Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

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acewinz said:
That is one way to look at it. I just want to say that I like Power Vacuum overall, and was an early supporter because of the comedy, quality, and heartfelt moments with the cast and MC. I even thought the initial method of including optional "parody" NTR funny and innovative compared to the other versions out there, but just initially. It has become something else now. It started as a little "light hearted", relatively, way of including the fetish, while not really denigrating (my main concern) the characters, because it starts with short instance brought about through drugs or trickery of the girls and a MC who choose that path, and like you say restricted to "bad ends". But it "evolved" unfortunately... obviously because of how much money it is bringing in.

While "non-canon", the characters themselves stay in character during the bad ends and the what-if's, meaning that pretty much every female character in the game not only has the potential to become a relatively mindless cock-sleeve, but does so far more easily for the NTR scenarios (albeit, not as easily as your typical NTR), even when initially there is an excuse/lever to push them into it it is still very damaging to their characters as far as the main game is considered imho, especially in their treatment of Sterling in many of the scenarios. One canon part of the game itself that is proof that this is more of a multi-verse reality than random bad ends, is the fact the Gramps did to the MC's dad and his immediate family exactly what happens to the MC in the NTR situations. The MC never has (as is usual with NTR), an easier road (which is realistic, but hardly fair compared to the NTR).

Then add in all the girls first times going all the way, are almost always NTR, and you cannot tell me as a developer that a considerable portion of time and resources (rendering alone!) that could be spent on the main game are not instead being spent on the "What-if's" to bring in more cash overall across a longer development time, at a determent to the main game for vanilla players. I am quite positive the overall content NTR-vs non, is probably pretty even all together, but for a game where that started as non-canon side stuff... that doesn't seem to be the case now. There is also the potentially darker aspect I worry about, that everything happening in the main line of the game, is just a method for Gramps to train Sterling into being a new kind of seducer, one that uses feelings rather than drugs to achieve the same ends. Which while better, is still in it's own way a subversion of the "battle" between the two. Just a theory, but a scary one.

It is what it is and you do what you do as a developer to make a game profitable within your desired wheelhouse, and this is an interesting game. But you are putting a bit more sugar on it all than is fair I think.
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Fetish content has buyers who pay good compared to non f/casual players. Find out what's the ratio and organize a coup d'etat on the right time. Meanwhile find other vanilla games there are some real hidden gems around here.
 
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paginou said:
Why... because when you attract a certain audience, in this case harem fans, and then add something like ntr, the direct antithesis, along the line, you have gone against what your core audience wants. Either you do both courses from the beginning or you don't do it at all. Look at what happened to Foot of the Mountains. Dev added a route into the game, and people were understandably pissed off. You can't cultivate a harem audience, then shoot the old switcheroo and expect it to go well.
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THIS. For this reason alone I cannot get back to this game, despite its undeniable quality. It's the breach of trust that seals the deal for me. I had a girlfriend in highschool who cheated on me with her "gay" best friend, just to "help him out". I dumped her ass, deleted her number and never talked to her again. It's been 17 years since then, and I still resent her to this day.
 
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Cavpal said:
THIS. For this reason alone I cannot get back to this game, despite its undeniable quality. It's the breach of trust that seals the deal for me. I had a girlfriend in highschool who cheated on me with her "gay" best friend, just to "help him out". I dumped her ass, deleted her number and never talked to her again. It's been 17 years since then, and I still resent her to this day.
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The non-canon NTR was always in the game since chapter 1.
 
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Cavpal said:
THIS. For this reason alone I cannot get back to this game, despite its undeniable quality. It's the breach of trust that seals the deal for me. I had a girlfriend in highschool who cheated on me with her "gay" best friend, just to "help him out". I dumped her ass, deleted her number and never talked to her again. It's been 17 years since then, and I still resent her to this day.
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Except "THIS" doesn't apply to this game lol you guys really are feelings over facts.
 
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Miliryan said:
Wow, I arrived this forum after Ch. 10 came out. But after updates it is honestly a scary place with all these arguments.

And here i am scratching my head in disbelief.
From what i know, it looks like "What Ifs" are made as a 'Thank you!' for high tier patreons. So i think it is fair that they decide what it will be about. If it is something you don't like, then it is what it is. I mean it is a bonus minigame.

Moreover, "What Ifs" are made in WWG's free time. And there are people who are straight up deny it, and say "What Ifs" are taking time from the main game. On one hand it is ridiculous, because with these statements they call the dev a liar. On the other hand it is sad because they have no trust in him. In the dev, who delivers one of the best quality game.

Same with the NTR argument. Don't like it? No problem, you literally have the option to avoid it. Not some, we don't see it, but still happens behind the walls bullshit. It just does not happen. All i see is that some people scared of the mere thought, that there is an alternative timeline, where the girl gets fucked by someone else. Of course i root for the MC too. But these bad endings offer something different, if you don't want to see just vanilla.
Oh, and i played the 10 chapters together, so i can say the vanilla content easily outwieghs the NTR content. Of coure, if the overall game's quality gets better with every chapter, it will be true to the NTR scenes as well.

Ok, this comment may seem unnecessary. But i can understand when somebody is not liking something and give voice to his/her opinion. What i can't understand when people deny facts, and stubbornly hold on to their own theory.
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Thats how the "non canon" content affects the main story, the NTR in this game just makes the LIs feel like even more of an NPC than in the main route.
not once in the whole main route have an LI outright rejected Hunters pursuit or noticed that theres something stinky going on with that well stinky old man.

At this point you can call every LI in this game walking naive holes when it comes to every other male than Sterling, because you bet that if Sterling is not there to save them, theyre gonna get fucked and oh boy they will enjoy it. To the point that they forget all about what Sterling means to them just from the sheer pleasure, they have no say in the outcome of Hunters pursuit.

The only one that can prevent it is MC himself and the only way to solve the conflict is to remove Hunter from the house because as I said the LIs dont have enough willpower to stop themselves from getting raped.

It creates an effect that makes the LIs come out as extremely hypocritical because they have deep complicated personalities that Sterling need to breakthrough little by little in the main route, but become one dimensional cumsluts when it comes to any other pursuer instead of Sterling.

one of the main selling point of this VN is the unique personalities of the family-members and how Sterling is interacting with them to ensure the best outcome, but you see in the bad ending it all falls apart just to get to sex.

When it comes to the interactions with Sterling the girls can be witty, smart, funny, emotional, tragic. but with Hunter.... well... they are just HORNY and nothing else. for me it breaks the whole immersion for the whole story going forward.

I would offer a solution for that is to make the choices for the bad endings come from the LIs and not from sterling.
 
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acewinz said:
While "non-canon", the characters themselves stay in character during the bad ends and the what-if's, meaning that pretty much every female character in the game not only has the potential to become a relatively mindless cock-sleeve, but does so far more easily for the NTR scenarios (albeit, not as easily as your typical NTR), even when initially there is an excuse/lever to push them into it it is still very damaging to their characters as far as the main game is considered imho, especially in their treatment of Sterling in many of the scenarios.
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Only1P said:
At this point you can call every LI in this game walking naive holes when it comes to every other male than Sterling, because you bet that if Sterling is not there to save them, theyre gonna get fucked and oh boy they will enjoy it. To the point that they forget all about what Sterling means to them just from the sheer pleasure, they have no say in the outcome of Hunters pursuit.

The only one that can prevent it is MC himself and the only way to solve the conflict is to remove Hunter from the house because as I said the LIs dont have enough willpower to stop themselves from getting raped.

It creates an effect that makes the LIs come out as extremely hypocritical because they have deep complicated personalities that Sterling need to breakthrough little by little in the main route, but become one dimensional cumsluts when it comes to any other pursuer instead of Sterling.

one of the main selling point of this VN is the unique personalities of the family-members and how Sterling is interacting with them to ensure the best outcome, but you see in the bad ending it all falls apart just to get to sex.

When it comes to the interactions with Sterling the girls can be witty, smart, funny, emotional, tragic. but with Hunter.... well... they are just HORNY and nothing else. for me it breaks the whole immersion for the whole story going forward.
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These are valid points, and it has occurred to me also that the females might be too "easy" and would fall for anyone with a big enough cock.

On the other hand this is a far-fetched comedy incest porn story, so suspension-of-disbelief is a prerequisite to enjoy the overall scenario anyway.

How about this: in bad-ends and what-ifs, the females are uninhibited and easy to seduce, but the "canon" females are actually not such easy prey?
 
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Ghostboy031 said:
It's literally on the game description, use your eyes you numpty
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You have to click on the game to see the description and bigguy is saying people who are not interested in ntr won't bother clicking because they'll see the big NTR sign on the update
 
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Only1P said:
Thats how the "non canon" content affects the main story, the NTR in this game just makes the LIs feel like even more of an NPC than in the main route.
not once in the whole main route have an LI outright rejected Hunters pursuit or noticed that theres something stinky going on with that well stinky old man.

At this point you can call every LI in this game walking naive holes when it comes to every other male than Sterling, because you bet that if Sterling is not there to save them, theyre gonna get fucked and oh boy they will enjoy it. To the point that they forget all about what Sterling means to them just from the sheer pleasure, they have no say in the outcome of Hunters pursuit.

The only one that can prevent it is MC himself and the only way to solve the conflict is to remove Hunter from the house because as I said the LIs dont have enough willpower to stop themselves from getting raped.

It creates an effect that makes the LIs come out as extremely hypocritical because they have deep complicated personalities that Sterling need to breakthrough little by little in the main route, but become one dimensional cumsluts when it comes to any other pursuer instead of Sterling.

one of the main selling point of this VN is the unique personalities of the family-members and how Sterling is interacting with them to ensure the best outcome, but you see in the bad ending it all falls apart just to get to sex.

When it comes to the interactions with Sterling the girls can be witty, smart, funny, emotional, tragic. but with Hunter.... well... they are just HORNY and nothing else. for me it breaks the whole immersion for the whole story going forward.

I would offer a solution for that is to make the choices for the bad endings come from the LIs and not from sterling.
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I feel like you're overlooking the difference in HOW Sterling and Hunter win over the women. When Sterling gets together with them, it's because he's taken the time to build a relationship and earn their love and trust. The reason it seems like they turn into horny mindless playthings with Hunter is because Hunter is actually doing things like dosing them with mind altering substances, hypnotizing them, tricking them, or otherwise coercing them to eliminate their existing willpower as a factor and make them uncontrollably horny. Saying that it makes them seem like they secretly are just "naive holes" because of what Hunter does is literally slut-shaming women that have been drugged, raped, and brainwashed. Of course it looks different when Hunter gets them, because his methods are completely different from Sterling's and are designed to break the girls' minds. It wouldn't be a "mind-break" if they were sluts to begin with.

"not once in the whole main route have an LI outright rejected Hunters pursuit or noticed that theres something stinky going on with that well stinky old man."
They don't notice, because he's being sneaky and underhanded, and he's been practicing that for decades. The reason they don't outright reject him is because they don't know what he's up to. No normal person anticipates their father or grandfather doing things like Hunter does. They can't reject him if they don't know he's after them.
 
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stupidbug said:
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...wut? You appear to be suggesting the What If's are not separated and then ... showing a picture of them listed separately... I have no idea what you're trying to do here. That made no sense.

EDIT: Okay, and the thing you quoted was talking about where to find the patch. Yes, they all use the same patch file, but the What If stories each need to be downloaded separately, and they each need the patch added to them individually.
 
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