo Manga far before it had an inpact on the adult world. All that really matters is that person A is suffering because they perceive that person B is being taken away from them by person C. So they can basically just have a crush on their best friend and that person enters a relationship, that can be NTR. Or a person can watch their favorite Manga get sold to another studio and they make the protagonist asexual after establishing a high sex drive. This again technically can be told into an NTR story.

Not even remotely accurate. They don't need to just flat out trample on your feelings, oftentimes they are having mixed feelings as well, sometimes they are trying to have the best from both worlds, and other times they are literally traumatized by what happened and completely and emotionally shut off. Perfering, acknowledging and even having relations aren't a requirement at all. They do help plot especially for adult literature but aren't required.

NTR doesn't require her to leave you at all, or ever enjoy being raped and she can easily despise her rapist. NTR don't even require her to cheat or be raped at all. All that's required is character A preserving that's what's happening.

NTR isn't a fetish, it isn't even a genre, it's simply a plot device that's used to evoke an emotional reaction. If an unintended emotional reaction is evoked, chances are it still isn't NTR but rather instead someone whom just can't handle Adult based themes and lives far from reality. If the intention is to cause a reaction and it doesn't, then it's likely shitty writing, not actually NTR or so mind numbingly stupid that it literally hurts to think about.

Most people think of NTR as a fetish, it isn't. It isn't a fetish. It's a story device that's actually so common that most people aren't even aware that's what they are witnessesing. Many movies, TV shows, video games and songs have been including NTR as a basic story plot device for years, such as the Simpsons, they have several NTR plot episodes. Such as the Episode, "The New Kid on the Block" in fact NTR wasn't ever really used as bluntly until the Bezerker Manga, this is a prime example of what i mean by, your rapist doesn't even need to be acknowledged. She flat out, forgets EVERYTHING and still ends up in love with Guts, BUT! It did have that emotional reaction that was intended, that was good NTR it worked because of how well everything was build up and how well it was executed.

Now back on Track, there is alot more to it but I'm not going into all of that here, so let's stick with what we know MC is character A, any of the girls are character B and any of the other guys are now character C.

Is any of the women taken away from the MC by his perception in a way that is ment to and does cause an emotional response by any of the make characters? Currently the answer is No. Nothing of the sort has happened. Because MC is well aware of what circumstances the others are in and therefore isn't surprised by anything going on, can this change? Maybe i guess NTR could be added later on but i have a hard time thinking that it will be the story isn't really geared in that direction.

That being said, if you can't stand the sight of seeing a female character with anyone other than the MC, even if she is never going to truly be a love interest, then this game isn't for you and i recommend either WMV or My New Family, were you are safe from any other guy getting laid anywhere what's so ever.

Chow.

 

[e250vhf22]

Spot on. What's Sad is even though this is true many still get it wrong.
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I don't treat BSS sub genre (but i liked her first) as proper NTR setup. And in general, if relationship survives and B stays with A and prefers A keeps despising C then what the fuck is getting stolen? How is B getting taken away in that scenario? It's just cheating. "Audience feels bad so it's NTR" approach is why we have this problem here in the first place. But I am not gonna argue on this any further. I see your point still I disagree with your conclusion.