jackeasy

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so is there a mod to reduce relationship loss over time as at the moment its a MASSIVE pain in the ass as i have to visit all 7 partners every day and grind there respective gifts/relationship tasks and that leaves you with like 5 or 6 actions left that day before the new day starts and thats if you have telleports its flat out imposible without. or am i just being greedy going for the all-father route
I'm sure you've already seen a few people mention the blood awe power that you get from the vampire abilities. I just wanted to add on that the vampire potions are not easy to grind either, so it's helpful to use a different approach with relationship. The vampire ability takes them from ANY relationship value to max, period. So it doesn't matter how low you let them get, you can always max them out. This might only be a useful strategy for someone who has been playing for a while and finished most of the pregnancies since you don't need to interact with them as regularly.
Either way, it could be helpful to just let them go and use the power whenever you need or want to interact with them. Alternatively, you can try to boost them all in one sweep since I'm pretty sure the powers decrease each day instead of on use.
 

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I'm sure you've already seen a few people mention the blood awe power that you get from the vampire abilities. I just wanted to add on that the vampire potions are not easy to grind either, so it's helpful to use a different approach with relationship. The vampire ability takes them from ANY relationship value to max, period. So it doesn't matter how low you let them get, you can always max them out. This might only be a useful strategy for someone who has been playing for a while and finished most of the pregnancies since you don't need to interact with them as regularly.
Either way, it could be helpful to just let them go and use the power whenever you need or want to interact with them. Alternatively, you can try to boost them all in one sweep since I'm pretty sure the powers decrease each day instead of on use.
Yeah it's a all day think. Whenever I plan to boost 1 girl I boost all 4.
 

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Do you get anything from gambling with Tom?

Also, I sent him away the first time, does he come back?
 

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You don’t have to visit them ALL every day, right? I don’t know the numbers, but I can keep them all within the highest affection threshold (which I can tell because of the dialogue) with only one visit every 2–3 days, which means I only have to visit 2–3 girls each day. Is there some benefit to keeping them all maxed out as opposed to just 80% (IDK the actual numbers for the thresholds)?

As for the NTR, I’d put up with it if I had no choice (I’d spam click right through), but I’m definitely not passing up the option to disable it, since it’s being given to me. I think it’s just safer in general to make unpopular kinks opt-in (unless your entire game revolves around one); if you think people who get triggered by the 2–3 NTR scenes are unjustified, what would you say if those 2–3 scenes were scat instead, or guro?
I wouldn't care lol, I've seen plently of fucked up VNs where that stuff was part of the story and completely non-optional. Most of the VNs in this space were inspired pretty heavily by old school Japanese VNs which were heavy on incest, guro, rape, NTR, group sex, sharing, etc., of course there are plenty of vanilla ones too but a lot of them are fucked up. The more vanilla indie western VNs/games started getting big after Patreon got popular, and vanilla people started bitching about fetishes they didn't like and the whole western scene got more vanilla. What's funny is you can go into threads of old school Japanese VNs uploaded on here and find people asking if that stuff is skippable when that's not how games are/were made in Japan, and they are core to the story. So I would absolutely say the exact same thing.

Also, NTR isn't "unpopular", both actual and the new fake definition that includes sharing and orgies, people who hate it are just really vocally angry and tend to brigade so they think there are more of themselves than there actually are. If you look at any objective porn metrics from game sales to hub site data you'd see that NTR haters are a minority.

When I say visit them everyday, it's more each day u should sleep at a different house. For now its only 4 girls that need u too sleep round often. Keeping them happy means there more likley to want sex & be up for u cumming inside em.

The NTR that people claim is in this game is more sharing (apart form one scene where a Werewolf cucks MC but Mia thought it was him so it was more an unknown rape situation). The MC dosent lose girls to men. I cant stand NTR I games & I understand that but any scene where MC shares with other males has a lore reason that makes sense to the game. If the option to avoid is there then that's fine. I'm just saying if ya gonna get pissed at least get you're working right lol.
Recent years people have decided to use NTR for sharing/group sex/ promiscuous characters who aren't LIs for some reason, and it absolutely pisses me of, but it's W/E, can't do anything about it at this point.

I’ll give you that the goblin ritual is sharing*, but with the werewolf, the giant, etc., even if you don’t lose the girl (full-blown NTR), you’re still getting cuckolded and forced to watch—it doesn’t matter if it’s for story purposes, it’s going to put a lot of people off.

*I think the the lore justification is kinda flimsy, however: it’s supposedly so Shakala can get sperm from many worthy males, but I find it very hard to believe that all of the random goblins in her village are strong enough for her to want to mate with them—correct me if I’m wrong, but as far as I’m aware, you’re the only one who ever proved his worth to her. I could maybe see the goblin who teaches you that sword technique as having done it, but yea.
The lore justification is not flimsy, I was gonna explain it but DomWolf already did an excellent job. Also goblin females pop out babies like nothing, doesn't matter if 1 batch is a bunch of runts, that just means they'll die off sooner if so.

True.
The werwolf cucking scene is optional, thought i don't know if it was from the get to go, or if he implemented it later on.
The goblin ritual is also avoidable for a while now (luckily), mc simply says new boss, new rules.
The giant has 2 scenes, the first one is/was always avoidable through winning a fight iirc, the second one the ritual isn't, thought i think the dev plans to make it avoidable.

That being said, the giant scene is fitting, the priestesses of that goddess are all glorified whores, which provide sexual service for donations, i'm 100% on Nergals side so far...i'm curious if the MC tries to change that cult, otherwise i want to take that sweet elf girl back home.
Yea, loving the Qetesh stuff, hopefully Tinkerer doesn't change his plans for it due to the easily triggered.
 
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I wouldn't care lol, I've seen plently of fucked up VNs where that stuff was part of the story and completely non-optional.
I'm pretty sure most people would care though, you're clearly irregular here. Most people aren't going to flip through a sex scene, encounter scat (or guro) and go "oh ok" and just keep going without being bothered or put off.

Also, NTR isn't "unpopular", both actual and the new fake definition that includes sharing and orgies, people who hate it are just really vocally angry and tend to brigade so they think there are more of themselves than there actually are. If you look at any objective porn metrics from game sales to hub site data you'd see that NTR haters are a minority.
I don't think I agree with this at all, I'd guess that most people do not want their loved ones cheating on them and especially not in a humiliating way. Whatever metrics you're using are likely skewed for a number of reasons, and while the amount of fans may not be small in number, I would still definitely consider them a minority.
I do agree that the term has ballooned and is being used to encapsulate things that it probably shouldn't though, ie. sharing which is voluntary and endorsed by the player (mind you I don't think that's excessively popular either, but far more so than actual NTR).
There's probably no actual NTR in this game, but I don't like the content that falls under the "new fake definition" as you call it either so I'm more than happy for the tag to be used on games that include that type of content as a warning that I should investigate before committing time to playing them. Usually it's as simple as finding a post that says it's optional, which gives me the green light. I'd much rather go through that than download a game just to find out half the content is the MC whoring his LI out.
 

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I'm pretty sure most people would care though, you're clearly irregular here. Most people aren't going to flip through a sex scene, encounter scat (or guro) and go "oh ok" and just keep going without being bothered or put off.


I don't think I agree with this at all, I'd guess that most people do not want their loved ones cheating on them and especially not in a humiliating way. Whatever metrics you're using are likely skewed for a number of reasons, and while the amount of fans may not be small in number, I would still definitely consider them a minority.
I do agree that the term has ballooned and is being used to encapsulate things that it probably shouldn't though, ie. sharing which is voluntary and endorsed by the player (mind you I don't think that's excessively popular either, but far more so than actual NTR).
There's probably no actual NTR in this game, but I don't like the content that falls under the "new fake definition" as you call it either so I'm more than happy for the tag to be used on games that include that type of content as a warning that I should investigate before committing time to playing them. Usually it's as simple as finding a post that says it's optional, which gives me the green light. I'd much rather go through that than download a game just to find out half the content is the MC whoring his LI out.
I am not a fan of NTR but I do find it hypocriticaly hilarious when people are bitching about sharing scenes or pre-relationship promiscuity when they are playing a game where we build a harem behind the backs of many women who think we are soley theres. We all play this game. We all cheat on the girls. And then they bitch about sharing... it's kinda pathetic when u realise the double standard they have.
 

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I'm pretty sure most people would care though, you're clearly irregular here. Most people aren't going to flip through a sex scene, encounter scat (or guro) and go "oh ok" and just keep going without being bothered or put off.


I don't think I agree with this at all, I'd guess that most people do not want their loved ones cheating on them and especially not in a humiliating way. Whatever metrics you're using are likely skewed for a number of reasons, and while the amount of fans may not be small in number, I would still definitely consider them a minority.
I do agree that the term has ballooned and is being used to encapsulate things that it probably shouldn't though, ie. sharing which is voluntary and endorsed by the player (mind you I don't think that's excessively popular either, but far more so than actual NTR).
There's probably no actual NTR in this game, but I don't like the content that falls under the "new fake definition" as you call it either so I'm more than happy for the tag to be used on games that include that type of content as a warning that I should investigate before committing time to playing them. Usually it's as simple as finding a post that says it's optional, which gives me the green light. I'd much rather go through that than download a game just to find out half the content is the MC whoring his LI out.
You've completely rephrased the question from the person I was responding to. I answered assuming that I'd know there's extreme content going into it, and be ok with knowing I'm going to encounter it at some point. All games on here are tagged so you're going to know what you're going to encounter anyway, whether you know when it's going to happen or not. Also, I said NTR haters are a minority. There are plenty of people who don't feel strongly about NTR either way, myself included, and they are by far the majority. That doesn't mean they actively like it, it just means they're not triggered by it and won't not consume some media because it contains NTR. Also you're changing the definition of NTR I responded to, you're using the real definition, which I do prefer, but the post I was responding to was phrased using the expanded definition people like to use these days, especially in the gaming sector. If you're using the narrow definition of the POV of someone being cucked by someone who they're in a relationship with, sure that's probably not super-popular, but everyone on here uses the expanded definition now so people who hate NTR in that definition are objectively a vocal minority of porn consumers, and the only reason this game has that tag is due to the expanded definition as there is no true NTR in the game at all.
 

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I am not a fan of NTR but I do find it hypocriticaly hilarious when people are bitching about sharing scenes or pre-relationship promiscuity when they are playing a game where we build a harem behind the backs of many women who think we are soley theres. We all play this game. We all cheat on the girls. And then they bitch about sharing... it's kinda pathetic when u realise the double standard they have.
I'd agree with you if this was a real life scenario or even maybe if the girls in the game got upset and their hearts crushed if they found you cheating on them. But this is a game, with no consequences. These girls cannot be hurt by your actions, they aren't even real, but you can definitely be emotionally upset by theirs, as you are real. So while I agree with your sentiment, I don't really think it applies here because of the reality of the situation, they're pixels.
I do think sometimes people almost choose to get upset when they don't have to though, like if you choose to chase the girl you already know early on has had previous partners then get upset about it... I mean that sucks I guess but what did you expect?
 
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Yea, loving the Qetesh stuff, hopefully Tinkerer doesn't change his plans for it due to the easily triggered.
My thinking the way he does it now, is do both sides. so you can see it and skip it. and yes lots of backlash with the group scene with the goblins and ''sharing'' with the giant going to be skipable for some people.

personal not to botherd by it all, but lots of people asked if it would be skip-able that comes to the discord with a patreon tag or without. but story wise first he makes it how he wants it and afterwords add fixes/skips if needed.

also i see its like a game in the middel ages and keep want to use a 2000+ mindset on stuff so bit weird to do so, in those days its more important not to die than think what people think about relationships and all.
 

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My thinking the way he does it now, is do both sides. so you can see it and skip it. and yes lots of backlash with the group scene with the goblins and ''sharing'' with the giant going to be skipable for some people.

personal not to botherd by it all, but lots of people asked if it would be skip-able that comes to the discord with a patreon tag or without. but story wise first he makes it how he wants it and afterwords add fixes/skips if needed.

also i see its like a game in the middel ages and keep want to use a 2000+ mindset on stuff so bit weird to do so, in those days its more important not to die than think what people think about relationships and all.
I think of it as a fantasy game, so it's not always useful to make direct comparisons to the actual middle ages IMO, but I see your point. And yea hopefully he just adds more skip options instead of changing plans. I absolutely want to see a massive Qeteshi orgy at some point.
 
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I'd agree with you if this was a real life scenario or even maybe if the girls in the game got upset and their hearts crushed if they found you cheating on them. But this is a game, with no consequences. These girls cannot be hurt by your actions, they aren't even real, but you can definitely be emotionally upset by theirs, as you are real. So while I agree with your sentiment, I don't really think it applies here because of the reality of the situation, they're pixels.
I do think sometimes people almost choose to get upset when they don't have to though, like if you choose to chase the girl you already know early on has had previous partners then get upset about it... I mean that sucks I guess but what did you expect?
I'm not gonna disagree with most of what u said but I will disagree a out the whole "no consequences, people get hurt cos there real but the girls aren't" thing. It's as u said there NOT REAL. No need to get that pissy about it that u whine until the creator has to change his/her creative direction (especially when it makes sense to the scenario, be it plot, lore or even comedy at the player's expense). I'm also using the "royal you" as in anyone that gets annoyed, not you personally (y).

The fact that people sit there like "I can build my harem & have no consequences for my actions." Then be like "Bitch had other relations or is with someone else, f***** slut" in the next. We are all playing a man-whore here let's be honest. Also they do get upset (in game, I know they dont feel it really), they react when MC hasent seen them for a while, some thing he is there alone & probs would get pissed if they found out (hypertheticly). Theres no point in people getting worked up over a GAME. Just go play something else & be sure to read the tags (also the expanded "definition" of NTR annoys me cos it's stupid lol)
 

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My thinking the way he does it now, is do both sides. so you can see it and skip it. and yes lots of backlash with the group scene with the goblins and ''sharing'' with the giant going to be skipable for some people.

personal not to botherd by it all, but lots of people asked if it would be skip-able that comes to the discord with a patreon tag or without. but story wise first he makes it how he wants it and afterwords add fixes/skips if needed.

also i see its like a game in the middel ages and keep want to use a 2000+ mindset on stuff so bit weird to do so, in those days its more important not to die than think what people think about relationships and all.
I think of it as a fantasy game, so it's not always useful to make direct comparisons to the actual middle ages IMO, but I see your point. And yea hopefully he just adds more skip options instead of changing plans. I absolutely want to see a massive Qeteshi orgy at some point.
I feel like it's a medieval fantasy world with modern day perks. Like the concept of "boyfriend/girlfriend" being used (pretty sure that was a term back then) & it does have SOME modern day restrictions. The only F+D incest is with half-monster daughters who have rapidly aged, no pedo shit (which kinda would have been the norm back then, if she bleeds she breeds was the mindset). But I do think people place TOO MUCH 2000+ morality in the game. Bestiality was frowned upon, but probably more common they we like to admit & there was a strong patriarchal mindset where women had less power (as shown with Victoria having to rule THROUGH MC & Alice being forced into an arranged marrage).

Its an odd one but I think Tink has created an interesting world & every scene (be it shared or cuck) does make sense to the lore he created. We dont have to like it, I personally appreciate the option to skip the goblin gangbang & I just think people need to stop being so insecure about a game at times. Ya know.
 
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