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Phoenix wright standoff would be cool. I think i suggested something like that, where presenting the evidence wrong (3 times) in phoenix wright is a game over, but here it will be Sterling not being able to prove his case and be a bad end instead. Like Sterling is setup and Hunter makes the girl think Sterling is the bad one.
 

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This list is to finally put to rest how much Vanilla vs NTR erotic content there is. Too many people complained that NTR was a really big part of the game or even the MAIN focus. Which is absolutely absurd.

It was hard making this list. I originally wanted to do a "sex scene" comparison, but the sex took a while to really get going. It then missed out on a lot of scenes that had foreplay or teasing. So I ended up basing it on "erotic scenes" comparison.

As an example as what i count as erotic is any time there is groping, teasing, stripping, kissing and of course it goes without saying, any type of penetration, anal, vag, oral. each time any of those happens, i will count it as 1 point. Then i will total the points below to show how many times Sterling and Hunter have had erotic scenes in a chapter. I will not be counting things that are purely conversational like Sterling visiting Brenna in a bikini by the pool and all they did was talk. Sure she looks hot, but the scene wasn't intended to give Sterling a boner, much less the viewers. If I counted EVERY time Sterling went to talk to a girl in her underwear or binkini, but nothing happens, some chapters Sterlings points would be doubled.

Also, a scene counts as a point when you visit a girl in-game and not the thumbnail in the gallery. Once you have control of the character, that scene is over.

So quick example. Chapter 1 you can visit cath a few times in the spa to see her in a towel and you massage her feet. That takes place over multiple visits so it will be a point every time you visit, not just 1 point for the massage arc, because every visit was a new scene and the scene changed every visit.

CH 1. - Sterling 9 / NTR 3. 75% Vanilla / 25% NTR

CH 2. - Sterling 23 / NTR 1. 95.83% Vanilla / 4.17% NTR

CH 3. - Sterling 21 / NTR 2. 91.3% Vanilla / 8.7% NTR

CH 4. - Sterling 18 / NTR 2. 94.7% Vanilla / 5.3% NTR

CH 5. - Sterling 15 / NTR 2. 88.2% Vanilla / 11.8% NTR

CH 6. - Sterling 20 / NTR 1. 95.2% Vanilla / 4.8% NTR

CH 7. - Sterling 18 / NTR 2. 94.7% Vanilla / 5.3% NTR

CH 8. - Sterling 25 / NTR 2. 92.6% Vanilla / 7.4% NTR (this one had 1 long event that didn't give you control for a while. The birthday party scene where Rebecca has her nipslip, Aliza bathroom bj and Cath virginity loss were all in the same scene, but spread apart. So this is the only case where i gave 1 event 3 points.)

CH 9. - Sterling 26 / NTR 2. 92.8% Vanilla / 7.2% NTR

CH 10. - Sterling 27 / NTR 2. 93.1 Vanilla / 6.9% NTR

CH 11. - Sterling 22 / NTR 2. 91.6 Vanilla / 8.4% NTR

so of the roughly 245 erotic scenes, only 21 of them were NTR making NTR only 8% of the entire games erotic content.

This list is just to show the quantity of Vanilla content VS NTR content. So people can stop claiming that NTR is the main focus, it's NTR game, the NTR makes up half the content etc. This is also a quantity based list, not quality. i know the next goalpost will be that NTR has better sex scenes, but that's subjective and i can't prove that on paper.

side note. I always said NTR was about 10% of a chapters content, but that had always been a guess. It turns out that NTR makes up much less then i thought.
 
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This list is just to show the quantity of Vanilla content VS NTR content. So people can stop claiming that NTR is the main focus, it's NTR game, the NTR makes up half the content etc. This is also a quantity based list, not quality. i know the next goalpost will be that NTR has better sex scenes, but that's subjective and i can't prove that on paper.
But it is like fifty percent, right?
 

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As far as we know, no. CH 13 would be around where he said he would end it at the earliest, CH 14 at the latest. He didn't say those chapters by name, just when he gave a range a chapter or 2 ago. I'm personally hoping if he plans to actually end it, it ends on CH 15. A nice number to end it on and it means another chapter then expected to enjoy.

That is of course if he is still planning to end it soon. I wouldn't mind more chapters with more shenanigan's. There are still plenty of problems and twist that can be made up to extend the story.

Yeah, I agree Ch.15 sounds like nice numbered chapter to end it, though I think by that point going forward any more would be jumping the shark... and considering that this is a parody of sitcoms it would be very fitting.
 

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Ha, it would be very fitting if it "outstayed it welcome" and went on for another 10 chapters lol.
 

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Ha, it would be very fitting if it "outstayed it welcome" and went on for another 10 chapters lol.
After ch. 15 it does a spin-off of Hunter in the past, still looking as decrepit as possible, and the events that lead up to MC's father being the way he was.

And it flanderizes Hunter by having him talk in third person while using the moniker "Dio del sesso" far too often.
 

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very convenient framing. can you do the same list but only sex?
This game has never been only about sex. If you played from the start like I have, you would know it was a very slow burn. not as slow as a wife and mother, but still slow. It took a year and 3 months before you had your first incest sex scene.

Also, convenient? That list I made REDUCED Sterling's points. If I counted every time he talked to someone in their underwear, like Ophelia in her nightgown in the earlier chapters, he would have had MORE points and reduced the ratio for NTR even further.

edit: And also there's the goalpost i was talking about. The list was to prove how much more vanilla content then NTR content there was.
 
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very convenient framing. can you do the same list but only sex?
First, people have differing views of what counts as "sex". For example, some think blowjobs are NOT sex. To make your list, first you'd need to define what is and isn't sex.

Second, many acts that fall well below most people's threshold for "sex", such as kissing and groping, are still considered cheating and/or NTR, so why shouldn't they be counted in the list?
 
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There’s no point arguing but just think about it if I take a batch of 5 papers each has 1 picture printed on it, on the other side I take a single paper which is bigger and has 10 pictures printed on it, can I say that this 1 paper offers more than the batch of 5?
all else equal of course and objectively speaking.
No, in the example you made, the single paper with 10 pictures is better.

If we do it that way and i total the runtime of all the Vanilla vs NTR animation, I'm pretty sure there are still more Vanilla animations overall. Sure NTR might have longer single sex scenes, but it still won't be near the runtime of Vanilla. No matter how we slice it or frame it, the NTR doesn't compare to Vanilla in quantity terms.

The only argument I can't prove is again, which one is "better quality". That's completely subjective.
 

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Don't know why dartred of all people started this but are we talking about only the content in game or the overall attention and time wwg had to spend on making ntr and vanilla respectively in the whole power vacuum universe?

Anyway if we are talking about only the game even then there are 175ish animations dedicated to ntr out of 900ish animations total, which makes 20% of the whole game, now if we only take animations from scenes where at least one participant gets an orgasm this percentage can be more than that. Not saying that's a problem for me or should be for any one else, just pointing nerdy stats as they are and not in a twisted manner which makes them look lesser or higher.
 

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No, in the example you made, the single paper with 10 pictures is better.

If we do it that way and i total the runtime of all the Vanilla vs NTR animation, I'm pretty sure there are still more Vanilla animations overall. Sure NTR might have longer single sex scenes, but it still won't be near the runtime of Vanilla. No matter how we slice it or frame it, the NTR doesn't compare to Vanilla in quantity terms.

The only argument I can't prove is again, which one is "better quality". That's completely subjective.
I agree but I think you also have to bring into the equation the "What If..." most are NTR, I think with that the gap is significantly reduced.
 

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I agree but I think you also have to bring into the equation the "What If..." most are NTR, I think with that the gap is significantly reduced.
No, we can't bring what ifs or dream scenes into it, because those were specifically requested by patreons by vote. It wasn't the devs choice to make them, unlike the main game.


Don't know why dartred of all people started this but are we talking about only the content in game or the overall attention and time wwg had to spend on making ntr and vanilla respectively in the whole power vacuum universe?

Anyway if we are talking about only the game even then there are 175ish animations dedicated to ntr out of 900ish animations total, which makes 20% of the whole game, now if we only take animations from scenes where at least one participant gets an orgasm this percentage can be more than that. Not saying that's a problem for me or should be for any one else, just pointing nerdy stats as they are and not in a twisted manner which makes them look lesser or higher.
I made it because of a post not to long ago saying I would. It wasn't made to get reactions or rile anyone up. It was made to be the opposite in fact. To finally end the debate of PV being a NTR focused game. Simple as that really.

edit: I tried to look for my post where i said i was going to find the statistics, but then i remembered it was one of the post lost to the purge here
https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-11-official-what-why-games.36240/post-11464708
 
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