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But that's what he is doing. He is working on delivery. This isn't a visual novel where you are literally just waiting on the DEV's gerbil powered machine to render a bunch of DAZ scenes. I've watched his streams and the amount of effort it takes to manage assets and infrastructure are a non-zero amount. Just because you are paying and want an update doesn't mean you are going to get one. That's not how this work.
It's real easy to just add sex scenes. But then what? It will be called "shallow". Someone's always going to complain for some reason, so the best course of action is to do what you know is right.
My belief is when people talk about the potential of this game, its driven largely by this "isn't a visual novel where you are literally just waiting on the DEV's gerbil powered machine to render a bunch of DAZ scenes." However, at some point, many will leave a restaurant, never come back and tell others not to come if the food is slow way to arrive - no matter how good the food may be. On top of that, the Dev seems to act a like a child when he perceives a negative comment instead of seeing a potential opportunity for improvement.
Additionally, it's difficult to rationalize why he couldnt finish one or two scenes he started and worked (or still working) on walking, dress systems, couches and malls and after. It's like he heard a bunch of possible future patrons say..."cant wait for a scene to finish" and he thought "screw them, I'll work the clothing system" while talking about financial problems.
I believe people want this game to finish and are worried it wont because of foolishnes rather than lack of talent. It's easy to burn out if funds dont start rolling in. He has to deliver the appetizer that is being ordered, not just what he wants to make, if he wants his audience to stay for the full meal.
It's fine to not have the patience for a product that is taking too long for you to make. But that's a different than not understanding why the product is taking a long time.
Your restaurant falls metaphor falls flat because you didn't order a 3 course meal and aren't being given that. You are supporting the development of a game. You are not paying for sex scenes. You can literally find porn anywhere on the internet for free. There a dozens of already completed games where you can get sex scenes. If you are interested in Pizza Hot you are supporting the development of Pizza Hot and that's literally what he wants to make, despite what impatient people may believe.
Your inability to rationalize the development process of a video game is a fault of your own, not the developer. It's one thing to demand that a faulty game have its faults managed in a reasonable time, its another to demand that a game be developed on your terms. It would be "foolish" to release a half completed system to appease others only for it to operate poorly, lose support, and then still have to go back and fix the rushed system.
You say the dev acts like a child to criticism, his FREE Discord has an entire "public suggestions" with tons of suggestions, which are seriously considered and discussed. I'm curious to see what the "negative criticism" was that he reacted poorly to because in my experience he has been very open to criticism. I have personally challenged him on a few design decisions and have had nothing but peaceful and productive conversations which have even helped me with my own project.
The negative criticism is that he was confronted about promising hardcore content "very soon" and monthly updates when this project launched over a year ago. He's now saying that he can't meet these expectations, as he works on a "necessary" clothing system and "necessary" customer interactions and a "necessary" mall. Yet, he leaves the very same message with the same promises at the top of his SubscribeStar page, despite knowing and admitting that that's not happening. We're not talking about "design decisions" here. We're talking about him not delivering on his core promises.
You are right...I haven't ordered the three course meal...because of the message of everyone leaving the restaurant is saying! Birds of a feather...
Is there a thing with devs where they literally ignore the message of people wanting to consume their creation? Or worse, hear it and get angry at it?
A little bit of business 101...if you take money from customers, you at least partially agree to their terms. But I havent given money you say? Yes, but I have given time and time is money. Also, be real, that discord is mainly dominated by those like you.
Not every message of every consumer is worth listening too. Simple as that. You aren't paying for a finished product. You are supporting the development of the game. If you want a finished product go purchase a finished product. Supporters like you aren't even good for the health of the product. You have a number of avenues to get information regarding the status and progress of the project. How ever much or however many people want the product doesn't make it magically go faster.
The dev should certainly update copy on his subscribestar. But it seems like you all are using that outdated message more of as a reason to complain that you aren't getting what you wanted than to provide actual criticism regarding the development process of the game. You put "Necessary" in quotes as if those are not key systems to the game. Do you know what you are supporting?
i really like this game, i just wish there would be more of it. i would be tempted to support this game, if there is a big enough content update to show a steady progress. The art is nice but also the dialog and scenes are well written, which i care most about. i am still in hope for more. I sadly know that progress with content can be slow if you consider also having good art aswell, so i am willing to wait for it. Best wishes for good time management.
To add a little bit more, and then I'll leave it altogether because I already gave my few scents back when this was all new (and by the way, I'm not even a supporter in SubscribeStar but there are other means to support too)
Let's try to put ourselves in the position of Abelius, the game developer. What are the things he needs to work on? Remember that this is a two man team, Abelius and their friend who does the artwork if I recall correctly from the SubscribeStar. Abelius needs to animate, which takes a heck of a lot of time to do properly, before animating he needs to rig the characters and make sure everything works properly, he needs to develop a clothing system, which portrays it's own issues, he needs to do the mall which is also another hefty chunk. The restaurant, everything the world will be having.
Then he needs to make sure the mechanics also work as intended and nothing causes major issues (which is hard to do as it's a two man team and two people will not be able to find a big majority of the bugs lurking around, most bugs come up when the game is given to a major audience). What mechanics are in the game thus far? Jenny changing clothes, making sure exhibitionism gain and the other one which I currently don't remember work fine, working at the restaurant (picking up a trail, asking customers for what they want, going to fetch the beverages, asking the chef [forgot his name] to make the dish, replenishing beverages when they run out) and many other things.
Storywriting also takes considerable time, especially the kind of storywriting Abelius does, which is very high quality.
Managing the sexual events we currently have in the city, which, believe it or not.. is no small quantity for what we have. There are like six or so versions of the exhibitionism event with the asian guy that does your muscles [I also forgot about the name, forgive me XD], there's the Jenny groping event and then there's the new one which requires exhibitionism levels and the guy exposes Jenny's bra. It's a one time thing, but still. [And actually this event required the addition of the clothing system, otherwise it wouldn't have been possible]. The lesbian event with the roommate in the shower, roommate's dad masturbating behind Jenny's back. The masturbation minigame if Jenny goes to sleep with enough hornyness. Let's be honest, there's plenty of sex scenes in the game for a very early in development game.
Do you all believe that this is done in a month? I'm sorry to inform you that it's not the case, it is humanly impossible to get all of those things done in a month and done in the quality that Abelius has done it. If I remember correctly, Abelius informed people that he was going to change the way updates rolled out as it was no longer feasible.
And I only mentioned the mechanics that are already in the game, this upcoming update (which Abelius clearly stated will bring lots of content to the restaurant, and sex scenes are included in those) will have even more mechanics. Finally Jenny will have a proper working attire, there will be the addition of drunkness levels and bladder (which is probably how the events will be triggered), you will be able to spend time talking with your customers, which will make the customer you're talking to happy but the others will be left unattended, and I'm sure there's many more things that we haven't been told about that are in the works.
This requires far more time than people seem to understand.
Besides, from the few interactions I've managed to witness (and the replies I've got from him) he was always super respectful towards others and was super open minded in regards to suggestions.
Words have power people, it is discouraging for Abelius as a developer to always hear: "This is not enough"
If I have the means to, I'd definitely be supporting Abelius right now because I know he'll be bringing quality updates to the game, no matter how long they may take. Sex alone doesn't make a game.
I hope this manages to bring some insight and help set expectations accordingly.
Let's try to put ourselves in the position of Abelius, the game developer. What are the things he needs to work on? Remember that this is a two man team, Abelius and their friend who does the artwork if I recall correctly from the SubscribeStar. Abelius needs to animate, which takes a heck of a lot of time to do properly, before animating he needs to rig the characters and make sure everything works properly, he needs to develop a clothing system, which portrays it's own issues, he needs to do the mall which is also another hefty chunk. The restaurant, everything the world will be having.
Then he needs to make sure the mechanics also work as intended and nothing causes major issues (which is hard to do as it's a two man team and two people will not be able to find a big majority of the bugs lurking around, most bugs come up when the game is given to a major audience). What mechanics are in the game thus far? Jenny changing clothes, making sure exhibitionism gain and the other one which I currently don't remember work fine, working at the restaurant (picking up a trail, asking customers for what they want, going to fetch the beverages, asking the chef [forgot his name] to make the dish, replenishing beverages when they run out) and many other things.
Storywriting also takes considerable time, especially the kind of storywriting Abelius does, which is very high quality.
Managing the sexual events we currently have in the city, which, believe it or not.. is no small quantity for what we have. There are like six or so versions of the exhibitionism event with the asian guy that does your muscles [I also forgot about the name, forgive me XD], there's the Jenny groping event and then there's the new one which requires exhibitionism levels and the guy exposes Jenny's bra. It's a one time thing, but still. [And actually this event required the addition of the clothing system, otherwise it wouldn't have been possible]. The lesbian event with the roommate in the shower, roommate's dad masturbating behind Jenny's back. The masturbation minigame if Jenny goes to sleep with enough hornyness. Let's be honest, there's plenty of sex scenes in the game for a very early in development game.
Do you all believe that this is done in a month? I'm sorry to inform you that it's not the case, it is humanly impossible to get all of those things done in a month and done in the quality that Abelius has done it. If I remember correctly, Abelius informed people that he was going to change the way updates rolled out as it was no longer feasible.
And I only mentioned the mechanics that are already in the game, this upcoming update (which Abelius clearly stated will bring lots of content to the restaurant, and sex scenes are included in those) will have even more mechanics. Finally Jenny will have a proper working attire, there will be the addition of drunkness levels and bladder (which is probably how the events will be triggered), you will be able to spend time talking with your customers, which will make the customer you're talking to happy but the others will be left unattended, and I'm sure there's many more things that we haven't been told about that are in the works.
This requires far more time than people seem to understand.
Besides, from the few interactions I've managed to witness (and the replies I've got from him) he was always super respectful towards others and was super open minded in regards to suggestions.
Words have power people, it is discouraging for Abelius as a developer to always hear: "This is not enough"
If I have the means to, I'd definitely be supporting Abelius right now because I know he'll be bringing quality updates to the game, no matter how long they may take. Sex alone doesn't make a game.
I hope this manages to bring some insight and help set expectations accordingly.
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Tell me, what would be actual criticism to you? "Wow, this isn't what I want, and it's not what a lot of people want, and this isn't what you promised, but here, take my money and keep working on things that can wait." Did you miss the part about this being Abelius's livelihood? He's not doing this as a side project in his free time. He's doing this as his full-time job and losing money while doing it because he's not working on the content that people want to see. No one would be supporting this game if there was not the promise of sexual content, which he has had over a year to deliver on. Abelius is making LESS money than he was this time last month. Why do you think that is?
Again you are correct "Not every message of every consumer is worth listening to". However, seems he only listens to those who tells him what he wants to hear. Also, you are correct - definitely not paying for a finished product. I am hoping for a finished product which I would pay for if it reaches its potential. Supporters like me not good for the finished product? Why? Because of saying things he doesnt want to hear?
Put some context in it. I've only ever commented on this game because my opinion is that this game is worth it. Additionally, I've never said this game should go any faster than its going. My comments are about him working on things that may cause this audience to subscribe. It takes time to program dress physics and heal clicks. Also takes time to finish the shower scene. I would think the majority of the audience here would be more motivated by the shower scene. That may lead to more money coming every month for him - which increases the likelyhood of a finished product in the end.
Hi, im new to f95.
94 Pages reading.. Well, let me say: i like this game, and yes i support it.
I understand both sides here*.
First Point:
MONEY.
The Developer needs money to work.
Second Point:
MONEY*.
What ppls see:
1. Subscribestar = 2000$
2. Patreon = 242$
So. Im not the Dev and im not know what crazy bills he/she needs to pay. But in my case (germany) it whould be a paycheck for 1 month of work (just me^^). With this amount of money i could sit at home all the day and pay my bills.
I dont know where the dev is located, but 2,242$ a month sounds well enough to work on a project full time.
Most Critics here seems to go for: "No Update. No Progress." <- Thats what ppls see !
The Reason why there are no more supporters ? No more progress.
So. I JUST called what ppls see !
In developers sight: "No Progress. No Future." "No Community. No Future." "No Money. No Future."
Got it ? sry for my bad english. i just rock @ coding
94 Pages reading.. Well, let me say: i like this game, and yes i support it.
I understand both sides here*.
First Point:
MONEY.
The Developer needs money to work.
Second Point:
MONEY*.
What ppls see:
1. Subscribestar = 2000$
2. Patreon = 242$
So. Im not the Dev and im not know what crazy bills he/she needs to pay. But in my case (germany) it whould be a paycheck for 1 month of work (just me^^). With this amount of money i could sit at home all the day and pay my bills.
I dont know where the dev is located, but 2,242$ a month sounds well enough to work on a project full time.
Most Critics here seems to go for: "No Update. No Progress." <- Thats what ppls see !
The Reason why there are no more supporters ? No more progress.
So. I JUST called what ppls see !
In developers sight: "No Progress. No Future." "No Community. No Future." "No Money. No Future."
Got it ? sry for my bad english. i just rock @ coding
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Hi, i don´t know where in germany you live, but it must be a dirt cheap place....Hi, im new to f95.
94 Pages reading.. Well, let me say: i like this game, and yes i support it.
I understand both sides here*.
First Point:
MONEY.
The Developer needs money to work.
Second Point:
MONEY*.
What ppls see:
1. Subscribestar = 2000$
2. Patreon = 242$
So. Im not the Dev and im not know what crazy bills he/she needs to pay. But in my case (germany) it whould be a paycheck for 1 month of work (just me^^). With this amount of money i could sit at home all the day and pay my bills.
I dont know where the dev is located, but 2,242$ a month sounds well enough to work on a project full time.
Most Critics here seems to go for: "No Update. No Progress." <- Thats what ppls see !
The Reason why there are no more supporters ? No more progress.
So. I JUST called what ppls see !
In developers sight: "No Progress. No Future." "No Community. No Future." "No Money. No Future."
Got it ? sry for my bad english. i just rock @ coding
I can tell that when you live in a big city in the northern half of the country 2000 bucks will not be enough
fot a family (wife, 1 child) to go along "comfortably". (well, maybe if you really only sit at home and pay the bills, forget about car, books, cinema, ice cream, holydays and the like...)
Apartment rent alone goes by 20,- € / square meter.
Then you still need FOOD and ENERGY (You know how much a computer with a good graphic set up "eats" ?)
That said, i can understand people getting put off by abelius answers sometime
but since i don´t like when someone is being friendly only because of money i´m ok with his "communication-style".
I´m supporting him (not that much ´cause i live in said expensive place) and will do hopefully till the game is done.
Here in the US that pays your rent and nothing else.
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LET`S GO TO GREECE !!In Greece with 2000 euros a month you are rich.
You can actually sustain a family of four with half that money.In Greece with 2000 euros a month you are rich.