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Proto Persona

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This is one of my favorite adult games. I am so glad the team is working together and putting out content. I look forward to playing through this version.

I've gotten through most of the new friend arc and I like the re-work.

EDIT - As for the OP is the listing for Avatar Version (0.78M) & Non Avatar Version (0.7902N) still needed? I think they are old versions
They are old versions, and the non-avatar version doesn't have a use anymore. The avatar version does though. You can copy the avatar image folder into the current version of the game and it will mostly work. That said I'm not really a fan of the avatar version anymore since it doesn't really reflect the wide variety of clothes available.

I don't like how so many things are forced, and the protagonist is left with no options in a lot of situations. Or if there are options, it's a case of shitty option, or if you refuse even shittier option.

Also, the mother in this game is just fucking stupid. When it got to the mother taking things over, I stopped playing. It's just too ridiculous at that point.
The central theme of the game is forced feminization. It's not really avoidable if you're advancing the plot. Even warns you about this in the first 2 introductory splash pages. What exactly were you expecting?

Would the scenes where the guardian takes over your home life be any better if you don't enable incest? If you don't peep on mom in day 1 then she leaves the game on a business trip and you interact with your old babysitter who mom left in charge of you.

Either way for prudish legal reasons the game never explicitly tells you the age of the protagonist. It's pretty clear though that the MC is not older than high school age, since he can't seem to be left on his own for a long period of time. The narrative makes more sense in that framing.
 
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Chemenoi

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I just want to say how great this game is. It's the best one I've played on this forum, and that's in spite of the fact that the whole boy-to-girl transformation theme not being a big interest of mine. Well done to everyone who has worked on it.
 

NFunknown

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Hey, so could anyone help a total newbie regarding actually playing this?
So I got the latest version over the mega-link and downloaded a folder called PE_8001.zip, but when I open the Firefox HTML Document, the game starts, but all the images are broken. Anything I need to do?
Also, why does it download a Firefox HTML when I downloaded it via Chrome?
Thanks in advance
 

AWolfe

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The latest version is 0.8101; 8001 is two versions behind (0.8100 and 0.8101). In the game folder where you unpacked the archive to you need to have two things: "PE.html" and an "Images" folder. If the Images folder (and the contents within) is not there then you will have broken images.
 

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Hey, so could anyone help a total newbie regarding actually playing this?
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Also, why does it download a Firefox HTML when I downloaded it via Chrome?
Thanks in advance
It sounds like Firefox is set as your "default browser" so all html files will show up as Firefox documents when looking at them in the file system. If Chrome is set, they'll show up as Chrome. There's nothing different about the files themselves, it's just how the system displays the icon for the file, and what application it'll use by default to open said file.
 

grapedog

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The central theme of the game is forced feminization. It's not really avoidable if you're advancing the plot. Even warns you about this in the first 2 introductory splash pages. What exactly were you expecting?
The problem isn't the forcing, it's the way in which it is enforced. the MC is a complete and utter idiot. he's worried about getting expelled, but the teacher is essentially running a racketeering and sex trafficking ring inside the school, and also molesting students as is the coach. he could easily record any single one of their daily conversations on his phone, and that teacher, and multiple other teachers would be sent to prison for the rest of their short lives. It's just poorly written... the forcing isn't the problem, the way in which it's done is the problem. I guess maybe it's my problem that i would prefer better writing...

Would the scenes where the guardian takes over your home life be any better if you don't enable incest? If you don't peep on mom in day 1 then she leaves the game on a business trip and you interact with your old babysitter who mom left in charge of you.

Either way for prudish legal reasons the game never explicitly tells you the age of the protagonist. It's pretty clear though that the MC is not older than high school age, since he can't seem to be left on his own for a long period of time. The narrative makes more sense in that framing.
guardian or mother, it makes no sense either way.... at first she is worried, then all of the sudden she turns into a huge controlling cuntbag. again, it's poor writing...
 

grapedog

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A good majority of adult games are ridiculous. Not exactly sure how criticizing that aspect is valid in any way, on a site filled to the brim with Incest games. It's a paradox, if anything.
so we shouldn't criticize anymore? i praise and I criticize in equal measure depending on the game. either one is just as important as the other.
 

AWolfe

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I guess maybe it's my problem that i would prefer better writing...
Yes, it is your problem. You're not going to get the developer to rewrite his entire game to suit your taste, so there's no real point to continuing to bitch about it here. You think the game is stupid and you don't want to play it. So move on ... and allow the rest of us who do enjoy the game exactly as it is now to continue to enjoy the game. The fact that the game has a lot of ridiculous situations is actually part of its charm, much like The Making of a Slut, another fine game that has many characters that some folks have also thought should be in jail. It's a game, not to be taken seriously.
 

grapedog

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Yes, it is your problem. You're not going to get the developer to rewrite his entire game to suit your taste, so there's no real point to continuing to bitch about it here. You think the game is stupid and you don't want to play it. So move on ... and allow the rest of us who do enjoy the game exactly as it is now to continue to enjoy the game. The fact that the game has a lot of ridiculous situations is actually part of its charm, much like The Making of a Slut, another fine game that has many characters that some folks have also thought should be in jail. It's a game, not to be taken seriously.
my problem is with the game, and thankfully i have the freedom to criticize or praise it as I see fit. If you have a problem with me criticizing the game, well, that's YOUR problem. Not mine.
 

Zarathos4

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Just playing the new version and as someone not big on manga reading the fact they used Rosario+Vampire, for their manga example is awesome. Its the only series I've read and really enjoyed. So its nice the dev put there. :)
 

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The problem isn't the forcing, it's the way in which it is enforced. the MC is a complete and utter idiot. he's worried about getting expelled, but the teacher is essentially running a racketeering and sex trafficking ring inside the school, and also molesting students as is the coach. he could easily record any single one of their daily conversations on his phone, and that teacher, and multiple other teachers would be sent to prison for the rest of their short lives. It's just poorly written... the forcing isn't the problem, the way in which it's done is the problem. I guess maybe it's my problem that i would prefer better writing...



guardian or mother, it makes no sense either way.... at first she is worried, then all of the sudden she turns into a huge controlling cuntbag. again, it's poor writing...

The thing is, the MC does not do this because he actually wants the TF, he just hides behind "someone ordered me".
Especially if you consider that a good chunk of the content comes if he goes *above* what the orders actually say..
(I.e. the teacher tells him to wear some female udnerwear, wearing more fancy ones is entirely the mcs idea!)
 
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Proto Persona

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The problem isn't the forcing, it's the way in which it is enforced. the MC is a complete and utter idiot. he's worried about getting expelled, but the teacher is essentially running a racketeering and sex trafficking ring inside the school, and also molesting students as is the coach. he could easily record any single one of their daily conversations on his phone, and that teacher, and multiple other teachers would be sent to prison for the rest of their short lives. It's just poorly written... the forcing isn't the problem, the way in which it's done is the problem. I guess maybe it's my problem that i would prefer better writing...



guardian or mother, it makes no sense either way.... at first she is worried, then all of the sudden she turns into a huge controlling cuntbag. again, it's poor writing...
Unfortunately that not going to change. The devs have acknowledged that in real life this would probably all end with somebody calling the cops and a whole lot of people going to jail. Nobody has any idea how to write it better that wouldn't drastically change the tone of the game and the motivations of the characters. For many of the fans it is the forced aspect that matters, and that's what creates most of the unrealistic scenarios. You're welcome to join the team discord and offer suggestions. ~X~ and BritneyD are the main writers, and are rather responsive to community feedback.

Yes, it is your problem. You're not going to get the developer to rewrite his entire game to suit your taste, so there's no real point to continuing to bitch about it here. You think the game is stupid and you don't want to play it. So move on ... and allow the rest of us who do enjoy the game exactly as it is now to continue to enjoy the game. The fact that the game has a lot of ridiculous situations is actually part of its charm, much like The Making of a Slut, another fine game that has many characters that some folks have also thought should be in jail. It's a game, not to be taken seriously.
I don't think that was called for. He's posting his feeling about the game, and backing it up with reasons and logic. He has as much right to be disappointed in how the game is written as you do to love it. It's constructive criticism, and it could end up making the game better. Especially if it creates new play path options.

The thing is, the MC does not do this because he actually wants the TF, he just hides behind "someone ordered me".
Especially if you consider that a good chunk of the content comes if he goes *above* what the orders actually say..
(I.e. the teacher tells him to wear some female udnerwear, wearing more fancy ones is entirely the mcs idea!)
That's the implied motivation only if you go through the hypnos, which do alter the MCs mind. If you skip them he's very resistant. Either way it's a rather flimsy excuse most of the time. The MC definitely has a case of the dumb in a few areas. I'm sure ~X~ would welcome ideas on how to tighten those passages up. He's admitted once he has a tendency to overwrite.
 
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~X~

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Yes, it is your problem. You're not going to get the developer to rewrite his entire game to suit your taste, so there's no real point to continuing to bitch about it here. You think the game is stupid and you don't want to play it. So move on ... and allow the rest of us who do enjoy the game exactly as it is now to continue to enjoy the game. The fact that the game has a lot of ridiculous situations is actually part of its charm, much like The Making of a Slut, another fine game that has many characters that some folks have also thought should be in jail. It's a game, not to be taken seriously.
my problem is with the game, and thankfully i have the freedom to criticize or praise it as I see fit. If you have a problem with me criticizing the game, well, that's YOUR problem. Not mine.
The thing is, the MC does not do this because he actually wants the TF, he just hides behind "someone ordered me".
Especially if you consider that a good chunk of the content comes if he goes *above* what the orders actually say..
(I.e. the teacher tells him to wear some female udnerwear, wearing more fancy ones is entirely the mcs idea!)
It's intentionally left ambiguous if PC is actually into the feminization he's receiving, so multiple types of people can enjoy their own fantasy through the game, and I've frequently seen people come up with both interpretations.

Grapedog, I'm sorry you feel the games writing isn't realistic. The honest truth is that the premise of the game requires quite a bit of "porn logic" to stay afloat. If the characters are doing something odd, it often boils down to "because they're in a porn." I personally contend that PC just isn't that bright when it comes to these situations, often because he thinks with his dick and not his head, and that is why he doesn't think of an actual strategy to get out from under the teacher. As TheHiddenOne said, he probably also enjoys this to some extent. While the world is degrading, it's usually not designed for PC to be in real danger. Like you said, a lot of the options are choosing between bad thing a or bad thing b, and that's because the people controlling PC are giving him the illusion of choice because the game is ultimately about "forced feminization." In some regard, if the player doesn't go along with it, there's just no story to tell.

Guardian's mood may feel a bit quick to swing, but it honestly used to be a lot worse. It's somewhat implied that guardian is probably a little kinky, but hasn't really explored it. Her arc is supposed to follow the path of: mostly uninterested in PC --> concerned about PC's expression of sexuality/femininity --> controlling of PC to curb his sexual/feminine actions --> seduced by her own lust in controlling PC and observing his more blatant expressions of sexuality/femininity. Basically, by watching PC's progression into becoming a sissy and (supposedly) trying to stop him, she discovers that she enjoys the idea of controlling a sissified sub. The bit at the end with the blackmail is where she truly becomes controlling, but at that point it's because PC betrayed her. That's the intent anyways. If you feel that wasn't properly conveyed, that's fine. We're not done writing for guardian yet, and her progression may be tweaked a little further down the line.


That's the implied motivation only if you go through the hypnos, which do alter the MCs mind. If you skip them he's very resistant. Either way it's a rather flimsy excuse most of the time. The MC definitely has a case of the dumb in a few areas. I'm sure ~X~ would welcome ideas on how to tighten those passages up. He's admitted once he has a tendency to overwrite.
Me? Overwrite? Never. Have you seen how succinct my forum posts are? :D
 

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so we shouldn't criticize anymore?
That wasn't the point I was trying to make, it was more so that nearly every porn game has a ridiculous story with porn tropes. That's pretty much to be expected, otherwise a good majority of porn games on this site would just be a retelling of Josef Fritzl and his daughter.
 

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We're not done writing for guardian yet, and her progression may be tweaked a little further down the line.
It would be great to see some more content with guardian. Seeing her transformation from lovely person to cruel bitch is really hot for me. Maybe you should make a chores/punishments system more various?
 

~X~

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It would be great to see some more content with guardian. Seeing her transformation from lovely person to cruel bitch is really hot for me. Maybe you should make a chores/punishments system more various?
We will likely focus on the teacher first since we feel that she is very close to reaching an ending and we want to explore that so we can hit something close to a 1.0. Guardian will likely be looked at next.
 
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grapedog

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The thing is, the MC does not do this because he actually wants the TF, he just hides behind "someone ordered me".
Especially if you consider that a good chunk of the content comes if he goes *above* what the orders actually say..
(I.e. the teacher tells him to wear some female udnerwear, wearing more fancy ones is entirely the mcs idea!)
i don't disagree, but certain plot points won't progress until he does something above and beyond. There is no other way to progress the story, unless you want to "fight the good fight", until the villain of the story, the teacher, raises prices so much that you can't afford to pay them off and get expelled or are forced to do something else.

It lacks any sense of real choice. If you don't always chose the "worst" possible path, the game stalls out.
 

grapedog

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Like you said, a lot of the options are choosing between bad thing a or bad thing b, and that's because the people controlling PC are giving him the illusion of choice because the game is ultimately about "forced feminization." In some regard, if the player doesn't go along with it, there's just no story to tell.
FIrst let me say I do understand and appreciate the work put into the game. It's good work. I don't have a problem with forced feminization, but I guess I do prefer a more subtle approach. There are certain parts where you if you don't just make a worse choice, the game stalls out... there are not different options to arrive at the same place. It might just not be for me, but I did mostly enjoy trying it out.
 
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