VN Ren'Py Completed Picture Perfect [v1.0] [SuperWriter]

[Abhai]

..But how did you like the voice acting so far? You can be totally honest

Morpheus668 explained it very well...
A good advice is not to spend too much time/resources on it, as all of that "voicing" simply is not worth of.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

SuperWriter How about something like Sugar Daddy? Then the incest patch could replace the audio files with the Sugar edited out.

Idk how the structure works but it would be awesome if some player typed words,
like "father" and "daddy" had hidden spoken words that trigger when used so it's more full.

Maybe even added with a patch for not so hidden detect when used words.

More than just those 2 like "sir" "master" "Papa".

Like the game recognizing the words when entered in the beginning and using that single spoken word,
when its text is present.

So there's voice acting for 1 chapter out of six? I'm liking it so I think I'll wait until voicing is further along before playing the rest of the content... goddammit why did I discover this game now?

That said the gaps in dialogue are definitely a little awkward, and happen often given that we have choices for both name/nickname of the MC and his relationship to the girls, I suppose not much can be done for the dialogue already there, but going forward it might be a good idea to try and reduce how often these happen when writing the lines that will be voiced (and I'd specially suggest trying to avoid them being mid sentence where possible)

I'm going to just have the actors use pronouns like "him," and have the actors re-record their lines for the next update.. Sometimes the simplest option is the best =]

Thanks for all the feedback, guys!

I think voice acting is a big miss when you can name characters. If you want to do voice acting, have set names so you can actually call them what you want. Having a break every time a name is called makes the voices instantly get turned off no matter how good they were.

Honestly: The VA is a nice gimmick, but for me nothing more. Please don't get it wrong, the voices fit the characters well and actually do their job quite good, nevertheless the voices often only partly fit the actual atmosphere. And as mentioned here before, even I read faster than the spoken words - although English is not my first language. But for the VA you have to listen AND read, because the MC's text is not spoken by an actor (thank God!).

The music is quite nice. Nevertheless - only one song during the complete first chapter? I have to admit that I found the music of the Mod, which you smiled at a bit, much better. (I think now, I should have persuaded that guy more to this "challenge").
But maybe there will be some more music from you in the next updates.

As for the game itself, nothing has changed on my part - I still like it very much and I'm already excited about the next chapter!

I was thinking if I should have added more songs in certain situations or not, and think after thinking about your comment that I will go ahead and add more music next time. Thank you!

I don't think this is necessarily true. I have seen this work in other games. You just have to be careful. For example, when it is written "Stop telling DADDY what to do", the voice can say ""Stop telling him what to do", a simple "Kiss me, DADDY" "Kiss me, you". It does take analyzing line by line to see what sounds more natural and specially it requires some forward looking when writing dialogues.

Moreover, in the extreme you can go the full Bioware option. There is a name, but everybody calls you by a nickname "Shepard", "Hawke". Main problem with that is the setting of this novel, where you want your "tenants" to call you "daddy". And it that alternative, people will have to do with your daughters calling you by a fixed nicknames. I am almost confident that for most of us, normal thing is to call mother and father not by their names but by some variant of the word mom or dad. So this alternative is probably less than perfect given the setting of the novel, but it could work for some other novel Dev has in mind.

Overall, I think that for a first time it was good!! It can definitely be improved, but my comparison with voice acting is not fair, as I have only find them on huge budget games. I doubt Dev could hire Keanu Reeves to wake us up to burn a city (who doesn't love Keanu?) or Morgan Freeman, for that matter. Also, as I had already read the novel before voices were introduced, I have created a "voice in my head" that needs some time adjusting to the voice chosen. If anything, Paris is the one that sounds closer to what I imagined, with Sasha being the most different. It is not that the voice is wrong, but Sasha in my head spoke way more "informal and inelegant". I don't know how to explain it. Current Sasha was a more ladylike version of how I imagined her to sound.

In my opinion though, I would focus first on finishing the story and later look into voice acting, for several reasons. First, I doubt the feature itself is such a selling point. I would be very surprised if one's opinion of the VN is that changed by it. More likely, you have already bought the product or not, and the voice will not swift your opinion more that a few millimetres. Second, with the novel being in development, there is a big danger of a big part of content changing. And even more dangerous, there is always the possibility that the voice actors will not be available in the future, for whatever reasons. By waiting that everything that needs to be voiced is already written you can just ask them to do it all in a row. It is way more likely that they will manage to do that that they will manage/ be available to do it sporadically over several months if not years.

Having said that, the fact that Dev is willing to go to the point of hiring voice actors shows a level of commitment not so commonly seen, which is nice. But well, those are my two cents on the matter. Obviously, I am not trying to tell Dev what to do, just mentioning what I think is best for a project I like. Totally disregard my opinion, I am known for having no common sense.

I appreciate your comments and you have plenty of sense lol. Adding the voices now will not affect how hard I work. For example, I spent 8 hourssitting at my computer and working on the scenes and I will do the same thing today like I have done for the past 8 months.

I give the actors their lines and go work, it doesn't affect my work ethic and how serious I take my art and what I do to make it the best possible. Really appreciate your comments =]

Well, as long as it's like you say and it doesn't take any time away from you producing content first and foremost....
Because if I were a gambling man, I'd wager a poll would more than likely end up with the results something like -
First Place - Story/Sex Content
Second Place - Well Made Animations
Third Place - Voice Acting

Now i'm NOT saying "No voice acting ever/get rid of it!", just saying if ever in the future you have to prioritize something, thats how I, and I believe many would vote.

Now as far as the voice acting itself....
in order of "Best" to "Not as Best", I would rank them -
Miracle
Sasha
Paris

Now I saw before someone calling Miracle's voice a "loli" voice. I disagree. It doesnt come across as a childs voice, rather, possible someone with Puberphonia or perhaps what is sometimes referred to as "Little Girl Voice" in the psychology field. Meaning a childlike voice that may develop in females who have suffered a traumatic experience in their youth.

Now, let me say, none of the voices were so bad that I had to run to the game folder and nuke all the sound files i could find. However, they did come across as a little stilted. Miracle's VA being the least to Paris's being the most of the three. Again, I wouldnt label any of them as outright bad, just that there were a number of times where the lines just felt "hollow", or awkward, just failed to land from time to time. And again, im not saying every line from every VA was like this, just that my higher ranked ones were less noticeable than my lower ranked ones.

And since you are not having the VA's record MC names or labels, you CANNOT leave a space in the middle of a line! Any immersion you have built prior is instantly wiped out by an abrupt pause in the middle of a line read. Since you can't use MC's name or relationship, at least place some kind of Pronouns as a replacement so the isnt any kind of mood killing pause. Granted, I believe there were a few lines you would be able to get away with it, but more often than not, it didnt work at all.



Maybe like eleventy billion other games on this site do and have a "Totally Not Related To You Or Your Game Person" list a patch on Lewdpatcher?



I think the bigger problem would be (with patches be a normal thing nowadays) having to tell the player what they can and cant have their MC called. Because it would be problematic and definitely NOT cost effective to have your voice actors record the same line a million times trying to take into account every possible word a player might want their MC called! lol



What they said

Yeah, I'm just going to have the actors use pronouns like "him" =]

Was hoping the story had progressed from it ending on the last night of the camping trip with sabrina sadly not Voices in my opinion are really not needed, Like the background music in the game and still not bothered about having no animations as the renders and story are by far greater than the rest of the stuff the dev is trying to implement! Really wish he had worked more on progressing the story as it was, instead of trying to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place! Still.. Looking forward to the next update when hopefully the story is worked on again

Adding voice acting has nothing to do with the update. And I have already created the animations and just need to add them to the game.

2 months without an update for VA? Yeah totally not a waste of time and money.

I released an update to my other game HUNGER FOR CHAOS like 3 weeks ago. And I'm releasing PP Ch. 7 to my patrons by the weekend. Voice acting has nothing to do with me working on the game like I did yesterday at will do today.

Morpheus668 explained it very well...
A good advice is not to spend too much time/resources on it, as all of that "voicing" simply is not worth of.

I understand if you don't like it, but you can't say it's not worth it when there are people who do like it. But like I've said before, it does not affect the story and how hard I work to make the best game possible.

I give the actors their lines and go work on the game like I will today =]

 

[Twelvemonkey]

Honestly I play all the games on mute, so this does nothing for me. I'm sure I'm not alone in this regard.

yeah... one hand is all we ever need to play this kind of game right?

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

See, guys? I swear I'm working!

 

[Abhai]

I understand if you don't like it, but you can't say it's not worth it when there are people who do like it. But like I've said before, it does not affect the story and how hard I work to make the best game possible.

I tried to be short as possible, and perhaps i didnt explain it well enough.
It doesnt matter if I or anyone else like/dislike something in the game - there always will be those who like, and those who dont like it.
The important thing, besides your personal preferences/ambitions, is a proper time/resources management. If you have time/resources to add a "voicing" into your game and to not affect updates/dynamics by that, then by all means - go for it!
It could be a nice addon, and something which is fairly rare in these games. Nevermind occasional obstacles, such as dad/him/her pronouncing..etc..ssome of them already noted here, all of that could be resolved in time.
Yet, if the "voicing" will cause, besides more of your resources spending on it, a slower overall development, then there will be a much more of those who will be against that "luxury" over a simple story/images/animations with more frequent updates.

 

[Morpheus668]

See, guys? I swear I'm working! View attachment 643024

well, since you bring up renders
could you PLEASE do me a lil favor...
And never use that male figure again? lol
I mean, granted, least he doesnt look like a douchebag twatwaffle like far too many games MC do. but... I dunno... theres something off about him. He kinda reminds me of -


Ok, I'm mostly just messin with ya.

but no really, he reminds me of some kinda troglodyte

 

[Jacob VK]

I seriously love this game, please give this game unavoidable attention and care... and make this game a perfect one.

 

[Deleted member 1412183]

I tried to be short as possible, and perhaps i didnt explain it well enough.
It doesnt matter if I or anyone else like/dislike something in the game - there always will be those who like, and those who dont like it.
The important thing, besides your personal preferences/ambitions, is a proper time/resources management. If you have time/resources to add a "voicing" into your game and to not affect updates/dynamics by that, then by all means - go for it!
It could be a nice addon, and something which is fairly rare in these games. Nevermind occasional obstacles, such as dad/him/her pronouncing..etc..ssome of them already noted here, all of that could be resolved in time.
Yet, if the "voicing" will cause, besides more of your resources spending on it, a slower overall development, then there will be a much more of those who will be against that "luxury" over a simple story/images/animations with more frequent updates.

Of course, voice acting is just a feature/add-on. I started developing 8 months ago and always had plans to add animations, voice acting, music, etc, but wanted to make sure I had a firm grasp on how to make a visual novel, coming over from being an author and I finally do feel I know what I'm doing now. =]

Thanks for the clarification on your comments

well, since you bring up renders
could you PLEASE do me a lil favor...
And never use that male figure again? lol
I mean, granted, least he doesnt look like a douchebag twatwaffle like far too many games MC do. but... I dunno... theres something off about him. He kinda reminds me of -
View attachment 643133

Ok, I'm mostly just messin with ya.

but no really, he reminds me of some kinda troglodyte

Lol I'll be sure to look for the sexist male model, just for you next time.

I seriously love this game, please give this game unavoidable attention and care... and make this game a perfect one.

Lol Trust me, I work my absolute hardest to make this the best game I can make, and that will never change

 

[micojive]

I don't think this is necessarily true. I have seen this work in other games. You just have to be careful. For example, when it is written "Stop telling DADDY what to do", the voice can say ""Stop telling him what to do", a simple "Kiss me, DADDY" "Kiss me, you". It does take analyzing line by line to see what sounds more natural and specially it requires some forward looking when writing dialogues.

Eh, imo if you are giving the player the option to name a character, it is to show some personal attachment to them...if you don't even bother using the name they give why give the option in the first place.

After reading through some other comments on here I'll agree with a few of them. This is very obviously an incest game, Patreon has there rules which you are following but come on, noone is that stupid. If you won't have the voice actors call it like it is, why even make incest in the first place.

The hot thing about Incest is the taboo behind it, it is doing something you are not supposed to be doing. There is a reason the daddy play is so popular in real porn, and if you are using voice acting then just do it. HEARING someone call you "daddy" is what is hot, not "Hey, thanks for the sex guy"

On top of all that, I just read so much faster than all the spoken text, it gets muted instantly because it would make the game 5x longer to play.

 

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I have a dumb question: why does it say
" CH.6 (Voiced-CH1). " the part in parenthesis makes me think only Ch 1 has been voiced/ had music added

 

[Morpheus668]

Eh, imo if you are giving the player the option to name a character, it is to show some personal attachment to them...if you don't even bother using the name they give why give the option in the first place.

are you really suggesting a voice actor sits down with a big ol' book of names and the proceeds to to record the same line 4,657,297 times over cuz anything other than that is a "well why bother having options at all"?!?!?!

The time/financial costs would blow through the roof, let alone the file size ballooning to unwieldy sizes thanks to the audio files suddenly becoming like 1000 times larger!

 

[Morpheus668]

I have a dumb question: why does it say
" CH.6 (Voiced-CH1). " the part in parenthesis makes me think only Ch 1 has been voiced/ had music added

Yes, as of now, only chapter 1 has voice & music

 

[Morpheus668]

Lol I'll be sure to look for the sexist male model, just for you next time.

 

[MrFriendly]

I'm going to add my voice to those that are saying that VA isn't necessary. I am excited to see some animations but hopefully not ones that are just choppy 5 second loops. Honestly was disappointed when I saw that PP was "updated" and found out it was just VA for 1 chapter. Excited to see more new content soon.

 

[Belnick]

you have to understand that patreon bans incest so I couldn't possibly make the voice actors say anything related to that, or risk getting my page banned.

voice actors work on patreon? or why not let them record that as well, but release as unofficial or they will link it to you?

 

[Ayhsel]

Eh, imo if you are giving the player the option to name a character, it is to show some personal attachment to them...if you don't even bother using the name they give why give the option in the first place.

After reading through some other comments on here I'll agree with a few of them. This is very obviously an incest game, Patreon has there rules which you are following but come on, noone is that stupid. If you won't have the voice actors call it like it is, why even make incest in the first place.

The hot thing about Incest is the taboo behind it, it is doing something you are not supposed to be doing. There is a reason the daddy play is so popular in real porn, and if you are using voice acting then just do it. HEARING someone call you "daddy" is what is hot, not "Hey, thanks for the sex guy"

On top of all that, I just read so much faster than all the spoken text, it gets muted instantly because it would make the game 5x longer to play.

Pretty much eveybody reads faster. It also happens in games I mentioned from Bioware, for example. So I don't see why you mention this. Voices will always need a slower playthrough

And I agree with you about reading the daddy is one of the reasons people enjoy incest games and the taboo explanation, overall.

Neither those two reasons are to say that including voices cannot be done when there is flexibility about the relationships and names (not saying you said that). But it is undeniable that there need to be some compromise. You cannot give full flexibility about and voices. But with effort you can give a nice feeling. That is, you will read original text, with daddy included, but voice will be slightly different. Not the best of worlds but some compromise.

Finally, having voices is always a dominating choice over not having anything as you can mute them, PROVIDED that including the voices does not hamper the production of the game. Dev already said this is the case so just think about voices as addons.

In my case I can todally live without voices. Even more, I can totally live without animations and lots of stuff. It is the story, writing and setting that are the main driver of why I read something. In fact, in Where it all began I posted how i wish animations were less or left till story was over, as they are slowing total production quite a lot. But if Dev here can keep it under control, eveything included is a plus.

Music, though, is extremely welcome, as a lot of the feeling of a scene can be combeyed through the music.

 

[Morpheus668]

I'm going to add my voice to those that are saying that VA isn't necessary. I am excited to see some animations but hopefully not ones that are just choppy 5 second loops. Honestly was disappointed when I saw that PP was "updated" and found out it was just VA for 1 chapter. Excited to see more new content soon.

eh, whilst I agree that 5 second loops arent really worthwhile, I think the bigger crime are 5 FPS animations! Pretty sure those make peoples eyes bleed! lol

 

[micojive]

are you really suggesting a voice actor sits down with a big ol' book of names and the proceeds to to record the same line 4,657,297 times over cuz anything other than that is a "well why bother having options at all"?!?!?!

The time/financial costs would blow through the roof, let alone the file size ballooning to unwieldy sizes thanks to the audio files suddenly becoming like 100 times larger!

...what. I'm suggesting that if the dev wanted to use a voice actor that have a set name for the characters and don't let people choose... So the voice actors can actually call each other by name, and not hey guy to every male in the game...or hey girl to every female.

Its just respectful to use names when greeting people you know.

 

[Morpheus668]

...what. I'm suggesting that if the dev wanted to use a voice actor that have a set name for the characters and don't let people choose... So the voice actors can actually call each other by name, and not hey guy to every male in the game...or hey girl to every female.

Sorry, but im running on no sleep at the moment. I think I know what youre trying to say, but Im not exactly sure I follow

Its just respectful to use names when greeting people you know.

Yes, I agree

 

[the66]

I have a dumb question: why does it say
" CH.6 (Voiced-CH1). " the part in parenthesis makes me think only Ch 1 has been voiced/ had music added

good, mission accomplished.