Not saying they are doing this because I dont know if this is fact or something you are just saying, but if this actually happens then the entire idea behind perverted education is just dead and gone.Next version, main is actually a tomboy and teacher is trying to teach her how to be a "proper" woman X_x
Yep. Can't have an involuntary sissification game without the involuntary bit. The changes Patreon wants the devs to make don't change the game. They make it an entirely different game. I also share your criticism of PE's development being completely aimless at this point.... if this actually happens then the entire idea behind perverted education is just dead and gone.
Still wouldn't be Patreon-compliant if the change is nonconsensual.Next version, main is actually a tomboy and teacher is trying to teach her how to be a "proper" woman X_x
I agree on the major bummer front. I will say that I can only control what I can control when it comes to legacy versions. Anything the community does around me is out of my hands outside of some stern finger-wagging. For now, we are keeping it up, but I d/l it now, just in case.It is what it is. Probably bound to happen eventually, but still a major bummer.
I would suggest to the mods that the last "pre-compliance" version remains linked from the OP as a legacy build, unless the devs think the mere existence of earlier versions of the game will get them in further trouble.
Thanks. I think you'll find the changes are actually not as extensive as they sound. It does need some bug tuning though. Hoping to have those fixed before 1.0.I'm curious to play this new safe for 2021 version.
I mean, that would totally work in the context of PE. Might have to start her as a lesbian though, considering PC starts fem-attracted. Female feminization is a drastically underserved kink, but I personally find it super hot. It's not the plan for PE though.Next version, main is actually a tomboy and teacher is trying to teach her how to be a "proper" woman X_x
Yeah, tbh, I am not the greatest project lead. I am doing what I can, but it is not my strongest points. I mainly became the "boss" because I was the one willing to take the reins over letting the project die entirely. Because of that, it's been particularly hard to keep coders without the cycling out every few months. We have a core team of 2 writers, a coder who primarily focused on bug fixing, an avatar artist, and me who writes, edits, codes, and also has irl concerns. On top of that, 2020 was, well, 2020 even for those on our team.Firstly I just want to say I understand the changes you have had to make to the game because of patreon and I have no problems with anything you have had to remove/change as a result.
So I've been following this game for probably 3 years now and from memory there have been 3 lead developers, the 1st developer seemed to be focused on femdom and feminization, the 2nd focused on rape and gay content and the 3rd seems to be trying to somewhat undo what the 2nd one did by adding futanari content to overwrite all the male on male content and now adding further content.
Within the past 1-2 years there has been a huge lack in content whether it be due to, lack of coders or team members being ill and as such they made patreon a pay upon release which is only fair for the people who are paying for the content and which is why I've always said I dont believe the team behind this game are only doing it for the money.
However, whether it's a result of not having a consistent team or not I dont know but this game just doesnt seem to have any real structure to it anymore, there are storylines which just arent being finished or even developed at this point, new story lines and content seem to being added for no real reason besides just extra content and a little story advance. I feel that there are writers for each storyline and they get told like a week in advance "oh yeah its your story being added this month so get writing" as the updates just keep getting smaller and smaller from 2020 alone I question the amount of content which has any actual impact and was needed at this point. By this I mean the content either just wasnt needed, could of been added much later or shouldnt even have been its own update but added on with another update.
What should of been done was the team should of been like right what content do we currently have? Guardian, best friend, cheerleader stuff and teacher(these are just examples of the current story content) and then they should of been like okay lets get that content atleast 70% done and then we can consider adding more as we go. Instead the releases just seem to be heres some trophy wife stuff becauses its content, have some more training in wearing high heels despite you already buying and wearing them like 10 updates ago. I now tend to wait around 2-3 months before even checking this game now just to see if theres enough new content for me to justify starting the game from the beginning.
Not saying they are doing this because I dont know if this is fact or something you are just saying, but if this actually happens then the entire idea behind perverted education is just dead and gone.
I'm not saying the game is bad because its really not, the story that is written is good,I've replayed this game many times and I enjoy when new content is added, but the way eveything is being handled just seems very poor. If I've made any mistakes in regards to how many developers theres been then feel free to let me know.
Shit maybe would have been more easy to change to SubscribeStar
It's not like the devs haven't thought of that. They have a page, it's even linked in the OP if you actually looked, it's just "under review", and probably will be until it's not. And no one knows when it won't be under review.2. Move the game to Subscribestar.
This completely changes the game. Part of what makes this game worth playing is all the fetishes that are included. The Blackmail, the forced aspect. The forced until you mind break and love it. Incest option. The Revenge, brainwash..etc...If that's all going to be removed because patreon has a stick up their ass and wants to go vanilla wholesome, with what their users are doing. Should abandoned patreon.Hey. Just poking my head in to get ahead of the potential fallout from the patreon version that just got uploaded. We were required to change A LOT to stay on patreon, mainly in the hypno and blackmail camps.
Changes for Patreon Compliance:
- Hypnosis:
- Mind control fetish has been removed from the game.
- Protagonist now starts at mind-state 2, the most enthusiastic mind state.
- Therapist no longer offers hypnosis sessions. Her research is now focused on the effects of watching pornography. This does not change the protagonist's mind state, as stated above, but does provide him with extra cash.
- Therapist still gives the pre-research survey and talks as before
- Blackmail/teacher punishments:
- Upon discovering the protagonist with the cheerleader’s panties, the teacher does not threaten him with expulsion. Instead, she offers to teach him about femininity and indulge his latent fetishes. Players have the option to consent to or reject her offer.
- If the player consents to her offer, teacher details the specifics of how she will train the protagonist, including a tuition fee for her instruction and corrective “punishments” should the protagonist fail her lessons or fail to pay. The protagonist is informed that he will be given the choice to opt-out of a punishment and given a mundane form of correction instead. Once again, players have the option to consent to or reject her offer.
- Teacher no longer threatens PC with expulsion in any other circumstance.
- Players must consent to each punishment before it is offered, with a reminder of what the possible punishment may entail. For player convenience, they can offer “unconditional consent” which skips this check for the play session.
- Other incidental references to blackmail have been removed.
- Questionable consent:
- Questionable consent fetish has been removed.
- Player no longer has the option to take revenge on the bully. This sequence will be re-evaluated/rewritten to fit Patreon’s compliance in the future.
- Scenes in which the protagonist’s consent and enjoyment could be determined as questionable were clarified such that the protagonist's intent and enthusiasm is clear. Any acts of “resistance” are clearly role-play among the protagonist and his sexual partners. One scene of protagonist peril was shortened to remove the sexual aspects.
- Other changes:
- Babysitter is now the only guardian.
For as long as we remain on patreon, we will be complying with their requests, and they have notified us that, if we do development on the game on an alternate version, we remain in violation of their CoC. According to them, they back-link anything connected to patreon to ensure we are staying in compliance.
I promise, the changes seem more monumental than they actually are. We are continuing to consider our options for funding, both with patreon and outside of it, and will notify you guys if the situation changes. Until then, thanks to all of you guys who have supported us. I'll try to keep my head poked in here if you guys have any questions about the changes.
We appreciate your faith in us. I can neither confirm nor deny if you are right on the money or not. Moving presents its own issues, including one that will probably induce more complaints from patrons and another that will make it harder for us to get contributors. As such, we are continuing to explore all our options. Patreon is our best option at this time, and so long as we stay with them, we'll follow their rules. While the response has been a bit disheartening, I would be lying if I said I wasn't expecting it. I was so excited that we just broke top 1k patreons too... I keep wondering if that had anything to do with all this...Just give it time.
Ikr. Was a large part of what I enjoyed about the game too. Well, the non-babysitter guardian not so much (personal preference), but we've tried to include even content the writers don't specifically enjoy but know the community does. Personally, my preferred way to play is "brat," and when I was just a fan, I advocated for modes that would make it harder to avoid complying with teacher's requests. I still want to play the game in the manner I enjoy, and I will continue working to make a game I want to play. The team will continue to evaluate the parts of the game that were removed, and if we can, reintroduce them in a way that meets Patreon's requests, so long as we are still with Patreon.This completely changes the game. Part of what makes this game worth playing is all the fetishes that are included. The Blackmail, the forced aspect. The forced until you mind break and love it. Incest option. The Revenge, brainwash..etc...If that's all going to be removed because patreon has a stick up their ass and wants to go vanilla wholesome, with what their users are doing. Should abandoned patreon.
Patreon is a place that is all about making money. If they change their policies and start to lose their clientele. Then the company has to revaluate their changes or die. Don't bend to their change. It will only get worse if you do.
Yeah. My response was also half-joking, but I also wanted the chance to advocate for a fetish I don't see enough of.I was joking about tomboy bit, but really, few things popped to mind when I've read the changes, like...
We are continuing to evaluate all our options. Keep an eye here, on TFGS, or on our discord for future news.Hmm does not seem like fun changes to me.
Its time to move from patreon
Actually, I think there's much bigger problems with PC being actually trans. The fact that PC only gets attention once they've started to transition is this kind of problematic fetishization of trans people. For me, the "porn logic" is part of what keeps it from being an issue. Things that are taken to an illogical extreme are less offputting. Just check out the violence in a movie like The Machine Girl. Blood spraying from severed limbs like a firehose is less squick to me than stuff they show on true-life medical shows. It's too crazy to be real.Aloryn
Pretty much what I was talking about. When you actually start to think about what removing non-consent from the game would mean, it's pretty clear you're talking about an entirely different game. It's not just a matter of removing the explicitly noncon stuff, it's that almost everything in the game has the teacher's blackmail (along with the increasing payment, lowered by accepting sissification) as a driving force behind it.
Make the game about a student who realises that they're trans and begins transition with the help and support of their teacher (and eventually their guardian and their therapist) and everything changes and nothing makes sense. Mind you, there's been a developing problem of the game making no sense for quite some time, so perhaps it's not surprising that the current devs might think this doesn't matter.
Thanks for the well wishes. We are doing what we can with the situation we've been placed in, tbh.Honestly, this notice about the huge game changing elements within this game was a shocker. I do not blame the devs for following the rules of Pat, I want to make that clear. But the devs also have to be honest that it is not going to be the same game. It is not minor changes at all. As Carl0s has mentioned several times, the original game was all about either non-con or semi non-con or at the very least reluctant consent. Sure, the option was always there to be excited about the changes. But every event, and all of the mechanics, were focused on the MC being forced outside of their comfort zones. Now, that the devs are having to make everything be consensual only, it just will not be the same game.
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Regardless, best wishes to the PE dev team. I hope you can make the best of this situation that the Pat service has forced upon you all. Sadly I suspect this might be the last time I check as my main interest in the game has been removed. I just have nothing in common with the MC, and do not consider him / her interesting enough to follow her through the changes. Without the escapism of playing a harmless game of fictional non-con, the remaining product (while still I am sure a quality work) just has nothing to keep my interest rather than checking out other games or finding more rewarding time wasters.
Still do wish the dev team the best however. Good luck and blessings to you all.
Wouldn't surprise me. Patreon are anxious to (be seen to) keep their noses clean for the payment companies, so it would make sense for them to subject high-profile projects to more intense scrutiny.I was so excited that we just broke top 1k patreons too... I keep wondering if that had anything to do with all this...
The non-con or forced consent stuff was one of the key attractions of the original game back in the long ago, to my mind. My instinct in games like this is to take every option to rebel and resist, although of course that just pulls the MC further in. I don't know how I would play it if the MC was suddenly given genuinely effective ways of pulling back.Personally, my preferred way to play is "brat," and when I was just a fan, I advocated for modes that would make it harder to avoid complying with teacher's requests. I still want to play the game in the manner I enjoy, and I will continue working to make a game I want to play. (...)
As far as the extent of the changes, with PC giving consent, part of that consent is giving teacher the leeway to push him outside his comfort zone. He can "pull back" of course, but (tbh) at that point why is this person playing the game? Dunno, but patreon whats us to make sure those players have that option.
Abso-fucking-lutely. Good on you for being aware of that.Actually, I think there's much bigger problems with PC being actually trans. The fact that PC only gets attention once they've started to transition is this kind of problematic fetishization of trans people. For me, the "porn logic" is part of what keeps it from being an issue.
Try having a look at the most popular games over onAnyone can recommend more games like this one?
For a few days now i was looking for that kind of game as well.Try having a look at the most popular games over onYou must be registered to see the links: There's a whole cottage industry of games inspired by this one over there.
Secretary, The Making of a Slut, and The Sissy Girlfriend Experiment are some of the more developed and cohesive offerings, in roughly that order.
I don't disagree with this in the larger sense, but the issue is not what the player base of this game finds acceptable; the issue is what Patreon finds acceptable.Actually, I think there's much bigger problems with PC being actually trans. The fact that PC only gets attention once they've started to transition is this kind of problematic fetishization of trans people. For me, the "porn logic" is part of what keeps it from being an issue. Things that are taken to an illogical extreme are less offputting. Just check out the violence in a movie like The Machine Girl. Blood spraying from severed limbs like a firehose is less squick to me than stuff they show on true-life medical shows. It's too crazy to be real.