Ren'Py Abandoned Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[DD69-1]

How am i avoiding talking about that exact topic when just 1 page back i acknowledged which one i thought was better? In case you don't want to click, IMO it was Sterling whose scene i enjoyed more and that's coming from a guy who likes NTR https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-11-official-what-why-games.36240/post-11687107

This is what i mean, by saying which scenes are better are objective. Length doesn't = better.

there's that goalpost movement BIG time. First was an argument that it was an NTR game / NTR was the focus. So i made a list of all the erotic scenes and vanilla had WAY more scenes overall.

then how many times there was vanilla vs NTR penetration and NTR was only 18% of the penetration.

Now you want me to count how many animations there are in vanilla vs NTR? Once i prove that vanilla has more animations then NTR, what's next? How many times Sterling or Hunter verbally mentioned they wanted to fuck someone?

and you already started proving my point. You immediately jumped on Ophelia getting the extended scenes like it's a fact. I'm willing to bet people who like Cath or Brenna more won't agree with you.

You're saying: "You immediately jumped on Ophelia getting the extended scenes like it's a fact. I'm willing to bet people who like Cath or Brenna more won't agree with you." which I completely agree on and others can their choices, I'm not forcing them to like what I like.

I saw your message in the previous page for sure, I disagree with that, again it comes down to choices.. Again when you say this statement, "
This is what i mean, by saying which scenes are better are objective. Length doesn't = better." You're contradicting yourself when you replied to my earlier messages by saying this " It wouldn't be fair for NTR if we wait (almost) a year and the scene is the length of a Sterling scene. "

Again not to call you out... when you said NTR is just 10% or less. I agree with you on that front sure, since you graciously provided the data... Again if you would've read my argument it stated about quantity of renders/animations of Vanilla vs NTR.. I'm saying that's not 10% or less. I'm just asking simple questions, you're disagreeing because you simply can.

Also when you say this: "It wouldn't be fair for NTR if we wait (almost) a year and the scene is the length of a Sterling scene. " I want to point out that vanilla fans wait for the whole year too, we don't have what-if/dream scenes of vanilla version winning, it's always NTR.. I know what if/dream scenes are made as thanks to patreons but seeing who wins most of them you shouldn't say that you almost wait a year.. because even if whatifs/dream scenes are skipped for 1-2 months, you will at least have 4-5 whatifs/dream scenes till development is completed for main game.

Just don't defend something head-on. that's all I ask. Hopefully, WWG reads this message and this one: https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-11-official-what-why-games.36240/post-11689631

 

[dartred]

I just want to point out that i wrote objective in that last statement on accident. I meant subjective like i said in every other post.

Anyways, here's your animations count.

There are 902 total animations in PV


There are a total of 186 NTR animations (including cerberus). I also want to point out NTR only takes up 258MB of a total of 1.62GB of space for total animations. That's almost 1.3+GB of vanilla animations


total runtime of every animation in the game is 57 and a half minutes


NTR animation runtime is 9 and half minutes


This means NTR animations is only 16.5% of the total runtime of all the animations in the game.

I just don't know how it can be anymore clear. NTR scene are individually longer sure, but because they have too. They are such a low count overall, that when they appear they need to be more impactful.

 

[Satou Pendragon]

Now let's see what's the next thing they are gonna complain about gonna be

 

[Liam the Handyman]

16.5%! holy sheet thats wayyyy too much

 

[Bob Jewl]

I'll never understand the thought process of supporting a game that you feel is not putting full effort towards the content you prefer and proceed to complain about it for multiple pages on how WWG should make the game they want instead of his own.
If it bothers them to that extent then you're better off to follow another game without any NTR in it, there's plenty on this site.

 

[soupcansteve]

I have loads of respect for you dartred. My mouse clicked the iggy button a long time ago and you gracefully continue to reply to that person.

 

[dartred]

I don't ignore people because I have to be there to stop the spread of misinformation that scare people away. Imagine if all the "This game is NTR" and "NTR is the focus" people went unchecked. It would scare off a lot of potential new players. I can't see people posting lies if i put them on the ignore list.

 

[DD69-1]

I just want to point out that i wrote objective in that last statement on accident. I meant subjective like i said in every other post.

Anyways, here's your animations count.

There are 902 total animations in PV
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There are a total of 186 NTR animations (including cerberus). I also want to point out NTR only takes up 258MB of a total of 1.62GB of space for total animations. That's almost 1.3+GB of vanilla animations
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total runtime of every animation in the game is 57 and a half minutes
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NTR animation runtime is 9 and half minutes
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This means NTR animations is only 16.5% of the total runtime of all the animations in the game.

I just don't know how it can be anymore clear. NTR scene are individually longer sure, but because they have too. They are such a low count overall, that when they appear they need to be more impactful.

I was driving... sorry for the delayed response, in case people were waiting for one, since a couple of comments have surfaced.

1. so it's more than more than 10%
2. "NTR scene are individually longer sure, but because they have too. They are such a low count overall, that when they appear they need to be more impactful."

Thank you for this. That's what I was saying it's more than 10%. Now you are admitting the scenes are longer, which I too agree with.
Again my initial concern was the scene count [which you provided, thank you ] & Quality. Which I said earlier, it's a visual/kinetic novel based of renders. so mildly put, Sterling has let's say has 10 sex scenes in the update with a specific amount of render/s animations, NTR bad ends let's say 2 for instance for Drew & Hunter have to larger than Sterling to be impactful. But Sterling's 10 sex scene in the update cannot be as larger than bad ends as they will increase dev time, do you think that does justice to 10 sex scenes ?

 

[DD69-1]

I don't ignore people because I have to be there to stop the spread of misinformation that scare people away. Imagine if all the "This game is NTR" and "NTR is the focus" people went unchecked. It would scare off a lot of potential new players. I can't see people posting lies if i put them on the ignore list.

lies and misinformation, I hate those things too.
"This game is NTR" and "NTR is the focus" --- I don't know why so many people are saying this and I'll listen to them more sincerely if they actually play the game and then comment this... because anyone who has played the game will knw that;
1. it has NTR bad ends
2. NTR scenes are longer [taking your words here: because it needs to be impactful ]

 

[dartred]

so mildly put, Sterling has let's say has 10 sex scenes in the update with a specific amount of render/s animations, NTR bad ends let's say 2 for instance for Drew & Hunter have to larger than Sterling to be impactful. But Sterlings 10 sex scene in the update cannot be as larger than bad ends as they will increase dev time, do you think that does justice to 10 sex scenes ?

I'm not sure what you're asking. maybe it's the few misspellings that preventing me from understanding the questions. Are you asking if 10 Sterling sex scenes shouldn't be as long as Hunter's / Drew's scenes each? If you're saying that 10 Sterling scene's don't have the same runtime as 1 Drew / Hunter scene, that's not right either. Sorry, i just don't understand your question.

 

[Badjourasmix]

Man I love this game but every time I check this thread there is always some dumb NTR argument. Why? It's not even canon.

 

[dartred]

You're right. This was posted so people would stop complaining about NTR.

specifically if you don't like a specific kink, you aren't suppose to complain about it.

https://f95zone.to/threads/power-vacuum-ch-11-official-what-why-games.36240/post-11464708

This thread would be a much better place if we only ever brought up what we liked, not what we disliked.

 

[soupcansteve]

I think I am in the small minority then who just plays a game and decides for themselves if it is for them or not. If it isn't, I just delete it. I am glad this one fell into the like category as well as yours dartred.

 

[Badjourasmix]

It's ok for people to talk about what they dislike about the game but when what you dislike is not even canon and you can play the whole game without ever seeing it, I don't really see the point in complaing about it. And I say this as someone who absolutely hates NTR.

 

[DD69-1]

I'm not sure what you're asking. maybe it's the few misspellings that preventing me from understanding the questions. Are you asking if 10 Sterling sex scenes shouldn't be as long as Hunter's / Drew's scenes each? If you're saying that 10 Sterling scene's don't have the same runtime as 1 Drew / Hunter scene, that's not right either. Sorry, i just don't understand your question.

Just rephrasing the question... after this will check the thread tomorrow, because if I just ask a question on NTR/Vanilla... NTR supporters just come out and call the argument dumb, even when you have said that the scenes are the longer.. this happened the same in the discord server as well [don't have access to it now, otherwise would have provided screenshots], glad to see this forum also has adopted the mentality of yeah this the game, don't ask/question anything just play it/ don't like it then then just leave, don't say anything about NTR.. anyways since you asked for clarification on my response, please find it below;

I was saying that... Sterling, has let's say has 10 sex scenes in the update with a specific amount of renders &animations, and for NTR bad ends let's say we have 2 for instance for Drew & Hunter, now they have to be larger than one's Sterling sex scene to be impactful [talking only in terms of Animations/renders]. But Sterling's 10 sex scene in the update cannot be as larger than bad ends as they will increase dev time, do you think that does justice to 10 sex scenes ?

 

[dartred]

Yeah, i had been into these games for about 2 years before PV. Nothing had REALLY caught my attention. Then PV dropped and from CH 1, I knew this game was gonna be a hit. The base formula was already showing good signs. Every chapter actually showed WWG was learning as a developer and the chapters were showing new techniques and the visuals got better. Most games is just a race to make new chapters, but PV was trying to be better then the last every time.

 

[dartred]

I was saying that... Sterling, has let's say has 10 sex scenes in the update with a specific amount of renders &animations, and for NTR bad ends let's say we have 2 for instance for Drew & Hunter, now they have to be larger than one's Sterling sex scene to be impactful [talking only in terms of Animations/renders]. But Sterling's 10 sex scene in the update cannot be as larger than bad ends as they will increase dev time, do you think that does justice to 10 sex scenes ?

You wrote the exact same thing, with some words moved around. I don't understand what you're asking. 10 sex scenes not as large as bad ends don't do Sterling's sex scenes justice? I'm confused.

 

[Ryzanov]

It seems to me that in 5 years when the game will be released completely and there will be a second part, there will also be a dude who will write that NTR is terrible and bad that there is a lot of it (although it takes well, a maximum of 20 percent of the entire game) LOL

 

[dartred]

I know the conversation is done, but I just remembered this meme format that fits perfectly

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[SuddenReal]

I was saying that... Sterling, has let's say has 10 sex scenes in the update with a specific amount of renders &animations, and for NTR bad ends let's say we have 2 for instance for Drew & Hunter, now they have to be larger than one's Sterling sex scene to be impactful [talking only in terms of Animations/renders]. But Sterling's 10 sex scene in the update cannot be as larger than bad ends as they will increase dev time, do you think that does justice to 10 sex scenes ?

Yes, because we stil have 10 sex scenes of considerable length versus 2 long sex scenes.