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Ergast

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Again. Your own mon have illegal moves too. So actually, you can do what your enemies can do.
Now, if you don't really know how to play pokemon you should not complain about illegal moves either since the game IS balanced.
As I told Sintax, at least for me the main matter is the lack of explanation about why they had those illegal moves. And it doesn't help when, in many cases, LEGAL moves would do the same job (or better), without being, you know, illegal. By example, giving Zangoose Nightslash instead of Cut. Sure, it loses 5 potency... and gains improved critical chance, and it is totally legal (Fake Out doesn't have any equivalent, though, unless we use Fling with King's Rock)

If it was explained, as in "those mons were experiments from Team Creation or were affected by said experiments", to give an example, at least there would be a reason IN game about why you don't have access to those moves on those pokemon. And your waifumon are aberrations, which explains WHY they have those moves. If there were another waifu gardevoir from the same experiment, teoretically it would have the same moves as yours. If we face other modified mons, even those that we won't have access, it wouldn't be illegal moves if those mons moveset actually includes those moves.

What I found hilarious is the fact that, according to the PBS last time I checked it, pupjaw HAS an illegal move in the first fight, and one designed to make the first fight less of a lottery, when it would be easy to just give it to his moveset and make it legal XD

Ultimately, the game IS unfair. Not hard, you have the tools to beat, even crush, the trainers, but unfair, and without any explanation in story about it.
 

AZJ1

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My point is essentially this: There are rules in place. Either keep them or change them, but don't break them.
Dude, when has it ever been said that a parody game HAS to follow the rules of its source game? Also, there are many instances where learn sets are modified in future official games, does that bother you too? Unless you're heavily relying on wiki sites or previous knowledge to help you beat the CPUs it shouldn't matter anyway. Treat it like a new game where learn sets could be altered with no given reason as to why. Claiming they have "illegal moves" is solely based on your thinking that this game is required to follow the original source nearly identically, (especially when your response to knowing your own mons have "illegal" and broken moves was that they shouldn't exist either).
Look, consider the following: You are in a competitive environment. You know the rules, and so does your opponent. You've always followed them in the past, because you've needed to in order to be able to play. Suddenly, out of nowhere, your opponent breaks the rules by having something they couldn't have yet (or ever, potentially) and no one cares. It's against the rules, and yet no one bats an eye. Is that fair for you, having to play by these rules when your opponent doesn't? If the scenario was swapped, would it be fair for your opponent? If both of you did it, would it be fair for everyone else in that competitive environment?
I don't understand why you assume the rules are the same when, in official games, they change from game to game. You have access to broken moves that easily outclass your opponents', along with absurd synergies between many of said custom moves. The basics are still the same: no typing effectiveness changes, no battle mechanics changes, etc. There is no one else in this "competitive environment", just you.
 
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AZJ1

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There is no requirement that Sintax has to provide reasons for altered learn sets. Official games change learn sets of older mons from game to game without any explanation, so i don't understand why he would have to.
 

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Does anyone know how to switch pokemon when youve used all 6? Im trying to use vulprix or however you spell it but cant
 

blubbervink

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Does anyone know how to switch pokemon when youve used all 6? Im trying to use vulprix or however you spell it but cant
In the pokemon centres are computers. Interact with them, go to someone's PC and you will acces the box system. Let me know if you need more guidance.
 

alamal

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So I have 2 questions

1. Do those shiny digging spots in the caves respawn? Because I suck ass at that mini game

2. will the asha x her Pokémon scenes be optional?

Also, great work so far, the battles are fun and the story is pretty interesting.
 

blubbervink

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So I have 2 questions

1. Do those shiny digging spots in the caves respawn? Because I suck ass at that mini game

2. will the asha x her Pokémon scenes be optional?

Also, great work so far, the battles are fun and the story is pretty interesting.
All H scenes are optional. So probably yeah.
 
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KAMrecorder

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Hi SINtax EroRR!
Pretty good game, the artwork looks very, very nice!
I want to report an error, in the casino when I bought Mystic Water, I was given Soft Sand instead.
 
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LostWayfarer

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So I have 2 questions

1. Do those shiny digging spots in the caves respawn? Because I suck ass at that mini game

2. will the asha x her Pokémon scenes be optional?

Also, great work so far, the battles are fun and the story is pretty interesting.
The shiny digging spots in caves reset daily. Like each in real life day they respawn. Been mining in hopes of the evolution stones and heart scales myself.

Thinking of that, do dusk stones have a chance of being dug out? Really want to get one since I like the Litwick line from using it in BW.
 
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blubbervink

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The shiny digging spots in caves reset daily. Like each in real life day they respawn. Been mining in hopes of the evolution stones and heart scales myself.

Thinking of that, do dusk stones have a chance of being dug out? Really want to get one since I like the Litwick line from using it in BW.
Right. Daily, Thank you.
 

sir_gamer

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Thinking of that, do dusk stones have a chance of being dug out? Really want to get one since I like the Litwick line from using it in BW.
The items you can dig up are the same ones you can dig up in the Gen 4 games. So you can't dig up Dusk Stones, Shiny Stones, or Dawn Stones.
 
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alamal

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The shiny digging spots in caves reset daily. Like each in real life day they respawn. Been mining in hopes of the evolution stones and heart scales myself.

Thinking of that, do dusk stones have a chance of being dug out? Really want to get one since I like the Litwick line from using it in BW.
I think I found a dusk stone in the lopunny side quest in the mall. I’m not sure if flash would work but the entire side quest takes place in a dark area so I’d recommend bringing a duskkull with flash or something. Also the pokemon in the side quest are kinda beefy so get your level up first
 

TheeSonus

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Ok. Final reply from me.
Rules? You are talking about rules from the other games. Why? Who cares? This game is clearly doing something different. You dont like it? Fine. You are entitled to your opinion. But dont argue that the game is unfair, cause it is not.
You're absolutely free to not reply to this as you said, but if you do, please tell me how it's fair that you can have the exact same mons your opponent has but not be able to have the same moves on them, or vice versa.
Dude, when has it ever been said that a parody game HAS to follow the rules of its source game? Also, there are many instances where learn sets are modified in future official games, does that bother you too? Unless you're heavily relying on wiki sites or previous knowledge to help you beat the CPUs it shouldn't matter anyway. Treat it like a new game where learn sets could be altered with no given reason as to why. Claiming they have "illegal moves" is solely based on your thinking that this game is required to follow the original source nearly identically, (especially when your response to knowing your own mons have "illegal" and broken moves was that they shouldn't exist either).

I don't understand why you assume the rules are the same when, in official games, they change from game to game. You have access to broken moves that easily outclass your opponents', along with absurd synergies between many of said custom moves. The basics are still the same: no typing effectiveness changes, no battle mechanics changes, etc. There is no one else in this "competitive environment", just you.
I'm sure someone said that at some point, but not me. And, while I can see how you think that's my point, it isn't... at least not mainly, anyways. I think the game should follow ITS OWN rules.
You know Jason's Zangoose with Cut and Fake Out?
I just opened debug mode. Zangoose can't learn either. Not from levelling, not from HM/TM/Move Tutors, and not from breeding. Though weirdly enough it can learn Aerial Ace... huh.
You know Joey's Mightyena? Yeah, can't learn Fake Out either.
I'm sure there are others as well, especially now that there's been so much more content added, I just don't know of them yet. If people let me know of them though, I'll be glad to go into debug and check it out once more.

I'll steal the words of someone else here, as they put it far better than I have:
Your opponent isn't beating you because they're better or you're worse, they'll beat you because they have access to things you don't and can't have. The game is ignoring its own rules to create a challenge for the player, this is inherently bad design on the level of rubber-banding in racing games.
Granted, the "beating you" part may or may not apply due to how absolutely busted your starter is, but my point remains that it is unfair. Not in difficulty, but in the fact your opponent breaks the rules by having something you can't.
 

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You're absolutely free to not reply to this as you said, but if you do, please tell me how it's fair that you can have the exact same mons your opponent has but not be able to have the same moves on them, or vice versa.

I'm sure someone said that at some point, but not me. And, while I can see how you think that's my point, it isn't... at least not mainly, anyways. I think the game should follow ITS OWN rules.
You know Jason's Zangoose with Cut and Fake Out?
I just opened debug mode. Zangoose can't learn either. Not from levelling, not from HM/TM/Move Tutors, and not from breeding. Though weirdly enough it can learn Aerial Ace... huh.
You know Joey's Mightyena? Yeah, can't learn Fake Out either.
I'm sure there are others as well, especially now that there's been so much more content added, I just don't know of them yet. If people let me know of them though, I'll be glad to go into debug and check it out once more.

I'll steal the words of someone else here, as they put it far better than I have:


Granted, the "beating you" part may or may not apply due to how absolutely busted your starter is, but my point remains that it is unfair. Not in difficulty, but in the fact your opponent breaks the rules by having something you can't.
Don't like it? tough luck. You want to whine about 'unfair'? Guess what else is unfair. Only you as the player have access to waifumons with unique abilities and pumped-up stats. Your opponents don't.


So following the rules of the game set by ME, I'd say we're keeping with the rules. Everyone is 'unfair'. Consistent aint it?

The whole point of providing opponents an 'illegal moveset' is to shake things up and keep players on their toes. If I kept everything the same as the Mainstream games, there would be no surprise, and nothing to keep players wary. Complain all you like, you're simply not the target demographic if you're this picky over a conscious decision to change the game up to encourage players to not underestimate their opponents or rely on their base knowledge alone to win.
 
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Y.F.Y.

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I think I have found an Error (No catastrophic or anything really), or maybe something someone missed
On the Team Creation Base in Nephilim Forest the two trainer at the entrance I suppose that they are like the one of inside to have a double battle Two vs Two, they don't trigger like that.
 

blubbervink

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I think I have found an Error (No catastrophic or anything really), or maybe something someone missed
On the Team Creation Base in Nephilim Forest the two trainer at the entrance I suppose that they are like the one of inside to have a double battle Two vs Two, they don't trigger like that.
Pretty sure it's intended to be 2 1v1's. The two gruns at the entrance inside were originally 1v1's too
 
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