Only1P

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I feel like you're overlooking the difference in HOW Sterling and Hunter win over the women. When Sterling gets together with them, it's because he's taken the time to build a relationship and earn their love and trust. The reason it seems like they turn into horny mindless playthings with Hunter is because Hunter is actually doing things like dosing them with mind altering substances, hypnotizing them, tricking them, or otherwise coercing them to eliminate their existing willpower as a factor and make them uncontrollably horny. Saying that it makes them seem like they secretly are just "naive holes" because of what Hunter does is literally slut-shaming women that have been drugged, raped, and brainwashed. Of course it looks different when Hunter gets them, because his methods are completely different from Sterling's and are designed to break the girls' minds. It wouldn't be a "mind-break" if they were sluts to begin with.

"not once in the whole main route have an LI outright rejected Hunters pursuit or noticed that theres something stinky going on with that well stinky old man."
They don't notice, because he's being sneaky and underhanded, and he's been practicing that for decades. The reason they don't outright reject him is because they don't know what he's up to. No normal person anticipates their father or grandfather doing things like Hunter does. They can't reject him if they don't know he's after them.
But where do you put the line?
For chapters 1-7 I would 100% agree with you on that (80% alcohol to ophelia, dropping substance in the soup etc.)

But as for the latest chapters (8-10) I would argue that the LIs are as much drugged in their interactions with Sterling as they are in the interactions with Hunter in the bad end.
In fact I would say that if they werent drugged by Hunter in the first place none of the naughty stuff with Sterling wouldve happened at all, not even close.

one example I can give is in CH 9 in the bad end with Cath and Amber, theres no emphasis on Hunter drugging them extra to get into their pants, in fact theres much more emphasis again on drugging Sterling to get him out of the picture so Hunter will be the one that satisfies them.

But still in the dialog theres far more inhibitions put up from the LIs when it comes to Sterling compared to Hunter scenes.
For example Amber shames Cath for having sex with her Brother but none of that comes up with Hunter which is still incest.

Another example in ch. 10 ophelia is as much drugged from the wine with Sterling but still only lets him fuck her in the ass while Hunter goes from 0 to a 100 real fast.

Edit: I wanna add that we both can agree that IRL girls that have been drugged are extremely far form how its presented in this game, we all know that girls that have been drugged and raped IRL lose the ability to speak think and see clearly and most of them certainly dont enjoy the experience (not even talking about carrying the baby of the rapist), while here the girls clearly know what theyre doing, so saying that im slut-shaming based on my takes on the game doesnt hold any weight according to that.


Can you still say that the difference in approach by the two characters is the only factor that decides the outcome of each scene?
 
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Only1P

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The reason why the girls get corrupted so easily by people like Hunter is because he uses certain emotional baggage or slimey situations to manipulate and get what he wants. And once he gets them, they're his. He also uses drugs sometimes lol, soooo....

Sterling doesn't take advantage of any of that and instead tries to actually build trust with the girls. But you can't deny that once Sterling gets a girl they become a cumslut for them too. It just is more effort from the player's perspective because Sterling has to build that connection rather than take it.

So sure. The girls are easy once they submit. But this isn't unrealistic. People manipulate others to get them to do what they want all the time. People like Hunter exist and do in a way take "shortcuts" to getting what they want with manipulation rather than through genuine connection.
But what does that trust and love mean in the end?
If the girls can get manipulated so easily and then they are taken away thats it, now they are loyal to the antagonist just because of pleasure (What If 4).
so based on that you can say that pleasure hold far more importance to them than care and sincerity.

Once the dick is inside the conflict ends, all the build up of trust and love means jack shit if all it takes is for another dick to get in there and suddenly theyre 7 months pregnant with a child of someone that you tried to save them from all along.
Theres no in between the LIs are not putting any resistance once the sex starts.

But we still dont know what will be the meaning of love & trust in the main route so I guess we need to wait and see while holding the hopes that this game actually gets finished.
 
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Miliryan

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Thats how the "non canon" content affects the main story, the NTR in this game just makes the LIs feel like even more of an NPC than in the main route.
not once in the whole main route have an LI outright rejected Hunters pursuit or noticed that theres something stinky going on with that well stinky old man.

At this point you can call every LI in this game walking naive holes when it comes to every other male than Sterling, because you bet that if Sterling is not there to save them, theyre gonna get fucked and oh boy they will enjoy it. To the point that they forget all about what Sterling means to them just from the sheer pleasure, they have no say in the outcome of Hunters pursuit.

The only one that can prevent it is MC himself and the only way to solve the conflict is to remove Hunter from the house because as I said the LIs dont have enough willpower to stop themselves from getting raped.

It creates an effect that makes the LIs come out as extremely hypocritical because they have deep complicated personalities that Sterling need to breakthrough little by little in the main route, but become one dimensional cumsluts when it comes to any other pursuer instead of Sterling.

one of the main selling point of this VN is the unique personalities of the family-members and how Sterling is interacting with them to ensure the best outcome, but you see in the bad ending it all falls apart just to get to sex.

When it comes to the interactions with Sterling the girls can be witty, smart, funny, emotional, tragic. but with Hunter.... well... they are just HORNY and nothing else. for me it breaks the whole immersion for the whole story going forward.

I would offer a solution for that is to make the choices for the bad endings come from the LIs and not from sterling.

I can understand your point. It seems to be frustrating, how the MC has to work his way into the girls pants, while Hunter or other NTR antagonists get the prize more easily.
Why are they become cumsluts for guys like Hunter? Well, because they are cumsluts. Their entire exictence is to become one. I mean they have different and pretty well fleshed out personalities. But what do we know about them? What are their goals in their life, what they want to do? Nobody has a job or anything except Brenna if we count OnlyFans as a job. The purpose of ther life seems to become the MC, Hunter, Drew or anybody's lovers, sluts etc.

My point is, i am also invested in the characters and i like them. But at the end of the day, it is porn. A great one, but still porn. That is why it will never makes sense. Not the NTR, the harem or anything really makes sense. But in the game's own little world it does. And if i take into account these points, i can just simply enjoy it for what is this. A not perfect, but an amazing porn game.
 
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But where do you put the line?
For chapters 1-7 I would 100% agree with you on that (80% alcohol to ophelia, dropping substance in the soup etc.)

But as for the latest chapters (8-10) I would argue that the LIs are as much drugged in their interactions with Sterling as they are in the interactions with Hunter in the bad end.
In fact I would say that if they werent drugged by Hunter in the first place none of the naughty stuff with Sterling wouldve happened at all, not even close.

one example I can give is in CH 9 in the bad end with Cath and Amber, theres no emphasis on Hunter drugging them extra to get into their pants, in fact theres much more emphasis again on drugging Sterling to get him out of the picture so Hunter will be the one that satisfies them.

But still in the dialog theres far more inhibitions put up from the LIs when it comes to Sterling compared to Hunter scenes.
For example Amber shames Cath for having sex with her Brother but none of that comes up with Hunter which is still incest.

Another example in ch. 10 ophelia is as much drugged from the wine with Sterling but still only lets him fuck her in the ass while Hunter goes from 0 to a 100 real fast.

Can you still say that the difference in approach by the two characters is the only factor that decides the outcome of each scene?
If I can play devil's advocate for a moment, maybe underneath all the relationship dynamics the women (like men) are driven by their sexual urges. In reality these things are often a question of "timing", i.e. "if only I had met you first" etc. It's a cynical take, but maybe Hunter is actually right about women, but Sterling doesn't have to be like him and chooses to follow a "good" path simply because he actually cares about the women. Again, this is just for the sake of discussion, and not necessarily my personal view.

By the way, I don't recall any scenes where Hunter fucks the women after Sterling has, which reinforces the idea that it's important to "get there first". I'd like to think that if Hunter had his way with the women after Sterling, that they wouldn't be into it because they've already formed a bond with Sterling.
 
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Miliryan

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By the way, I don't recall any scenes where Hunter fucks the women after Sterling has, which reinforces the idea that it's important to "get there first". I'd like to think that if Hunter had his way with the women after Sterling, that they wouldn't be into it because they've already formed a bond with Sterling.
Except Cathrine, if i remember correctly. It was the MC who fucked her first.
And i can see why people say it would be better, if the MC gets the girls first. But it has it's own risks. Remember when Hunter fucked Catherine? She said "It is the best thing that's ever happened to me". So yeah, i don't know that you see my point.
If the MC fucks the girl first, then Hunter or Drew, and she says it is better with them. Well, the emotional demage can be worse this way. It was worse with Catherine, especially because how passionate was the sex between her and the MC with full of genuine love. (With Hunter it was just mindless fucking.)
 

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Except Cathrine, if i remember correctly. It was the MC who fucked her first.
And i can see why people say it would be better, if the MC gets the girls first. But it has it's own risks. Remember when Hunter fucked Catherine? She said "It is the best thing that's ever happened to me". So yeah, i don't know that you see my point.
If the MC fucks the girl first, then Hunter or Drew, and she says it is better with them. Well, the emotional demage can be worse this way. It was worse with Catherine, especially because how passionate was the sex between her and the MC with full of genuine love. (With Hunter it was just mindless fucking.)
Ah yes, thanks for reminding me, I had sort of forgot the sequence of events with Catherine. I agree that the emotional impact can be much worse when the girls seem to enjoy fucking someone else after they fucked Sterling, which is why I brought it up. Of course this begs the question of how the girls will respond if/when Drew fucks them, since at this point in the story nearly all of them have had sex with Sterling. WWG can only introduce so many new characters, sooner or later Drew is going after the main ones.
 

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I liked this what if not for the story but for the scenes with the pregnant characters the animations are very good as always, the only problem I have with these what ifs is that the dev takes a long time to launch game updates. These What ifs I never play for the story just for the scenes that this dev does that are very good
 

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Looks like you missed my first point.
No, I didn't. Just because Hunter did something he did before, you made the mental gymnastics that all the NTR that's PREVENTABLE actually does happen but in another timeline! It doesn't matter that you fucked the girl! In three other timelines, she fucked three other guys! (in one of them at the same time!) That's just plain dumb, dude.
Second point, I don't believe the "What-if's" are just a spare time thing. Even when I have seen they often reuse content from the main game to set the scene. Maybe I'm wrong, it happens.
It's been said several times by WWG that they're done in spare time when he's not developing PV. I don't know what else to say.
 

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I wonder if people think the dev is working 24/7 on the game. My guess is that he treats it as a 9-to-5 job. And after he is done with his daily hours, he takes time off to do whatever he wants or needs, buy groceries, do exercise, play games, read a book, masturbate, etc. But instead of doing that, he decides to do a mini-game based on the suggestion of a patron of the highest tier basically giving himself even more work and shortening his free hours.
I can't really see the problem in what he is doing. He even gives us regular teasers that show that he is working on the game. If you want to see milking, just see what games like Waifu Academy or Milfy City do. Or did in the latter case.
 
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