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storm1051787

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But it's also the fact that you've got an opponent to outsmart.


I mean, not really. Hunter's kind of stupid and the choices that lead to the ntr scenes are always exteremy obvious. There are plenty of ntr games where the characters are competing with each other. This is not one of those games at all. Even with ntr turned on its pretty much impossible for you to get an ntr scene unless you deliberately let it happen. Hunter is important to the story but that's only because Sterling probably would have never thought of doing anything with any of the characters without Hunters interference. Most of the character events honestly don't really have anything to do with hunter as a character or any of his plans.


Hunter actively helps the protagonist build up a relationship and actually wants Sterling to succeed. Hunter's only real problem is that Sterling is unwilling to share so he's not even really a rival in any regard. It's honestly almost like Sterling is ntring Hunter. Hunter is basically akin to wily coyote where everytime he tries something it blows up in his face and they are pretty much all compeltely ridiculous. I also don't really get why so many people are trying to talk so much about the story in a game that's clearly pretty comedic and episodic in nature. I like the game but it isn't really trying to have some super deep compleling story and theres nothing wrong with that.

"Having an opponent to outsmart" as never really a thing in this game whether you play with ntr or not.
 

SuddenReal

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I didn't mean gamewise, I meant storywise. I know it's set up in a way that Hunter will never win, but storywise, you have
an antagonist. Too many games just have the MC and the women to bang, which results in a poor storyline.
 

storm1051787

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I didn't mean gamewise, I meant storywise. I know it's set up in a way that Hunter will never win, but storywise, you have
an antagonist. Too many games just have the MC and the women to bang, which results in a poor storyline.
I don't really think not having an antagonist is really the issue for those stories. I think it's just more that a lot of devs and players just care about getting each scene then they do about developing characters and the plot. There are plenty of games on here that have pretty good writing without it devolving it just porn without an antagonist and there are also ntr games on this site that suffer from what you are talking about to but with the antagonist banging all the characters instead of the mcs. These are just the issues with the devs, having an antagonist or not doesn't really matter.

I agree that hunter to important to get rid of though even if they stop making ntr scenes as I don't think Ophelia or Kumiko will advance without Hunter meddling in some way
 
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Hey guys, there is a Status Update on Patreon and i want to share here so you guys can understand the delay. It can't be any clearer that the delay is all patreons fault.

TLDR; Patreon is forcing WWG to go over the game and remove all Incest content that may have slipped through, all content that somehow "implies" incest and any blackmail or non-con. He then has to submit a build to their liking and they have to green light it. This is going to cause a delay and he hopes for a very early June release.



Back in January, the Patreon Trust & Safety team contacted me with the news that my project was against Patreon's guidelines for acceptable content. When asked what content was against their TOS, they listed the What If series. Since I couldn't alter those What Ifs without butchering them, I told Patreon that I'd remove the offending content. The Trust & Safety team then asked what content I'd be providing. I told them about the main game, Power Vacuum. I provided them a link and they didn't get back to me for four months.
Which brings us to last week when they finally got back to me(yes, four months later) to tell me that much of Power Vacuum is against their TOS. If you're familiar with Patreon's guidelines, you'd know that incest isn't allowed. But according to Patreon's Trust & Safety team, even implications of incest aren't allowed. Dialogue such as "You're like a sister to me." or "We're like a family." are now against the TOS. Of course, blackmail and non-consent content were also brought up.
So now, I have to comb through all of Power Vacuum's dialogue for anything that breaks Patreon's wide reaching TOS. I will also have to disable all NTR content in the Patreon version of the game. I'll still be making the same amount of NTR content but NTR will be set to "off" by default in Power Vacuum.
Having to rebuild the game will regrettably lead to a delay for Chapter 10. My initial schedule had me releasing at the end of May, but with how things are going with Patreon, I'm hesitant to give a date. With how open ended their TOS has become, I fear there may be a chance they could reject my first rebuild. Ideally, I can get the rebuild approved and the update out before June 7th. I'm sorry, I know it's been a long wait for Chapter 10 but hopefully it won't be much longer.
For everyone that upgraded their pledge in anticipation of a May release, you can lower/cancel your pledge in June and still get the perks you had in May. When the beta or official release is out, just message me on Patreon and I will send you the appropriate links.
If you have questions, I'd appreciate it if you could take them to the Power Vacuum Discord.
These Patreon execs are sneaky fuckers. They're probably the biggest fans of the game. They get to play the game even before it is released on the Patreon. Must be one of those NTR haters :p.
 

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Let me know if you want me to add the previous ones also.
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Yeah, if you could, it would be nice to have them all in one place, for the future as well.
 

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These Patreon execs are sneaky fuckers. They're probably the biggest fans of the game. They get to play the game even before it is released on the Patreon. Must be one of those NTR haters :p.
the sad thing is they will have reported the game because the halfwitts think cutting the NTR content will speed up the game updates, when it will probably just slow it down with the extra work needed to make the patches and hide any clues that might trigger Patreon TOS
 
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dartred

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Exactly, what could have been out any day now, (maybe even today!) is now pushed back to next month or even further. All because someone reported the what ifs. The case worker just took a terrible time to get back to WWG. If that worker waited until next month to get back to him, the game would have been in our hands and WWG would have had to comply with the changes starting from the next chapter.
 

evyleu

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the sad thing is they will have reported the game because the halfwitts think cutting the NTR content will speed up the game updates, when it will probably just slow it down with the extra work needed to make the patches and hide any clues that might trigger Patreon TOS
He was reported for uploading content not allowed on patreon and game developers didn't read the site rules. He was reported for wincest content*, NTR is allowed ... so it makes no sense complaining about an "NTR attack", it's an attack on wincest content*.
 

dartred

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report was done after what if 4, which was easily the darkest content we've ever gotten. It was clear that they didn't like that it was Hunter content. If it had been the same scene, but Sterling, you know it wouldn't have been reported. It's the content that made the person file the report, but he probably hit the incest and rape checkbox in the report.

because like you said, you can't report for ntr specifically.
 
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Fayn Arawn

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He was reported for uploading content not allowed on patreon and game developers didn't read the site rules. He was reported for wincest content*, NTR is allowed ... so it makes no sense complaining about an "NTR attack", it's an attack on wincest content*.
Firstly, you're wrong. Much of the NTR content is non-consensual, which is against Patreon's rules. Incest content is also against their rules, but this didn't seem to bother anyone enough until What If #4.

Secondly, there's a difference between the report's motive and its justification. Yes, the report was about rules violations. But why submit the report at all? Like dartred said, it seems retaliatory for the harsh NTR in What If #4. The timing suggest that is what motivated the report.

This is all painfully obvious and you're being suspiciously obtuse.
 

evyleu

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Firstly, you're wrong. Much of the NTR content is non-consensual, which is against Patreon's rules. Incest content is also against their rules, but this didn't seem to bother anyone enough until What If #4.

Secondly, there's a difference between the report's motive and its justification. Yes, the report was about rules violations. But why submit the report at all? Like dartred said, it seems retaliatory for the harsh NTR in What If #4. The timing suggest that is what motivated the report.

This is all painfully obvious and you're being suspiciously obtuse.
If the report was for "rape content", NTR can be easily done without non consensual content, there is no justification
 

dartred

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No it can't... How the hell do you make it so those girls have willing sex with HUNTER?!

Yes, NTR can be made in OTHER games where the girl is willing, but that has to be established, setup or build up to. There is no reasonable way those girls would want to have sex with their crypt keeper grandpa.
 

Quadclops

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People are so fucking weird, the amount of entitlement people have here on F95 and Patreon when involving any sort of OPTIONAL content in games i.e. NTR, Futa, Lesbian etc, that they think the dev should either remove it or that the game in question now sucks because of it is ridiculous. Do not try to force your opinions on others, if you don't like it then avoid it, the fact that people allegedly reported the What If series because "they don't like NTR" is so dumb. They aren't canon and are known to usually be explicitly NTR content, so just don't play it if you don't like it, it's not that hard.
 

Quadclops

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I've talked to a few devs that do NTR and they have told me that the "fans" that harass them more are not the NTR, but the anti-NTR fans. They find the NTR fans are usually more friendly.

this thread is a great example.
Just look at every other game thread on F95. "Uhhh NTR in this game, no thanks." "Why did this dev have to add avoidable NTR? This game sucks now." "Another NTR game, unfollowed."

Cool I don't need your two cents or stupid comments, just don't play it then, simple.
 

Fayn Arawn

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If the report was for "rape content", NTR can be easily done without non consensual content, there is no justification
You know what's even easier? Ignoring content you don't like. I don't like Saint Seiya, but I don't have to tell you that. I can just ignore it. See how that works? Easy.;)

Or are you saying you would prefer if the women in this game willingly consent to Hunter? Maybe I've underestimated you.:unsure:
 
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