Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[storm1051787]

I like ntr but the game definitely sucks if you were to play it looking for just a vanilla incest game.

I disagree because the vanilla content is the whole reason why I'm here. I'm am not a fan of ntr and I would have never touched this game if ntr was more prominent but the ntr stuff is so minor and avoidable there there really isn't much point in whining about it. Like someone else says most stuff with hunter honest feels more like it's a parody of ntr and the ugly bastard trope than an actual true ntr came which is focused on it. Actual ntr games at least have the option for the villain to win and would keep going. But in hunters case it's impossible for him to win without trying some super extereme and ridicilous plan and even then half the time he wins he still loses.



Having said that I'm getting a little tired of both complaints about ntr and people complaining the anti ntr crowd. Especially since I have seen plenty of threads where the reverse happens and ntr fans complain that there isn't enough ntr content or demand ntr be added to vanilla games. So I don't really see the point in acting like either side has some sort of high ground when really it's just childish people being childish when they don't get their way. Some people both really like certain fetishes and really hate them and get annoyed when they realize that not everyone thinks the way they do. It goes both ways and isn't an ntr fan vs anti ntr fan thing. I've seen it happen for lots of other kinks too. Even on this thread we had plenty of people get angry over Ophelia's femdom stuff. Choosing to villainize ntr fans or people who don't like ntr solves absolutely nothing.

 

[SuddenReal]

i mean i just checked my last playthrough save from this game and that save is from 6 blody months ago, soooo i'm gone go ahead and call a little bit of bs on the hole "it will not affect the regular relase thingy"

Each update is larger than the previous one, so it makes sense there's more time between updates. Also, it would have come out already if it hadn't been for the Patreon thing.

 

[000000]

I think the one who reported it was a KAREN that saw his son this kind of game and reported it by any chance I'll give 1$ for this guess xD.....

 

[Doctorshemp]

I don't know who of us all got an patreon account but what if we try to bomb them with emails and stuff until they break down? It's their guidelines that need to change.

 

[SuddenReal]

The problem is that Paypall has certain rules and restricitions, so in order to make sure they're not broken, they enforce stricter rules.

 

[defd©™]

I finally decided to play this game for the first time (I play this at the start but stopped and deleted when I realized that it was a super slow-boring-burn-game)
Now i think is a good time for start playing

and I have a question:

Why the women of the Sterling family are so big, tall and fat ... it seems like the MC is so small and frail.
The protagonist's head is smaller than the models ...
i think the developer has problems with human body proportions and then since they are from the same family ...
... maybe Sterling's dad isn't Hunter?

In any case Hunter is the best character in the game but pity that he is not able to fuck the girls (I'm just at ch2 I hope the story progression will be less repetitive)
I'm also looking for saves to skip some grind before the game interesting part starts.

 

[ScareKing]

I finally decided to play this game for the first time (I play this at the start but stopped and deleted when I realized that it was a super slow-boring-burn-game)
Now i think is a good time for start playing

and I have a question:

Why the women of the Sterling family are so big, tall and fat ... it seems like the MC is so small and frail.
The protagonist's head is smaller than the models ...
i think the developer has problems with human body proportions and then since they are from the same family ...
... maybe Sterling's dad isn't Hunter?

In any case Hunter is the best character in the game but pity that he is not able to fuck the girls (I'm just at ch2 I hope the story progression will be less repetitive)
I'm also looking for saves to skip some grind before the game interesting part starts.

I dont want to spoil anything but MC got taller and Hunter its Ophelia dad, and soon u will see the interesting parts.

 

[Jackie123]

is the update coming this month? havent been in this thread for quite a time

 

[Cyth]

is the update coming this month? havent been in this thread for quite a time

No. Patreon raised some issues so the dev have to remake some parts of the dialogue.

really dont understand why dev's keep using that peace of garbage Patreon

 

[Nick Black]

WWG has said before, he would first drop the game before removing Hunter.

Hunter is the driving force of the game. It's the reason sterling began finding interest in the girls of his house in the first place. Had Hunter not been there to show that even woman close to you are still, well woman.

You're absolutely right, Hunter is the main villain, removing it would change the entire main story.
Maybe at this point after ch.10 WWG will sacrifice it to make Drew the new villain of the game.

 

[porotropo]

It has annoyed us, when the next update was so close, now we will have to wait who knows how long, that would have to be a competitor trying to harm the developer because otherwise I don't understand it...

 

[SuddenReal]

that would have to be a competitor trying to harm the developer

Considering how many games there are on Patreon, a developer sabotaging another one would have no effect. There's too many fish in the pond for it to be effective. The only logical culprit for this is a player complaining about NTR.

 

[Spatenklopper]

It's relatively simple. if you've been on patreon long enough, you'll eventually pique their interest.
However, the problem could be seen coming for quite some time....
Suddenly being completely unprepared for this "problem" is pretty embarrassing for the dev.

Could make a branch out of it...

"What if..." I had been paying attention to what was happening to other devs on patreon for more than a year...

Sorry but with the consequences of stupidity and ignorance my sympathy is limited.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

Sorry but with the consequences of stupidity and ignorance my sympathy is limited.

If you think the dev wasn't fully aware he was violating some of Patreon's rules, you might be the ignorant one. The dev has a story he wants to tell, and there's an audience for that story. He was just trying to fly under the radar, which isn't too hard. Could Patreon have discovered the offending material on their own? Sure, but it's a drop in the ocean so they understandably rely on reports.

Imagine going into a speakeasy and ordering water, and then judging everyone else when the place gets raided. Or worse yet, being the one who called the cops. Why do you think we're here? Why are you here?

It's getting rather tiresome reading all of this moral grandstanding on a pirated porn site.

 

[Spatenklopper]

He was just trying to fly under the radar, which isn't too hard. Could Patreon have discovered the offending material on their own? Sure, but it's a drop in the ocean so they understandably rely on reports.

If you actually believe that, you are unfortunately quite naive.
It's pretty easy for Patreon to find content like this, and no one is even sitting at any computer looking for it.

And if the DEV was sooo aware of this as you say, how come that an update has to be postponed because of something he known for a long time?
How come he didn't make any preparations?
How come he still hasn't switched to a platform that doesn't care about credit card company restrictions like hundreds of other devs?

Sorry but all the Patreon shit is nothing but a stupid excuse for his own months of omissions, which are now falling on his toes.

Why are you here?

To play games.
To learn new games.
To meet devs who I think deserve my support.

But definitely not to smear honey around someone's ass they don't deserve.

It's getting rather tiresome reading all of this moral grandstanding on a pirated porn site.

I'm tired of reading apologies and justifications for mistakes and omissions that one runs straight into with wide open eyes and which have long been known.

 

[dartred]

If you actually believe that, you are unfortunately quite naive.
It's pretty easy for Patreon to find content like this, and no one is even sitting at any computer looking for it.

there are over 210k creators on patreon. There is no way they are being thorough and can search every creator. While also handling customer support, dev support and anything else that takes time away from finding content that violates their ToS. If we had to be realistic, it's more likely that they CAN'T find everything. So they rely on reports. That way they just take a look at what is being reported, rather then blind checks

edit: just checked and Patreon has 400 workers, that is overall. How many are in the department that handles ToS rule breakers? I'm guessing a handful. There is no fucking way that those few workers can "easily find content like that".

And if the DEV was sooo aware of this as you say, how come that an update has to be postponed because of something he known for a long time?
How come he didn't make any preparations?
How come he still hasn't switched to a platform that doesn't care about credit card company restrictions like hundreds of other devs?

He did take measures to prevent this. That's why incest has to be patched in and isn't part of the base game. It's also why he removed what ifs 1-4, because he thought that was what the offending content was about.
He said he hasn't switched because he could lose half or more of his income going from patreon to SS. When his next game is going to be vanilla, he would rather tough it out and stick with patreon where his followers are already.

To play games.
To learn new games.
To meet devs who I think deserve my support.

But definitely not to smear honey around someone's ass they don't deserve.

mhm mhm *checks profile* ...and you're not supporting any devs yet why? There isn't a single dev or game here you like? You really haven't found some one to support yet?

I'm tired of reading apologies and justifications for mistakes and omissions that one runs straight into with wide open eyes and which have long been known.

And i'm tired of correcting people who spread misinformation and don't know what they are talking about, yet here we are.

I posted with facts and proof. I'd like to see your response on how I'm wrong and don't use assumptions, use facts please.

 

[Spatenklopper]

There is no way they are being thorough and can search every creator. While also handling customer support, dev support and anything else that takes time away from finding content that violates their ToS.

Do you actually want to hear a lecture about artificial intelligence algorithms now?

mhm mhm *checks profile* ...and you're not supporting any devs yet why?

Mhm mhm, I found several, guess you need to take a closer look.

I posted with facts and proof

So your facts and evidence are that you believe patreon doesn't have the staff to personally vet all 210k devs.
You're right about that, but forget that a first "pre-sorting" only requires a bot and nothing more.
also that parts of the content were removed and then nothing was heard from patreon for 4 months.

Of course you can do it that way and think everything would be fine if you didn't hear anything for a while, but the real world doesn't work like that.
But explaining that to you would end up in another lecture on business law and laws, which i don't think any of us want to do.

It's just my opinion, you don't have to share it, you don't have to understand it, but i won't change it.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

And if the DEV was sooo aware of this as you say, how come that an update has to be postponed because of something he known for a long time?
How come he didn't make any preparations?

You know what? You're right about some things.

Even though Patreon originally cited the What Ifs for violations, and the dev tried to placate Patreon by removing the offending What Ifs back in January, and only then did Patreon start to review the game itself, and it took them 4 months to get back to him with their issues with the main game, some of which suggest their reviewer lacked basic reading comprehension... yes, the dev could have been more proactive and combed through the game starting back in January. (This timeline of events is clear from the dev's Discord.)

Edit: I'll say that I find the idea Patreon is using AI to screen game content pretty implausible. This game has been going for over 2 years, surely it wouldn't take that long for AI to flag dialogue from the opening chapters?

This Monday-morning quarterbacking is probably moot, because overhauling the existing game instead of working on a new chapter would still have been a delay. In attempt to avoid a delay, and after extended radio silence from Patreon, the dev took a risk and it didn't work out. I probably would've made the same decision: no delay now vs maybe delay later. Oh well, Murphy's Law I suppose.

 

[dartred]

So you started off with an assumption. An assumption that they have a bot made to find these things. If that were true, there would be NO game that gets past them. Yet, there are many games that still have incest AND bestiality in the game without needing to be modded. So how does that work? It doesn't, because it's humans that are combing through the content, not bots.

Your profile doesn't show you're supporting anyone, unless you have it set to not broadcast. Why not turn it on and show us how many you are supporting?

If you got an explanation but don't want to share it because you think i won't sit here and listen, think again. I'm all ears, so post it.

 

[What? Why? Games]

You know what? You're right about some things.

Even though Patreon originally cited the What Ifs for violations, and the dev tried to placate Patreon by removing the offending What Ifs back in January, and only then did Patreon start to review the game itself, and it took them 4 months to get back to him with their issues with the main game, some of which suggest their reviewer lacked basic reading comprehension... yes, the dev could have been more proactive and combed through the game starting back in January. (This timeline of events is clear from the dev's Discord.)

No, I couldn't have. Patreon broadened their guidelines to include implications of offending content. If I did it in January, I'd still be doing this now.