Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[DA22]

I love that people still complain about NTR.

There are games on this site where you fuck children and yet people can't shut up about a woman being unfaithful.





I'd put comedy first, then porn, and story isn't on the list because the game is built as a satire of mindless fuck 'em all games. There are narrative elements to keep the game moving and on the rails, but it couldn't be a satire if I implemented anything more. I'll never understand people thinking this was my attempt at a story and seriously critiquing it. It's like if I made a parody of Bazooka Joe comics and people kept giving me one star for story.

Maybe because NTR is not about being unfaithful cause the woman wants to be unfaithful that is just plain old cheating if there is a relation which already has enough people not liking it in itself, but about the female being physically, enotionally and or sexually abused by an asshole, also known as rape whether you call it blackmail, drugging or direct forced or whatever? That in itself is already one of the most divisive tags and loads of people simply hate to come in contact with, together with loli, heavy dom and vore to give a few other examples beyond the obvious incest tag and yeah I have also seen game threads derail when there was suddenly a sister added in update 10 in past.

Lydia in What if as long as she does it out of own free will is not even truly NTR, others will feel differently though and site rules would name it so and well due to fact that in almost any game any other male is an abusive asshole it is not so weird that every other dick has gotten mixed up with the three letter tag even if it is just other dick if not abusive and not taking away. (Edit: To be just as clear the Brenna what if scene was full on rape with her being drugged on purpose for that, whether she liked it and made an ahegao face or not, but not NTR if he did not take her way from Mc after and she went back to MC. Would only be NTR if she suddeny was addicted to be raped by Hunter and the Hunter dick).

If you add the cuck element as well from point of MC that not everyone likes either, well there you have it and why people hate that tag so much. Just like many people decided not to go see a movie like The Accused cause of a certain scene even if it is a great movie with deep story, some things really fuck with peoples emotions while something like anal might not be to your liking, but will not.

Another thing is that games with a NTR setup somehow even when there is a more romantic or corruption route almost invariable lead to an incompetent MC and one dimensional females with no brains that act completely different to that MC as to the overpowered NTR NPC's that also acts like a cockblock (a certain Eric for example) might be a factor.

Loads of people will not like it or even hate it even when is not shown but strong part of the story, while others like or even love it or just do not care as long as there are hot scenes. People talking about content of what if in this thread does not help that even if I get they are excited to get content they love, that is why I wished they had gotten their own separate thread with link to the game, since that discussion will never go away when NTR mixes with other genres. Now you did quite great job in your game and came closer to have people accept it in a game that do not like it as almost any dev I have seen make it work until now, but you never will get rid of it completely. Not understanding or down playing why that particular fetish is so disliked by some, does not help either even if you feel different yourself.

 

[SuddenReal]

Maybe because NTR is not about being unfaithful cause the woman wants to be unfaithful that is just plain old cheating if there is a relation which already has enough people not liking it in itself, but about the female being physically, enotionally and or sexually abused by an asshole, also known as rape whether you call it blackmail, drugging or direct forced or whatever? That in itself is already one of the most divisive tags and loads of people simply hate to come in contact with, together with loli, heavy dom and vore to give a few other examples beyond the obvious incest tag and yeah I have also seen game threads derail when there was suddenly a sister added in update 10 in past.

Uh, no, that's not what NTR is about. NTR isn't about abused in any way by an asshole. It's about someone else fucking the woman you like, and as a result, her going back for seconds. So yeah, it's basically cheating, but in overdrive, since an aspect from NTR is also emasculating the MC in some way.

 

[DA22]

Uh, no, that's not what NTR is about. NTR isn't about abused in any way by an asshole. It's about someone else fucking the woman you like, and as a result, her going back for seconds. So yeah, it's basically cheating, but in overdrive, since an aspect from NTR is also emasculating the MC in some way.

Well have you ever played a Japanese game or watched a Japanese movie tagged with NTR by developer where it was not through abuse of power and rape? Good luck finding them, the one exception might be the hot wive Mom trope that fucks all her son's bullies that was added to the tag in the naughties. Emasculation can be a part of NTR if the MC is forced to watch or the female goes a lot he was so bad in bed with such a small dick, but that is not a requirement of the genre as such even if def not uncommon. Her forcefully being taught to like the other dick against her will though is, with that one exception I mentioned.

Now for the way this site tags NTR what you say is an option and could be true (I could even name one that most would name NTR, even the lovers of the genre, but is actually full on cuckold with a playa NPC having the action and not a nice guy, but not nice to name other peoples games in this devs thread), were it not that in almost every game except for the wingman, every other man in game is an abusive asshole and antagonist and not nice people cause that would not be drama after all if you lose out to a guy you would gladly drink beer with if not in competition over a woman.

Thing is though not how you or I or the site exactly define NTR, but what kind of content is in general covered by that tag and tends to be in games covered with it that people dislike and why they go apeshit over that tag. Well those are part of the reasons and of course some are just allergic to any third party in games having actions even if is loving sex of the dad with Mom, is that NTR though? Even if you think though that last goes too far, their dislike of it is just as real as other peoples like, but the dislike of the NTR tag has way more reasons as some just wanting everyone to be a virgin or reborn virginal in their game.

 

[partner33]

The issue is not what NTR is or isn't, the issue is that people who don't like NTR won't shut the fuck up about it.

Dear reader, do you dislike/hate NTR? Use the following link to hide any games/visual novels containing such a tag/fetish on this website using the new filter system; https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=games/page=1/notags=258

No need to thank me,

 

[SuddenReal]

Well have you ever played a Japanese game or watched a Japanese movie tagged with NTR by developer where it was not through abuse of power and rape? Good luck finding them

Well, it's a comic, but still:

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There are more like these, where the "MC" doesn't make his intentions clear to their love interest, so others swoop in and claim the prize.

 

[Ghostboy031]

The issue is not what NTR is or isn't, the issue is that people who don't like NTR won't shut the fuck up about it.

Dear reader, do you dislike/hate NTR? Use the following link to hide any games/visual novels containing such a tag/fetish on this website using the new filter system; https://f95zone.to/sam/latest_alpha/#/cat=games/page=1/notags=258

No need to thank me, just fuck off.

100% agree, if a computerised image causes you this much grief just leave ?

 

[DA22]

Well, it's a comic, but still:

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There are more like these, where the "MC" doesn't make his intentions clear to their love interest, so others swoop in and claim the prize.

That is a western site tag, not from Japanese dev on cover and yes most do it since great advertisement to their fans. If NTR was just cheating and cuckold it would not have its own tag beside those in Japan Over here it tends to be used much wider, which is understandable since cheating or stealing and cuck hit many of the same emotions in people. It is still way too wide though and should not be used for action the female takes out of her free will and is not forced into. It is not just taken away, but taken away against her will where she falls in an addiction to the NPC she cannot resist and becomes useless in her old role as a wife, mother and such.

It has become an umbrella though and one of the disadvantages is that people talk about many dislikes when they us that tag, which are still different dislikes but especially the content can hit different emotions. Sex with other dick (even non abusive ones) willingly can cause jealousy in the player and dislike or indifference to the char in the player which may well impact his enjoyment of the game in a negative or positive way depending on the player, the abuse/rape of her can hit other way stronger emotions though.

Thing is even players that do not like that content come into contact with it now due to all talk about what if's even if they can avoid it in game. The genre has just as much right to be made and played and enjoyed, but it mixes badly with other genres even when talk more about just cuck or cheating. Just as someone who hates loli will not enjoy it and hate to run into it, just the disagreement about what is loli is much smaller and does tend to be vigorously tagged and have to be specifically sought out and even separately installed and is not something you get as a surprise later in game or thread.

 

[SuddenReal]

If NTR was just cheating and cuckold it would not have its own tag beside those in Japan

Let me show my age here. Porn comics in the west didn't have a tag (including BDSM and gay). Everything was just porn, and even then it was only specialized publishers that made them. Hentai on the other hand was plentiful. A lot of the tags are Japanese, even if the content isn't. Look at Futa. That did not come from Japan. There were comics with transexuals in the west too, but the tag is Futa because they were the first to put a tag on it. Even gay and lesbian are tagged as Yaoi and Yuri.

 

[DA22]

Let me show my age here. Porn comics in the west didn't have a tag (including BDSM and gay). Everything was just porn, and even then it was only specialized publishers that made them. Hentai on the other hand was plentiful. A lot of the tags are Japanese, even if the content isn't. Look at Futa. That did not come from Japan. There were comics with transexuals in the west too, but the tag is Futa because they were the first to put a tag on it. Even gay and lesbian are tagged as Yaoi and Yuri.

Yeah but that tag was already there in the 80's on Japanese sites, showing my own age here as well. Thing is like I said it is not about how you, me or this site or whoever uses the tag in the end, but what people like or dislike or love or hate. Whether you call it NTR, cuck, sharing, swinging, rape, LI or not LI and define it or just other dick/pussy shown.

If they dislike the content that comes with it or is in in the game you get that uproar when mix player groups and NTR has become a weird sort of umbrella tag people start to shout when there for all those things helping neither group to know if content they love is there or hate.

It has lost its true function due to that in a way and became a general warning for some, but that does not mean people have good reason to dislike that tag showing up if they are not a fan of that content or love it when other way around, just try to stop mixing them and with adding what ifs and talking about it in this thread you mix them even if not as badly when you add them in game directly. Which I personally would not mind either, (even if would not play them since I am allergic to close family members getting abused by abusive other dick even in a game knowing they are a game), since they are bad ends that can be missed easily in game, not canon and not bleed through in main game with having to make main chars brainless. I know many will not agree with me on that last as well and would mind though, then again they do not mind other things like senseless slow burns and stairway to heavens that I think are nonsensical for experienced sexual partners.

 

[jmcronshaw]

Lol nothing, the weird thing is though if she likes a nasty fucking it is 99% of the time in games with the abusive dick theme only with the abusive assholes and not with MC. Why would she be more open to harder things or only open to it with strangers she can not trust already, as with someone she trusts. I never get a woman that does not know me at least a bit and knows that I know what I do, wanting me to choke her after a date or two or when she knows I had quite a bit of alcohol. It is not really sane or safe.

To be clear I do hope the girls will go more nasty with Sterling over time as just a missionary fuck in a bed, Yes, please. Go as nasty as you want that would still fit the girls and with Lydia that will likely include public sex, since it is her thing, just Sterling needs to get more comfortable with it and it stays relatively safe situations which is not in a cabin with two guys in there and watching that you do not know and might be armed and psychopaths or just assholes that are not above a rape or two.

If you noticed my objection was against MC crying and sitting as some nincompoop in a corner, which is not as he has been setup, not that Lydia could not decide to give those two old guys what they want in a "what if", unless you radical change Sterling and set him up as such in the what if.

Just if she chose so in front of Sterling as canon, well that would have consequences for their relation, just like he had problems with being forced in that situation in game by her for good reasons and dev did give Lydia some reasons for her actions in game.

The Sterling stuff doesn't have anything to do with the comment i responded to.
You said NTR "bleeds" into the canon characters and "destroys" the females for romance. Are you saying now you don't think that?

 

[DA22]

The Sterling stuff doesn't have anything to do with the comment i responded to.
You said NTR "bleeds" into the canon characters and "destroys" the females for romance. Are you saying now you don't think that?

I said in most games of that type, this game is one of the few exceptions to that as I said before. Then again it is not a real cuck/NTR/cheat or whatever you want to call it game since the premise is that Sterling stops Hunter in canon every time and the females also do not get wet as soon a a bad motha fucka walks in the room and lose the use of their brains and with MC do have those brains and play hard to get.

Even then until now it has still been drugs where the women were not themselves, with exception of Lydia that had another mechanic with those old men, that was the agent of the danger, not the girls acting suddenly as brainless morons or Sterling as a moronic fool who cannot even unscrew a bottle but tries to pull the top off or saying grandpa is not incest but bro is or the girls go for the slightest hint of blackmail pants down. ( I am slightly exaggerating, but you get what I mean I guess)

 

[jmcronshaw]

I said in most games of that type, this game is one of the few exceptions to that as I said before. Then again it is not a real cuck/NTR/cheat or whatever you want to call it game since the premise is that Sterling stops Hunter every time and the females also do not get wet as soon a a bad motha fucka walks in the room and lose the use of their brains and with MC do have those brains and play hard to get.

Even then until now it has still been drugs where the women were not themselves, with exception of Lydia that had another mechanic with those old men, that was the agent of the danger, not the girls acting suddenly as brainless morons or Sterling as a moronic fool who cannot even unscrew a bottle but tries to pull the top off or saying grandpa is not incest but bro is or the girls go for the slightest hint of blackmail pants down. ( I am slightly exaggerating, but you get what I mean I guess)

all right whatever. It's Lucia though not Lydia

 

[DA22]

all right whatever. It's Lucia though not Lydia

Yup, the niece, excuse me for mixing up the two names.

 

[Agul]

Any kind soul willing to share the new wallpaper?

 

[Kingkoopa97]

Any kind soul willing to share the new wallpaper?

I would but someone will complain that wallpapers need their own thread due to the ntr content.

 

[Zieniuuu]

I would but someone will complain that wallpapers need their own thread due to the ntr content.

You can always put spoiler with NTR warning

 

[Agul]

I would but someone will complain that wallpapers need their own thread due to the ntr content.

Fuck em, I'll dance at your wedding if you do

 

[Skode]

Busted air conditioner? That had better be Hunter at his schemes, the old bastard doesnt get enough screen time as it is.

 

[ShadowAssassin]

I love that people still complain about NTR.

There are games on this site where you fuck children and yet people can't shut up about a woman being unfaithful.





I'd put comedy first, then porn, and story isn't on the list because the game is built as a satire of mindless fuck 'em all games. There are narrative elements to keep the game moving and on the rails, but it couldn't be a satire if I implemented anything more. I'll never understand people thinking this was my attempt at a story and seriously critiquing it. It's like if I made a parody of Bazooka Joe comics and people kept giving me one star for story.

Don't worry too much about haters. You are doing a great job and there are people who do appreciate what you do.

 

[CondomsAreForPussies]

does anyone knows thats the title of the song of the menu page?