VN Ren'Py Completed Pandora's Box [v1.0] [Void Star]

[defd©™]

is the ntr avoidable or not ?

this game is not for you.
avoiding ntr will cause a boring story and will lose a lot of great sex scenes

 

[defd©™]

In order to play this game in the best way here is my suggestions:
1) use Unren to extract RPA files option 1
2) use the transparence mod
3) download the textbox file that I have made

I suggest this only for respect the renders work of the dev

you will be able to see the full renders without use "H" to hide the original textbox that cober about 45% of the screen.

this is the result

 

[Amahl Farouk]

I almost did not give enough shits about your post to answer, but yours was one of my first today and I though I would humor myself.

Who do you think you are to try and tell other people who they should or should not support? Obviously, none of the Patreons agree with your statement. What fucking standard are you using? This Guy gives very regular updates and I personally like my mix of games to have some: shorter regular updates (every 2 weeks or monthly), medium updates with more content (every 2 months or so), Long updates with a lot of content (every 3-6 months or so)

This game have very regular updates, with decent amount of content with very good quality models and renders for each update, so please get out of here with your nonsense. You obviously don't know what you are talking about, so stop spewing garbage.

I think you need to re-read what he wrote, once more time, and then climb off your high horse and give it some hay.

For your convenience, here is his text

"The fact the developer is actually getting paid for monthly updates this short legitimately bothers me tbh. If I was a Patron (as I am for a few other devs whose updates are worth the money), I'd be furious."

Perfect use of second conditional, talking about a hypothetical situation, and what would be his response in that situation

He expressed dissatisfaction, stating the reasons for that dissatisfaction and you have disagreed. Why not just limit your comments to that fact, rather than injecting invective into it? It shows an unhealthy degree of entitlement to speak to someone that way. Your opinion, while clearly of great importance to you, has no greater merit than his.

The renders are of a very high quality as you say, but his case can be reasonably argued too - that other devs can produce a far higher level of output while maintaining the same standards, which i think is the main thrust of what the gentleman was saying. WVM for example, which produces pretty much the same amount of content but on a weekly basis.

But then this is the internet, and people often rip into people in ways they would never do if face to face.

Bye then, don't forget to feed that horse now!

 

[boulimanus]

In order to play this game in the best way here is my suggestions:
1) use Unren to extract RPA files option 1
2) use the transparence mod
3) download the textbox file that I have made

you will be able to see the full renders without use "H" to hide the original textbox that cober about 45% of the screen.

That sounds good but a lot of effort for an option already implemented by the dev.
Still good to know for other games that may benefit from it.

 

[Chaosborn]

this game is not for you.
avoiding ntr will cause a boring story and will lose a lot of great sex scenes

alright man thanks for letting me know if its not worth it without it il skip thanks mate

 

[Amahl Farouk]

I wonder if that game was written by a fucking Feminist woman who hates man!!! I've never hated any other game that much, real shit, just deleted that shit from my computer, what a moron guy, and there is no chance to change anything, the owner of this shit game should not give the possibility to put a name by the player himself to that moron man, because it feels such an ugly humiliation, this game is real garbage.

Not every game is for everyone. But if there are cuckold beta's into submission and humiliation then this is going to shine out like the full moon on a frosty night to them, and the femdom enthusiasts are going to be over the moon to watch it too. I do think that a lot of the tags should be assigned properly to this so that any self respecting alphas don't wander into this submissive's paradise without proper warning though.

Different stroke for different folks my friend.

 

[Alfius]

I think you need to re-read what he wrote, once more time, and then climb off your high horse and give it some hay.

For your convenience, here is his text

"The fact the developer is actually getting paid for monthly updates this short legitimately bothers me tbh. If I was a Patron (as I am for a few other devs whose updates are worth the money), I'd be furious."

Perfect use of second conditional, talking about a hypothetical situation, and what would be his response in that situation

He expressed dissatisfaction, stating the reasons for that dissatisfaction and you have disagreed. Why not just limit your comments to that fact, rather than injecting invective into it? It shows an unhealthy degree of entitlement to speak to someone that way. Your opinion, while clearly of great importance to you, has no greater merit than his.

The renders are of a very high quality as you say, but his case can be reasonably argued too - that other devs can produce a far higher level of output while maintaining the same standards, which i think is the main thrust of what the gentleman was saying. WVM for example, which produces pretty much the same amount of content but on a weekly basis.

But then this is the internet, and people often rip into people in ways they would never do if face to face.

Bye then, don't forget to feed that horse now!

Maybe my response was a bit over the top. I do not regret saying it, but my tone was maybe a bit much (I fully expected that a mod could have deleted my post). Saying something bothered him, that actually had nothing to do with him, just set me off.

Your opinion, while clearly of great importance to you, has no greater merit than his.

True, but subjectively as a poster who has played over 200+ games in the last couple of year from this site, (sad I know)
I can tell that
"This game have very regular updates, with decent amount of content with very good quality models and renders for each update,"
Is based on that experience. It is one of the reasons I play this game. I'm actually not the biggest fan of this game (Not an NTR fan, writing is average, characters are dumb etc. etc.) Two of the main reasons I'm playing this game is precisely that: Semi regular updates, good quality renders and decent amount of content for the update frequency.

In terms of
WVM and other developers.
Yes there are devs with a bigger work rate, but from the 200+ games I have played on here, this dev is definitely in the top percentile in terms of frequency of content and amount of content released per update.

But then this is the internet, and people often rip into people in ways they would never do if face to face.

Bye then, don't forget to feed that horse now!

True, I would not use the tone and language I used in my reply. But I would definitely have confronted him face to face.
One of the things that drives me nuts apart from entitlement, is people getting upset on other people's behalf. Him getting upset on behalf of Voidstar's Patrons just got me in the wrong mood, and I went all in. In hindsight, I should have taken it down a notch.

 

[Alfius]

It's pretty clear that "different strokes for different folks" as you say and I also know it well. And this is not the first ntr I've played, but never hated any of them like this shit. Here in this game, you have made this man the absolute worst kind of idiot,
and as much insult he gets without having the slightest chance to give back to her or at least he doesn't act like a toddler. Also, if you can say that different strokes for different folks, then you also need to know that when the players were given the opportunity to name the main character, then they make him more personal,
in this way this game thus offends the player himself too. This game has only one goal which is to insult the man, nothing else.

The male MC is a loser...no other way to see it. He must be one of the most stupid people I have ever witnessed.
Much more fun to play as the female MC, she is also stupid, make no mistake, but at least she can sometimes be fun and sexy without being a complete moron.

The MC is just a complete moron. I don't care about him anymore. I like his Wendy bits though, that's fun. Here is the difference between Eugene and Nadia. Eugene makes stupid a lot of decisions constantly and all the time. Pretty much all of those decisions are directly affecting their life and relationship for the worst.
1) Gambling with Bill
2) Listening to Bill for advice
3) Going on a double date with Bill
4) Sucking the hooker's cock
5) Being late for work twice
6) Flirting with another girl in front of Nadia
7) Going to the swinging party
All of these directly affected their relationship for the worse and are caused by none other then the Male MC.

Nadia on the other hand, are a victim of circumstance
1) Rape/Molested by Bill
2) Harassed by her boss
3) Harassed by the shop keeper
4) Drugged and date raped by Bill again.
5) Cheated on by her stupid BF...see above
6) Blackmailed by the nerd.
7) Blackmailed and forced by the previous landlord.
The way she reacts to these event also speaks of her own stupidity, for not being able to resolve any of these.
But you can clearly see that she is a much more sympathetic character then the male MC, as none of these were caused by her. She is a victim of circumstance. He is the cause of the problems.

BTW. Mia from "Summer with Mia" are getting in the same situations and Nadia, but Mia (One of the best female MC's for me, especially in this corruption/blackmail genre) is dealing with it perfectly. She figures stuff out and put's a stop to it if she wants, call the perpetrators out and get revenge if she wants to. She does not walk week in and week out into the same problems without dealing with it.

My only problem with Nadia, is that she is not in any way pro-active in trying to resolve her issues.

 

[boulimanus]

The male MC is a loser...no other way to see it. He must be one of the most stupid people I have ever witnessed.
Much more fun to play as the female MC, she is also stupid, make no mistake, but at least she can sometimes be fun and sexy without being a complete moron.

The MC is just a complete moron. I don't care about him anymore. I like his Wendy bits though, that's fun. Here is the difference between Eugene and Nadia. Eugene makes stupid a lot of decisions constantly and all the time. Pretty much all of those decisions are directly affecting their life and relationship for the worst.
1) Gambling with Bill
2) Listening to Bill for advice
3) Going on a double date with Bill
4) Sucking the hooker's cock
5) Being late for work twice
6) Flirting with another girl in front of Nadia
7) Going to the swinging party
All of these directly affected their relationship for the worse and are caused by none other then the Male MC.

Nadia on the other hand, are a victim of circumstance
1) Rape/Molested by Bill
2) Harassed by her boss
3) Harassed by the shop keeper
4) Drugged and date raped by Bill again.
5) Cheated on by her stupid BF...see above
6) Blackmailed by the nerd.
7) Blackmailed and forced by the previous landlord.
The way she reacts to these event also speaks of her own stupidity, for not being able to resolve any of these.
But you can clearly see that she is a much more sympathetic character then the male MC, as none of these were caused by her. She is a victim of circumstance. He is the cause of the problems.

BTW. Mia from "Summer with Mia" are getting in the same situations and Nadia, but Mia (One of the best female MC's for me, especially in this corruption/blackmail genre) is dealing with it perfectly. She figures stuff out and put's a stop to it if she wants, call the perpetrators out and get revenge if she wants to. She does not walk week in and week out into the same problems without dealing with it.

My only problem with Nadia, is that she is not in any way pro-active in trying to resolve her issues.

I know what you are saying and I love Nadia too and also don't care for Eugene. But objectively you give her too much credit and not enough to him. Also give a different spin to similar events, so the main difference is not stupidity vs circumstances, they both have both.
For example Eugene following Bill or cheating with the hooker, you can just as easily present them as him being harassed and led on; therefore a victim of these circumstances.
And as for Nadia she chose to get drunk in the company of someone she shouldn't trust, she also chose to keep those pictures on her phone; therefore her stupidity directly affected their relationship.
The reason you think she is more sympathetic is because you somehow like her so you see things in different lights. And I'm not saying she's not abused btw, I hate the rape scenes and mentioned it before, I was ready to drop the game if there was another one of these. But if you want to analyse decisions and effects, you have to be fair. And I don't think Eugene is that much more to blame. Even the Wendy scene, I agree it's a funny one because it's so far fetched and over the top, but if you think about it, it's a plain abuse scene too isn't it? Just because he's a man doesn't mean he can't be a victim of circumstances too.

So all I'm saying is they are both stupid and both letting that lead to bad decisions in the circumstances they find themselves in. Which is a trope I expect in a porn game actually.
But I agree it'd be more engaging if it had more options of reactions, but it'd probably slow down progress. That being said, the last update has some text that suggests Nadia will soon start to think about ways to combat the blackmail so, that's good.

 

[Alfius]

I know what you are saying and I love Nadia too and also don't care for Eugene. But objectively you give her too much credit and not enough to him. Also give a different spin to similar events, so the main difference is not stupidity vs circumstances, they both have both.
For example Eugene following Bill or cheating with the hooker, you can just as easily present them as him being harassed and led on; therefore a victim of these circumstances.
And as for Nadia she chose to get drunk in the company of someone she shouldn't trust, she also chose to keep those pictures on her phone; therefore her stupidity directly affected their relationship.
The reason you think she is more sympathetic is because you somehow like her so you see things in different lights. And I'm not saying she's not abused btw, I hate the rape scenes and mentioned it before, I was ready to drop the game if there was another one of these. But if you want to analyse decisions and effects, you have to be fair. And I don't think Eugene is that much more to blame. Even the Wendy scene, I agree it's a funny one because it's so far fetched and over the top, but if you think about it, it's a plain abuse scene too isn't it? Just because he's a man doesn't mean he can't be a victim of circumstances too.

So all I'm saying is they are both stupid and both letting that lead to bad decisions in the circumstances they find themselves in. Which is a trope I expect in a porn game actually.
But I agree it'd be more engaging if it had more options of reactions, but it'd probably slow down progress. That being said, the last update has some text that suggests Nadia will soon start to think about ways to combat the blackmail so, that's good.

Agree and disagree,

So The difference between Eugene and Nadia for me boils down to:
Looking at my examples and yours:-

Eugene actively does things that causes bad things to happen. Not due to any circumstance. For instance. Being late for work twice in a row, there is no one else to blame but him. Or deciding to take dating advice from Bill. There was no other actor involved. He decided on his own to do these stupid things.

Nadia does stupid shit too, like you said taking drinks from bill etc. but while she should know better, she is never the actively causing these to happen. She did not want Bill there in the first place. She did not put the stuff in the drinks, as for keeping pictures on the phone...IMO opinion, while not clever is not really wrong per say. I should have been private to say the least, but once more it was Eugene that decided he wants to check her phone. (Once again she was passive, did nothing did not delete picture) and he was active (Broke into her phone)

So for me it boils down to he being actively stupid and Nadia being passively stupid. For me, the one is worse then the other.

And yes, I hope Nadia grows a bit of a spine. The last few updates seemed promising in that regard, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[boulimanus]

Agree and disagree,

So The difference between Eugene and Nadia for me boils down to:
Looking at my examples and yours:-

Eugene actively does things that causes bad things to happen. Not due to any circumstance. For instance. Being late for work twice in a row, there is no one else to blame but him. Or deciding to take dating advice from Bill. There was no other actor involved. He decided on his own to do these stupid things.

Nadia does stupid shit too, like you said taking drinks from bill etc. but while she should know better, she is never the actively causing these to happen. She did not want Bill there in the first place. She did not put the stuff in the drinks, as for keeping pictures on the phone...IMO opinion, while not clever is not really wrong per say. I should have been private to say the least, but once more it was Eugene that decided he wants to check her phone. (Once again she was passive, did nothing did not delete picture) and he was active (Broke into her phone)

So for me it boils down to he being actively stupid and Nadia being passively stupid. For me, the one is worse then the other.

And yes, I hope Nadia grows a bit of a spine. The last few updates seemed promising in that regard, but I won't hold my breath.

You have a point about Eugene being actively looking for the pictures, however he was prompted by Bill. (btw when it comes to keeping sex pictures of your ex on your phone, whilst in a different relationship, I don't know many people that would describe this as 'not really wrong'. If you have a partner, ask them what they'd think about it... and ask yourself what it means if thinking about this, you decide you rather not take the risk to ask... yes, it is definitely wrong )

And there is nothing active about being late. He didn't aim to be late, but it happened because of other circumstances and actions. And when he takes advice from Bill, there is another actor involved, that actor being called... Bill, again.
Now to give you another example of Nadia's active decisions: she chooses to go to the concert with Bill alone, despite what happened before. But as you probably noticed the pattern by now, she's not alone there either...

I think the difference between the two, if there is one, is extremely thin and not obvious to be able to point out with a few examples. Everything is always more complicated than it seems, even in a porn game
(but everyone's interpretation makes for a personal experience, so really, everyone is right, no matter how one read things. It's just always interesting to exchange different perspectives)

 

[Alfius]

You have a point about Eugene being actively looking for the pictures, however he was prompted by Bill. (btw when it comes to keeping sex pictures of your ex on your phone, whilst in a different relationship, I don't know many people that would describe this as 'not really wrong'. If you have a partner, ask them what they'd think about it... and ask yourself what it means if thinking about this, you decide you rather not take the risk to ask... yes, it is definitely wrong )

And there is nothing active about being late. He didn't aim to be late, but it happened because of other circumstances and actions. And when he takes advice from Bill, there is another actor involved, that actor being called... Bill, again.
Now to give you another example of Nadia's active decisions: she chooses to go to the concert with Bill alone, despite what happened before. But as you probably noticed the pattern by now, she's not alone there either...

I think the difference between the two, if there is one, is extremely thin and not obvious to be able to point out with a few examples. Everything is always more complicated than it seems, even in a porn game

lol...OK my last take on it, I promise. I differ on the phone issue, but that's just me. But I will concede, I see your point, It might be different to different people. My wife still have pictures of her ex (Not sex pics I grant you, but still).

Being late for work IMO is always your fault. I'm one of those people that believe in taking responsibility for you actions. You will notice, that it's always the same people coming late for work and always the same people that's always on time. (Having said that, I'm not a very "on time" person myself, but I know better then to blame circumstance or other people for being late.)

For me, he just does over the top stupid things. Like gambling their money away. And keeping on taking advice from Bill. Again to my point, he actively starts telling Bill about his relationship issues. Nadia's decision to go to the concert was hairbrained, I will give you that, but at least "my" Nadia refused the drinks and went back home. Comparing that to Eugene, that lost all his money in a gambling game and then to top it off, gave a backdoor to Bill back to Nadia, despite knowing she despises him is just on a different level of stupidity compared to Nadia.
So in one action, he
1) Lost all their rent money
2) Allowed Bill to see Nadia again
3) Knowing that she intensely dislikes Bill

Come on...Nowhere did Nadia something so stupid. And with most of Nadia's stupidity is to her own detriment, not so much to both of them.(Yes, it does spiral out of control at the end, but again, I mostly blame Eugene for causing it to spiral out of controll)

 

[boulimanus]

No argument here. I agree, that sure was stupid

Thinking more about it I think it's his naivety that makes him look so dumb. I don't remember a single sentence from him that sounded half smart. He always looks like a rabbit in the headlights.
Nadia on the other hand can be just as dumb, but she has moments where she seems conscious and able to think, or even question herself.

That I think is what makes her endearing and different. We want her to succeed in fixing mistakes and stop making more of them. She looks like she can do it whilst there is very little hope for him. And that makes us more ready to forgive her.

 

[defd©™]

That sounds good but a lot of effort for an option already implemented by the dev.
Still good to know for other games that may benefit from it.

all games get benefixy using the trasèarnct textbox

I cannot yse anymore the original version
there are a lot of hidden rendrs by the annoybg unuseful textbox

this should be a must for all developers

thre is no reason to hide the great render of the game using that shit textbox that in some case seems to be worse yjan a mosaic japanese censorship

if you try just one time my "mod" advice you will never comeback to the creepy original Renpy engine

 

[deluges]

I wonder if that game was written by a fucking Feminist woman who hates man!!! I've never hated any other game that much, real shit, just deleted that shit from my computer, what a moron guy, and there is no chance to change anything, the owner of this shit game should not give the possibility to put a name by the player himself to that moron man, because it feels such an ugly humiliation, this game is real garbage.

I love ntr and I absolutely agree.

 

[deluges]

No argument here. I agree, that sure was stupid

Thinking more about it I think it's his naivety that makes him look so dumb. I don't remember a single sentence from him that sounded half smart. He always looks like a rabbit in the headlights.
Nadia on the other hand can be just as dumb, but she has moments where she seems conscious and able to think, or even question herself.

That I think is what makes her endearing and different. We want her to succeed in fixing mistakes and stop making more of them. She looks like she can do it whilst there is very little hope for him. And that makes us more ready to forgive her.

He also looks like he should just be sucking cocks, so that doesn't help.

The dev forced cheating upon us as an impetus for the fiance's slutification which feels cheap and also like, why would any girl want to fuck that generic ass character.

 

[Jstforme]

For example Eugene following Bill or cheating with the hooker, you can just as easily present them as him being harassed and led on; therefore a victim of these circumstances.
And as for Nadia she chose to get drunk in the company of someone she shouldn't trust, she also chose to keep those pictures on her phone; therefore her stupidity directly affected their relationship.
So all I'm saying is they are both stupid and both letting that lead to bad decisions in the circumstances they find themselves in.

Nadia is a victim of her own very poor decision making, and is as bad as Eugene at making decisions...Eugene is naive and dumb, where Nadia just seems to turn part of her brain off most of the time.
I am holding out hope for a character arc for Eugene where he finds his manhood. Like when Nadia's mom finds the blackmailers phone at the end of the recent update...It would be nice if Nadia's mom takes pity on Eugene, with some help/coaching from her, he learns to be an actual man. All the while Nadia's decent continues, along with taking Eugene for granted, treating him like a lap dog...ignoring his attempts to set things right, she's left alone with someone she deserves like Bill.

 

[Darth Sidious]

While I like what is happening to Nadia, but I can't help but agree that Eugene is a Jedi cucklord. Makes me forget how they ended up together in the first place. The blackmailing was fun for a while but a real slut would only use it for her own pleasure, when she's done with it, she will stop caring even if threatened to be exposed. What I find stupid was the groveling that Eugene did when he was confronted by Nadia that he was cheating on her, since Nadia was cheating on him first she shouldn't have this reaction.

Nadia turned into an entitled bitch, less a real slut. If I were in Eugene's position, I would have confronted Nadia a long time ago and found with Wendy what Nadia didn't want to give. Take Nadia's mom for instance, she's the perfect example of a slut. Best part is that she will sleep with Eugene AND get dick from others if she wants to. As often as she wants it.

What I see happening here is Eugene becoming the sub of the couple with Nadia having a bull where Eugene doesn't get off at all. If that happens we'll need the option to simply get pussy somewhere else and break up with Nadia until she sobers up. Someone commented on the writer being a 'neo-feminist' earlier, though I can see where he's coming from. Fortunately with this game I am reminded constantly that it's a game with no realistic features whatsoever, which is a good thing I suppose. I think 99% of the people playing this game are not the sub-Eugene type in real.

But where can we go from here?
Well, Nadia needs to be taken down a notch. I see two story-friendly ways for that to happen. First, through her mom and secondly through jealousy via Wendy.

The mom can help Nadia put her on the slut-path again, unlike with Bill, Nadia would learn to do it for her own pleasure AND include Eugene into her sex life as long as Eugene accepts that she's a slut and will sleep with anyone she wants. Perhaps opening up the possibility of an open relationship. Should allow Eugene to get some action from the landlord's wife too

Or via Wendy, she will spot Eugene with Wendy having a proper boy- girlfriend time and then have raunchy sex after, making Nadia realize what she's missing from Eugene and get jealous on Wendy for getting it. Also realizing Eugene can be into some really dirty shit which should excite Nadia too.

Bill's path however is definitely leading towards a bad ending, he just wants a whore who will earn him money and a pussy that's always ready.

Like I said, I do like what's happening to Nadia on her corruption path but she needs to take control and become a proper slut like her mom!

 

[Alfius]

No argument here. I agree, that sure was stupid

Thinking more about it I think it's his naivety that makes him look so dumb. I don't remember a single sentence from him that sounded half smart. He always looks like a rabbit in the headlights.
Nadia on the other hand can be just as dumb, but she has moments where she seems conscious and able to think, or even question herself.

That I think is what makes her endearing and different. We want her to succeed in fixing mistakes and stop making more of them. She looks like she can do it whilst there is very little hope for him. And that makes us more ready to forgive her.

+1

This pretty much sums it up for me.

 

[PinkGoddess]

Its not a bad game, but dude, srsly, why always these kind of ntr games push u hard to the ntr? I mean, the game would be better if u have also good scenes if choose go with fidelity in ur relationship but nope, only u lost a lot of scenes.. :/