Ranma

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I agree it's not about control, but Lukec7 brings up a pertinent debate: whether sexual entertainment reduces or increases real life sexual abuse. This is relevant because it points to the reasoning behind the censorship: that sexual entertainment will inspire its audience to commit sexual abuse in real life.

I'm of the opinion sexual entertainment actually reduces sexual abuse, because some use the entertainment as an alternative.
The same way that violence in video-games doesn't directly correlate to violence in real life like many politicians would want you to believe, but they still double and triple down on it, no matter how many times their point has been proven wrong, time and time again.
 

Lukec7

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My god, get bent on a badly picked word. I didn't mean it literally, guess only Fayn got my main point. I still think tho regardless of what you're doing (in this case a fictional 3dcg game) as long as it's fiction there shouldn't be any limits. My opinion.

And thanks for the book recommendation.
 
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Dodoo92

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It would have been already here (actually update was planned for end of may) if people didnt report the game and whatifs on Patreon, so the dev has to go through the game and change some dialogue and whatnot, so we have to wait a bit more
 

lipe2410

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Any update about patreon situation? WWG is still editing the game or already sent to patreon and now is waiting for the feedback?
 
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OmegaZero21

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It would have been already here (actually update was planned for end of may) if people didnt report the game and whatifs on Patreon, so the dev has to go through the game and change some dialogue and whatnot, so we have to wait a bit more
Try a decent amount of dialogue and possibly some events anything having to do possible incest and forced sexual content. In other words pretty much Hunter's whole character.
 

Doctorshemp

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I don't get it. Does Patreon pay that much money that WWG doesn't consider switching to other platforms or is it something else that stops him from doing so?
 

dartred

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His reasoning before was that he had SS at the start and nobody used it. Everyone would get the game on Patreon. So he disabled his SS. The reason now is because his next game will be Vanilla and it would make sense on Patreon, since it won't need to hide anything that would need SS. So he is toughing it out and doing what Patreon is asking him too.
 

hbppppah

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but he already has a vanilla version of the game. couldnt he just turn off the NTR part on the patreon release and make an NTR patch or something? I think the bigger Problem is the Sis Mom slip here and there
 
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Maestro91

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but he already has a vanilla version of the game. couldnt he just turn off the NTR part on the patreon release and make an NTR patch or something? I think the bigger Problem is the Sis Mom slip here and there
I think that is the plan, but even supposed "implications" about incest has to go according to patreon. Phrases like "you're like family to me" and "like a sister" has to go too.
 

OmegaZero21

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I think that is the plan, but even supposed "implications" about incest has to go according to patreon. Phrases like "you're like family to me" and "like a sister" has to go too.
That's so much bull you could start your own fertilizer business. Next it'll be step siblings or being adopted. Hell how much longer until they come after "landlord" and "tenant"
 
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yourmomma

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These games are gonna get so boring now. This isn't the first one that's under review and had to change its content to please Patreon. Shit is definitely getting reported by squares.
 

Mendez

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I think the dev could take note of what Mr. Dots did back in the day with Dating My Daughter. Just take the offensive game down from patreon, start a second vanilla game with super slow updates, and just sort of keep working on the original game behind the scenes. Like, it would be a bit of a pain in the ass to have a separate dev site for promo and downloads, but I'm sure the patreon subscribers would stick around and know what's up with a bit of communication. Let's be real too, this dev puts out pure gold, so keeping those subscribers probably won't be an issue. That's just my 2 cents.
 

Maestro91

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That's so much bull you could start your own fertilizer business. Next it'll be step siblings or being adopted. Hell how much longer until they come after "landlord" and "tenant"
Step-relation and adoption is already out, at least from other games I've seen. Any mention of familiarity except friends.
Landlord and tenant is still allowed of course.
 

Guyin Cognito

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Regardless of who's house it is or what the fine print in the contract says, this is not the same thing as people appearing on a talk show or radio show, or even commenting online on someone else's article.

Patreon's entire set-up and business model revolves around the idea of freeing artists from the restrictive control of doing their work as employees of a larger company that would tell them what to do and what not to do. The whole point is for individuals to work independently and be compensated directly by their fans, so that they can do the art they want to do and express themselves freely. That's Patreon's whole sales pitch.

Allowing themselves to be kowtowed by faux-moralist credit card companies and then pass that oppression on to their clients flies in the face of the entire concept, and it's shitty of them to choose to give in to these demands rather than find another way to process payments. There's a bunch of options out there these days, and clearly other people like SubscribeStar have found a way to avoid it. So, even if Patreon "has the right" to do it, it's still fucking bullshit.

There's another thing also, and this might get a little uncomfortable or too real for some, but it is what it is. They (the larger "they") are not just doing this to prevent abuse. That has actually been statistically proven to be backwards, so if anything they are contributing to abuse. They've made it obvious in many ways that they don't actually care about protecting children (which is technically a separate issue from incest anyway, but they always conflate them). It's part of the grander plan to force Americans to live according the laws of a specific subset of a specific religion. Case in point, I myself am a Christian, but I don't believe god gives any more of a rat's ass about incest than he does shellfish, pork, or mixed fabrics.

They're doing it because they are aware that there are actually a lot of consenting adults engaging in incestuous relationships that are simply forced to keep it a secret. These are people that are trying their best to get changes made to laws (which is supposed to be a key part of America's structure of government) to allow them to live their lives how they choose without getting themselves arrested in the process. This is a battle that has been going on behind the scenes for a while now, and it has only recently started making it into some rare headlines here and there, but it's the next thing coming in America's culture of warring for rights. This is going to become a bigger issue within the next few decades at the latest, I'm sure of it.

They're not hurting anybody. They're not infringing upon anyone else's rights. The only reason incest is illegal in the first place is because there are people trying to take away our freedom of religion by default, by forcing their beliefs on the public through abuse of power. The credit card companies are either among those or trying to "look clean" to those people, because they think that's the best plan for their bottom line. I'm not even sure they're right about that at this point. On the rare articles I see about it, the majority of the comments are essentially, "who gives a shit, let them do what they want." Patreon is going along with it because they don't feel like putting up a fight.

As a result of it all, artists are suffering imposition on their expression, adults are having their rights oppressed, and children are more likely to be abused. All in the name of power, control, and money. So, yeah, whether Patreon is within the rights of their contract to do it, it's still bullshit.

P.S.:
Just for the record, I've never had a daughter or a sister, and I wouldn't touch my mother with a ten meter cattle-prod (we DON'T get along anymore). I just don't like hypocrisy and fascism.
 
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