Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[Guyin Cognito]

I'm confused. What brought about this post?

Sorry, somebody else mentioned "the Duggar case" in reference to the hypocrisy of the moralists, and I didn't know what had happened in that case. So this was my response to finding out about that, and how it relates to the issue of Fundamentalist or other Christian groups being in control of payment systems, trying to blame porn and act all holier-than-thou, while crazy awful crap like this goes on in the world with wrist slap punishments.
The parents aren't willing to have sex without getting pregnant, so they've got like 30 kids.
Their daughter isn't allowed to dance at her own wedding, because dancing is a sinfully sexual display.
And when it comes out the eldest son is a child molester it's all just,
"IT'S PORN'S FAULT! PORN MADE ME DO IT! OOOHH THAT EVIL PORN! BAN PORN!"
So, yeah, the idea that it's that kind of people in charge of the biggest payment systems and credit card companies telling us what we're not allowed to buy and sell with cartoon characters in it just makes me lose my shit.

 

[ScareKing]

Sorry, somebody else mentioned "the Duggar case" in reference to the hypocrisy of the moralists, and I didn't know what had happened in that case. So this was my response to finding out about that, and how it relates to the issue of Fundamentalist or other Christian groups being in control of payment systems, trying to blame porn and act all holier-than-thou, while crazy awful crap like this goes on in the world with wrist slap punishments.
The parents aren't willing to have sex without getting pregnant, so they've got like 30 kids.
Their daughter isn't allowed to dance at her own wedding, because dancing is a sinfully sexual display.
And when it comes out the eldest son is a child molester it's all just,
"IT'S PORN'S FAULT! PORN MADE ME DO IT! OOOHH THAT EVIL PORN! BAN PORN!"
So, yeah, the idea that it's that kind of people in charge of the biggest payment systems and credit card companies telling us what we're not allowed to buy and sell with cartoon characters in it just makes me lose my shit.

Porn its not something everyone talk about with pride being religious or not, i dont thing payment systems are trying to follow religous believe because they allow gay content for example, its more like they are trying to follow the laws, incest its a crime in almost the whole world, same with rape, i think they follow those rules to avoid problems.

 

[Hermit76]

Porn its not something everyone talk about with pride being religious or not, i dont thing payment systems are trying to follow religous believe because they allow gay content for example, its more like they are trying to follow the laws, incest its a crime in almost the whole world, same with rape, i think they follow those rules to avoid problems.

But isn't committing something very different to telling a story story about it? I mean, with that point writing crime stories would be forbidden, too, because someone gets murdered in the story, which is also a crime.

 

[dartred]

I'm pretty sure rape and incest in a novel you can buy in bookshelf is not illegal.

 

[jond2760]

I'm pretty sure rape and incest in a novel you can buy in bookshelf is not illegal.

Yeah it's called The Bible.

 

[iphantom!]

I'm pretty sure rape and incest in a novel you can buy in bookshelf is not illegal.

I agree with dartred. In that line of reasoning: murder, illicit drug use, adultery, and grand theft auto often occur in all forms of entertainment media one can possibly consume. Illegal activities of all sorts are often compelling subject matter, and they are allowed to be sold and consumed in fiction. If one doesn't like those subjects, they don't buy those products, it's really that simple.

And it's not like WWG games and PV are mainstream production studios/games involved in high profile advertising campaigns. It's all make believe and part of a relatively obscure niche interest/market. Technically it is not even a matter of free speech either. One (WWG) is free to create such games/stories (in America at least), but when it comes to economic support that is a different subject. Ultimately, regardless of subject matter, these platforms (PayPal/Patreon) are companies that are free to do business with, and not do business with, whoever they wish, regardless of the content.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone was irked by WWG's success and reported the content just to illicit the "eye of censorship" from Patreon out of some jealousy or other ill-will. Hopefully it's just a paranoid thought, and ultimately it cannot be proven or disproven. Just speculation, but there are other Patreon supported games that include far more taboo, or more obviously taboo content than PV. As long as no one complains, those devs tend to do business unmolested. But once you get that eye on you then good luck.

 

[OmegaZero21]

I'm pretty sure rape and incest in a novel you can buy in bookshelf is not illegal.

Right but add some pictures and it goes from legal to illegal.

So the logical conclusion is we should remove all images from PV and we'll be golden.

 

[Badjourasmix]

Right but add some pictures and it goes from legal to illegal.

Game of thrones was full of incest and rape and that shit was on tv.

 

[OmegaZero21]

Game of thrones was full of incest and rape and that shit was on tv.

But it was a major Network so it's perfectly fine.

 

[ScareKing]

But isn't committing something very different to telling a story story about it? I mean, with that point writing crime stories would be forbidden, too, because someone gets murdered in the story, which is also a crime.

I know its not the same but theres a couple of country who believes games/movies could make someone more violent, here in Brasil happens pretty often when they found the criminals also like to play games, i think those company its just overprotective, and who knows what you can or can not do in other countrys, i dont agree with those rules but i think that would be an excuse for them.

 

[ScareKing]

But it was a major Network so it's perfectly fine.

Besides being two people without any blood relationship, in games, its just a bunch of pixels who could become anything, even two people from the same family, to be honest, i think patreon and payment companies should explain that but thats probably never going to happen.

 

[Badjourasmix]

Patreon is just a shitty platform. There have been a lot of creators that have had issues with censorship on patreon.

 

[dartred]

once CH 10 gets releases, it "should" be smooth sailings. He won't be asked to fix any past chapters and he will be careful how he words going forward. So something like this shouldn't happen again. Shame too, because the what ifs can't be as dark as some of us would have wanted them, but it's better then closing up shop.

 

[Nick Black]

once CH 10 gets releases, it "should" be smooth sailings. He won't be asked to fix any past chapters and he will be careful how he words going forward. So something like this shouldn't happen again. Shame too, because the what ifs can't be as dark as some of us would have wanted them, but it's better then closing up shop.

Maybe I'll say bullshit, but if the problem is born for what if, why WWG doesn't continue the main story on patreon, and use F95 to publish the what if series?

 

[dartred]

Patreon wouldn't allow that. What ifs are a tier reward and it's not allowed to break the rules even if it's handed out outside of patreon.

also, how would he manage it? who would get to choose and vote for which what if is being created? If voting takes place here, we'll get interference from people who aren't pledged.

If voting takes place on patreon, then it goes back to the first part about not being allowed to hand it out if it would break rules.

WWG can't be associated with it in anyway, if it breaks rules.

 

[OmegaZero21]

I know its not the same but theres a couple of country who believes games/movies could make someone more violent, here in Brasil happens pretty often when they found the criminals also like to play games, i think those company its just overprotective, and who knows what you can or can not do in other countrys, i dont agree with those rules but i think that would be an excuse for them.

And the US is probably number 1 on the list of Countries with that mindset. it's what happens when our Law makers are old to remember when PONG first came out

 

[Badjourasmix]

Patreon wouldn't allow that. What ifs are a tier reward and it's not allowed to break the rules even if it's handed out, outside of patreon.

also, how would be manage it? who would not get to choose and vote for which what if is being created? If voting takes place here, we'll get interference from people who aren't pledged.

If voting takes place on patreon, then it goes back to the first part about not being allowed to hand it out if it would break rules.

WWG can't be associated with it in anyway, if it breaks rules.

One solution could be, making the what if stuff exclusive to another platform like subscribestar. There are devs that release their games on patreon and uncensored versions of the same game on subscribestar and they don't seem to have any issues.

 

[Guyin Cognito]

Yeah it's called The Bible.

And here I was thinking of making a whole list of books like Lolita and Flowers In the Attic. The Bible has everything!

Addendum:

I agree with dartred. In that line of reasoning: murder, illicit drug use, adultery, and grand theft auto often occur in all forms of entertainment media one can possibly consume. Illegal activities of all sorts are often compelling subject matter, and they are allowed to be sold and consumed in fiction. If one doesn't like those subjects, they don't buy those products, it's really that simple.

And it's not like WWG games and PV are mainstream production studios/games involved in high profile advertising campaigns. It's all make believe and part of a relatively obscure niche interest/market. Technically it is not even a matter of free speech either. One (WWG) is free to create such games/stories (in America at least), but when it comes to economic support that is a different subject. Ultimately, regardless of subject matter, these platforms (PayPal/Patreon) are companies that are free to do business with, and not do business with, whoever they wish, regardless of the content.

I wouldn't be surprised if someone was irked by WWG's success and reported the content just to illicit the "eye of censorship" from Patreon out of some jealousy or other ill-will. Hopefully it's just a paranoid thought, and ultimately it cannot be proven or disproven. Just speculation, but there are other Patreon supported games that include far more taboo, or more obviously taboo content than PV. As long as no one complains, those devs tend to do business unmolested. But once you get that eye on you then good luck.

Not to mention that a LOT of action movie heroes are technically illegally operating vigilantes and therefore murderers. Even John McClain was outside his jurisdiction. Dude killed what, like 8 people in one night? Hell, that's nothing. The Punisher is a straight-up serial killer. I root for him every time, but I can't argue that the dude has murdered more people than every real world serial killer combined, by the roomful.

 

[lipe2410]

Is not possible he give the what if to the supporters posting it in a exclusive channel in discord?

 

[Nick Black]

One solution could be, making the what if stuff exclusive to another platform like subscribestar. There are devs that release their games on patreon and uncensored versions of the same game on subscribestar and they don't seem to have any issues.

For some time I have been practicing with DAZ and RPG maker because I too would like to start creating content that can also be shared on F95, and maybe make it more of a hobby, but honestly, seeing the work of WWG, which risked losing out due to an update of the patreon rules, it made me pass inspiration xD