ankhtar

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One day I will understand how y'all manage to get so much str/mag, lol. No matter what I do, I never seem to be able to go over the 30s, except on Evo herself.
 

clockwinding

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So, most of you probably know that you get two Starter Essences depending on the primary species of your two starting partners, but did you know that you get a much stronger second essence for taking two partners with the same primary species? I didn't, because why would you do that? Anyways, I've added them to the wiki page:


Some standouts include the ability to inflict 30 lDmg to the entire enemy team at the start of the battle, free Strength charges on Charge attacks, starting battles with 3 AP, gaining shields that are 1:1 with healing received, and having massive overworld vision.
Another day where i'll go to bed smar- with more stuff in my head.
 

tehlemon

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So, most of you probably know that you get two Starter Essences depending on the primary species of your two starting partners, but did you know that you get a much stronger second essence for taking two partners with the same primary species? I didn't, because why would you do that? Anyways, I've added them to the wiki page:


Some standouts include the ability to inflict 30 lDmg to the entire enemy team at the start of the battle, free Strength charges on Charge attacks, starting battles with 3 AP, gaining shields that are 1:1 with healing received, and having massive overworld vision.
Oh shit, I did not know that. That makes me rethink my standard starter...

One day I will understand how y'all manage to get so much str/mag, lol. No matter what I do, I never seem to be able to go over the 30s, except on Evo herself.
I mean, there's no hidden trick to it. Pick a character with the appropriate leveling types, max their magic or strength genes, then add 10 perks that boost those stats.
 

Nagirte

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Magic can take longer to get huge amounts of, because a number of the perks are exclusive to Unique characters that get fed to you gradually, and [for me at least] Posessed is relatively rare.

Stat growth is a big one; you can look at a species/Unique's stat growth by going into Fusion and playing with the sorting tabs, or looking them up on the wiki. Even if you stack genes and perks, if their Level Type isn't magic and they're a species with 0.2 Magic growth then they wont end up very impressive.

Final advice: always take the first option in the first Story portal, it gets you the Empowered perk which boosts everything by 25% (which you then breed -> fuse onto everyone else). The other options give you an okay species and a good accessory, but they just dont compare.
 

tehlemon

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[for me at least] Posessed is relatively rare.
Dude, yes. I feel vindicated all the sudden. Something with the last version of the game made that perk impossible to find reliably. I used to be able to do it, but not any more.
 

clockwinding

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Dude, yes. I feel vindicated all the sudden. Something with the last version of the game made that perk impossible to find reliably. I used to be able to do it, but not any more.
I'm sorry, do you mean "i only find possessed units in the daily arena fights where getting the unit is impossible" ? That's what i'm living through and it's hell :LOL:
 

Tattletale21

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so i think i found an issue or a bug or something. i made it to avy's world after feeding the familiar enough to become a portal ripper. then i enter, find the city, and then it's just random chances of getting succubus alchemists, succubus trainers, or a city guard battle encounter. anyone know what i need to do, if i need to do anything, to continue avy's quest? i wanna get her teacher so i can round off my succubus-only team

EDIT: i'm supposed to enter the city outlining the city centre first, then the city. for anyone else with this issue try that first. bring avy, obviously
 
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tehlemon

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so i think i found an issue or a bug or something. i made it to avy's world after feeding the familiar enough to become a portal ripper. then i enter, find the city, and then it's just random chances of getting succubus alchemists, succubus trainers, or a city guard battle encounter. anyone know what i need to do, if i need to do anything, to continue avy's quest? i wanna get her teacher so i can round off my succubus-only team

EDIT: i'm supposed to enter the city outlining the city centre first, then the city. for anyone else with this issue try that first. bring avy, obviously
I'm going to be honest, I've never actually tried going directly to the center without triggering Avy's bit in the outside loop. That issue could have been there for years and I'd never have known.

I'm guessing you have to trigger the scene at her place before you can trigger the next one?
 

ankhtar

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Can confirm, you obviously need to bring Avy and then trigger her house scene outside of the center tile to progress with that quest. I just find it strange that Xhana is oddly absent from the whole thing.
 

fogginstance

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IMO; not worth it. alt main characters are mostly always going to be terrible unless the cost of boosting their genetics is SEVERELY reduced in character creation (4 genetics in a single stat costs the same as hatcher perk; 10 points! completely ridiculous). they're even worse than crea, who can at least still adapt SOME characters.

removing individual sex-training makes getting sexmaster/god extremely difficult. also pretty miffed that regular training was removed, which makes it much more difficult to recruit meira (& get her super valuable healing silk). whole update seems to be mostly nerfs aside from the 4th character stuff. angel/demonpotential, eggmastery, druid, casual dating exp, and starting element bonuses were all nerfed. nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf.

frankly, only part of the update i like is that you can recruit some unique quicker (anyone who had multiple events, like pyrea or devy). also the new "mc" is cute.
 

tehlemon

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Damn, I was too slow...

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Seems like a very general update.

IMO; not worth it. alt main characters are mostly always going to be terrible unless the cost of boosting their genetics is SEVERELY reduced in character creation (4 genetics in a single stat costs the same as hatcher perk; 10 points! completely ridiculous). they're even worse than crea, who can at least still adapt SOME characters.
IDK, some people really seem to enjoy the alt character runs. Not me, but some of the people in this thread lol

But yeah, they do generally just seem like a worse version of whatever else I could be playing. Good for challenge runs, but I'm personally just not playing enough to care about challenge runs these days.


removing individual sex-training makes getting sexmaster/god extremely difficult
I hadn't even thought about that. I don't think I've bothered using the individual sex training outside of character quests in like, two years

also pretty miffed that regular training was removed, which makes it much more difficult to recruit meira (& get her super valuable healing silk).
Wait, which training was removed? It doesn't say anything about removing the arena training. That might be a bug.

Not that I ever used that either. I just went into the starting portal and made the MC run away. Then I let a bunch of NPCs get injured before going home to trigger Meira's recruitment scene.

Even if it was removed, it's still really easy to recruit her on the first available day.

whole update seems to be mostly nerfs aside from the 4th character stuff. angel/demonpotential, eggmastery, druid, casual dating exp, and starting element bonuses were all nerfed. nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf nerf.

frankly, only part of the update i like is that you can recruit some unique quicker (anyone who had multiple events, like pyrea or devy). also the new "mc" is cute.
Eh, it just seems like removing features that most people didn't really use and adding more alt-character stuff and the tutorial MC. And a lot of those nerfs needed to happen, like the casual card scores being reduced. You'll still be able to get 100+ score dates, just not on the first day.
 
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fogginstance

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Just discovered; Lava broodqueens also got nerfed to be female only, but not regular broodqueens. The only base species to be genderlocked. But I guess it's fine since nobody uses them, right? I wonder what other major nerfs are still hiding.

But yeah, they do generally just seem like a worse version of whatever else I could be playing. Good for challenge runs, but I'm personally just not playing enough to care about challenge runs these days.
That's not really the point; they're worse versions of THEMSELVES. Take a completely non-notable combat unit like Devy. To get Player!Devy to have the same genetics as NPC!Devy, you'd need to spend 20 points in character creator. To get a single stat's genetics up to 4 costs as much as the Hatcher perk (10). That's still also true for Crea.

I don't think I've bothered using the individual sex training outside of character quests in like, two years
Sexmaster/god give a HUGE bonus to recruitment chances, increase the rate at which paired partners will milk each other in the farm (which is critical for crafting, since farm pairings are limited), and give a big bonus to brothel work. And individual sextraining is 10x faster than any other method. AND it was one of only two ways to increase the cap (aside from paired farming, which can take several in-game days). Now, if you've got a unit who's stuck at skilled on everything, you can just go fuck yourself or wait 20 days I guess. Individual sex-training was a way bigger mechanic than 4th players, even if you don't use it. And, y'know, one of the few sources of legitimate porn in the game.

Wait, which training was removed? It doesn't say anything about removing the arena training. That might be a bug.
"Training" on the town map used to have 3 options for training; solo, with-party, and only-party. Those got removed. It was probably included in the "many small changes" part.

Not that I ever used that either. I just went into the starting portal and made the MC run away. Then I let a bunch of NPCs get injured before going home to trigger Meira's recruitment scene.

Even if it was removed, it's still really easy to recruit her on the first available day.
Costs a hell of a lot more time and money. And it was great for any time you needed a quick battle, i.e if there weren't any good options for arena battles but you needed 1 more level on your spirit to evolve/reshape.

Eh, it just seems like removing features that most people didn't really use and adding more alt-character stuff and the tutorial MC. And a lot of those nerfs needed to happen, like the casual card scores being reduced. You'll still be able to get 100+ score dates, just not on the first day.
What happened to your "Well, I didn't use it, but other people liked it" attitude? C'mon. & People don't use Druid and angelpotential? Bullshit. EVERYBODY used their starting element stat bonuses, by definition. Evo might not give a shit since she's still OP as hell but it's a big nerf to everyone else. And it's not casual card scores that got nerfed; it was the exp. It's still very easy to hit 1000+ score on the first day. Well, at least until dating gets removed because you personally don't use it I guess.
 
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That's not really the point; they're worse versions of THEMSELVES. Take a completely non-notable combat unit like Devy. To get Player!Devy to have the same genetics as NPC!Devy, you'd need to spend 20 points in character creator. To get a single stat's genetics up to 4 costs as much as the Hatcher perk (10). That's still also true for Crea.
Hidden Power on alt-MCs now doubles starting genes, it helps a lot with making them strong units.
 

Nagirte

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Unless this patch has changed things, I dont believe genetics significantly affect Unique stat growth, because they have their own stat growths by default; I did a run as the endgame male human, and I recall only his virility & health growing (because his stat growths are 0.1 by default).

So if the Unique you play has good innate growths, then they'll scale fine.

E: Also, I think you're drastically underestimating some of the buffs these units get by becoming the MC. For example, Mirrea gets infinite stat growth. Liza gives all Amphibian units 30% stat growth (including herself, nullifying Innerspark's penalty)!
 
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Nagirte

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Speaking of, I just added all the MC bonuses for all the characters I currently have unlocked to the Wiki. I dont have the following currently, so if anyone could fill those in that'd be great; Natashlia, Nyva, Rena, Desna, Lina, Yurei, Sharra, Evel, Orana, Roctu, Zil, Xroha, Vilyn.

Those aside, here's my thoughts on some of the best MC bonuses:
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Additionally, Hebi and the Overseer have both been nerfed through this new system; world hostility starts higher when playing as them. I thought this was kind of weird because the Valys twins got off with no nerf, despite their Energy bomb & Railgun skills being insanely good.
 
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