Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[acewinz]

This is why I'm very curious about Keira and her mother; they were seduced by Hunter and Drew, and after they were found out, they refused to even talk about what went on.


Some of that is subjective and some is just hyperbole, but yes the game is changing as the story advances and the sex escalates. However, the NTR aspect was always there. It's like a seed that grew slowly into a tree and is now bearing fruit, we all saw it get planted, so it shouldn't be surprising what it grew into.

I thought the same thing about the What-if where Lucia's mom showed up, but her current character wasn't given much chance to be explored. I suppose we could see her show up later or that it just was left as is to minimize the size of that what-if.

The evolution of the side content was surprising to me actually, and I generally have a pretty good feel for plot and character evolution. I wracked it up to the financial drive of the people that wanted it on his patreon and also explained to me the additional expansion via the what-if's and their direction.

 

[MangoMeta]

I meant it appears disingenuous to say the game has changed when you're making the same complaint about NTR being the center of attention that has plagued this thread since Chapter 2.

And if you bring the what ifs into it, obviously NTR has seen an expansion. 80% of the money brought in is telling me what they want to see in the side content. Who am I to argue and what do you expect to see when you point that out? The only argument boils down to how I spend my time. Saying I'm milking because updates take longer, when each chapter has seen a massive increase in content, makes me lump you into the group of people who take issue with the type of side content being made.

how are you going to call it disingenuous when you admit that when you take into account the what ifs its obviously seen a huge expansion. the what if are non cannon just like the ntr thats in the game, using the same characters. people not seperating them is perfectly valid when they are both the exact same content. so yes it has seen a expansion. just own it

 

[jmcronshaw]

Why... because when you attract a certain audience, in this case harem fans, and then add something like ntr, the direct antithesis, along the line, you have gone against what your core audience wants. Either you do both courses from the beginning or you don't do it at all. Look at what happened to Foot of the Mountains. Dev added a route into the game, and people were understandably pissed off. You can't cultivate a harem audience, then shoot the old switcheroo and expect it to go well.

Foot of the Mountains flamed out because it sucked, comparing it to this game is an insult. Power Vaccum is better in every conceivable way.
And this isn't some switcheroo, the NTR stuff has been in the game since the beginning as bad ends, not as some route that got added in 3/4 of the way through development to try to save a sinking ship. It's not even a route, it's 1 or 2 scenes per chapter that can be turned off. The formula has not changed one bit.
The dev has no control over his audience, if someone came into this game thinking it was going to be MILFY City or My New Family or something, they have only themselves to blame, because the dev has been crystal clear from the beginning what his vision is

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

This is why I can't fathom why there is still vanilla fans supporting this game. It's clear they aren't nearly as active in polls so they are getting less and less content with each update.

Also why bother with having to grind out relationships with the LI when the way the NTR scenes go it's obvious they are far more into being cum dumps for any dick thats doesn't belong to the MC, while when vanilla players finally make all the right choices and go through the cliche stepping stones the LI don't even show the same the willingness to make the grind worth it. Since they just love getting drugged and banged by as many dudes as possible just give us the option to corrupt the LI and give them what they "really" want.

 

[What? Why? Games]

how are you going to call it disingenuous when you admit that when you take into account the what ifs its obviously seen a huge expansion. the what if are non cannon just like the ntr thats in the game, using the same characters. people not seperating them is perfectly valid when they are both the exact same content. so yes it has seen a expansion. just own it

Because I said "disingenuous to say the game has changed". Side content has nothing to do with his criticism of the main game which was

Now you can scream that this is all optional, which yes it is, so we have the option to close our eyes, but it is a far cry from the "Wily Coyote" random comedy bad ends that were the initial level of NTR.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

how are you going to call it disingenuous when you admit that when you take into account the what ifs its obviously seen a huge expansion. the what if are non cannon just like the ntr thats in the game, using the same characters. people not seperating them is perfectly valid when they are both the exact same content. so yes it has seen a expansion. just own it

Did the non-NTR content expand also? Do you not understand relativity? Or ingredient ratios in recipes?

 

[MangoMeta]

Because I said "disingenuous to say the game has changed". Side content has nothing to do with his criticism of the main game which was

hes right though. the what ifs are your new expanded bad ends and they in fact arent comedic. not disingenuous.

 

[What? Why? Games]

hes right though. the what ifs are your new expanded bad ends and they in fact arent comedic. not disingenuous.

That's a separate point he made. Doesn't change how the first critique can appear disingenuous after I've suffered through years of people making the exact same complaint and yet he intimates this is all new.

 

[HerbertIronsides]

Look I dont like NTR but if you want to make content on it thats cool and I am sure plenty of others enjoy it. Just out of curiously I skimmed through the latest What if and the only issue I have with it is why does the what ifs get tons of good sex scenes and all that while the main story has been dragging its heels hard for 2-3 chapters now?

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

Did the non-NTR content expand also? Do you not understand relativity? Or ingredient ratios in recipes?

They most definately did not expand at even close to the same rate that the what ifs expanded at, not by a long shot. But we get it. The dev picked the side he prefers to cater to, wether it's his personal preffered content or simple monitary motives.

 

[DD69-1]

Look I dont like NTR but if you want to make content on it thats cool and I am sure plenty of others enjoy it. Just out of curiously I skimmed through the latest What if and the only issue I have with it is why does the what ifs get tons of good sex scenes and all that while the main story has been dragging its heels hard for 2-3 chapters now?

I played the new what if, the end orgy dialogues were hilarious... where Hunter and Sean argue on who the father is
but for the vanilla side, I do agree that the main game, in chapter 10.. Hunter got a pretty big scene with sex angles and shots compared to Sterling [Sterling got ~3 scenes with 1 position].. for that I completely agree that part 10 was Ophelia - Hunter favored... don't know what's planned for Chp.11 scenes for Ophelia and Sterling; hope it makes up for lack of his scenes in chp.10

 

[What? Why? Games]

Look I dont like NTR but if you want to make content on it thats cool and I am sure plenty of others enjoy it. Just out of curiously I skimmed through the latest What if and the only issue I have with it is why does the what ifs get tons of good sex scenes and all that while the main story has been dragging its heels hard for 2-3 chapters now?

Last two to three updates have been dragging? You've been complaining about the content dragging since Chapter 2:

Damn I was really hyped for this since the girls and writing are amazing, but of course another update full of only teasing. I guess maybe next month.

You think this update with have good "content"?

Just looked at the images and its another update with only teasing pretty much. Oh well I guess time to wait for next update again .

Game is 0.4 and still not even a BJ with Mom or either sis. Starting to feel blueballed especially with the updates being as far apart as they are.

Really great game, models, and dialogue. A bit to slow for my taste though. We are on 0.5 and just now got 1 actual good scene with one of the sisters/Mom.

So place your bets will this be yet another teasing update. . .

Why not laugh and fap at the same time? Best of both worlds. Sadly this game has been only teasing every update.

As good as the writing is I still got blue balled yet again. Like wtf was that threesome scene. The Writing cannot change the fact that the game has been out for a year now and we still havnt gotten past BJ with the sisters, and HJ with the mom.

For the next update are we going to finally start getting somewhere? Last few updates have been blueball city

oh don't really remember that my bad I didnt sleep all night lol. But still with the main 3 girls it feels like it is dragging on and on each update.

Alright I give up. This game will just not allow vaginal sex with the family members. They put fucking anal with Brenna before sex. I cannot handle the blue balling this game does to me every update. I only support 2 devs rn and I thought maybe if this update finally didnt blue ball me I would support his patreon but again I am sitting here at the end of the update disappointed. Eveyone loves a good build-up and a bit of teasing in any good incest game but this game is now over a year old and you still can't fuck any of the family members (vaginal), it reaches a certain point where its just annoying and we are way past that point.

Here have fun getting blue balled

there is no vaginal sex with any of the family members, only BJs. Except for one anal scene that kind ruined the progression of the story imo. Other than that one scene its just 1 years worth of blueballing.

 

[acewinz]

I meant it appears disingenuous to say the game has changed when you're making the same complaint about NTR being the center of attention that has plagued this thread since Chapter 2.

And if you bring the what ifs into it, obviously NTR has seen an expansion. 80% of the money brought in is telling me what they want to see in the side content. Who am I to argue and what do you expect to see when you point that out? The only argument boils down to how I spend my time. Saying I'm milking because updates take longer, when each chapter has seen a massive increase in content, makes me lump you into the group of people who take issue with the type of side content being made.

I didn't feel I was making the same complaint, especially since I was a supporter for a lot more of the game than chapter 2 and even messaged you support of what I felt was your initial direction when it came to the side content, and it's initial general repulsion by the anti-ntr crowd. I didn't come in here to just hate on NTR because it exists.

It was just a question of implementation in the main game over time, and quantity when it came to the what-if's, and I acknowledge that you are doing it because that is what the patreons who were willing to pay more wanted. I simply pointed out what, with the evolution of things, I had an issue with that I felt was reasonable.

It is also your prerogative to monetize and market it as best you can and I know how things can balloon when your cast and complexity increase over a story, but you have to expect some push-back, reasonable and not, when you started to do side spin-offs of such length and regularity while the regular game updates have slowed even for mostly valid reasons. I know you have heard all that and understand the animosity.

Because I said "disingenuous to say the game has changed". Side content has nothing to do with his criticism of the main game which was

Your side content is in the same universe with the same characters in most cases, it is going to reflect on the main game and your attention to it, and to me and others, was a way to further cater to your growing number of NTR preferred patreons while trying to circumvent some of the blow-back from vanilla. I get it. You gotta make money. I just pointed out what I would have liked to have seen more attention to and how I perceived it.

 

[HerbertIronsides]

Last two to three updates have been dragging? You've been complaining about the content dragging since Chapter 2:

yeah the game started off great but then crawled with each update. Of course there is build up in the incest genre its part of what makes it good to finally get that sex scene you have been building up. In my opinion it is too slow and it feels like it has been getting slower in each update. Game is 3 years old now and you still cant even fuck the mom. Its a bit crazy, while the newest what if had tons of sex scenes, pregnancy, an orgy. Of course what ifs can play it fast and loose and do whatever since they are side storys but it makes the main game look worse. This is all just my opinion and its not personal or anything and I could very well have a bad opinion but hey thats what these forums are for is to discuss porn games lol. If I didn't like your writing, models, and style I wouldn't bother to say anything.

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

yeah the game started off great but then crawled with each update. Of course there is build up in the incest genre its part of what makes it good to finally get that sex scene you have been building up. In my opinion it is too slow and it feels like it has been getting slower in each update. Game is 3 years old now and you still cant even fuck the mom. Its a bit crazy, while the newest what if had tons of sex scenes, pregnancy, an orgy. Of course what ifs can play it fast and loose and do whatever since they are side storys but it makes the main game look worse. This is all just my opinion and its not personal or anything and I could very well have a bad opinion but hey thats what these forums are for is to discuss porn games lol. If I didn't like your writing, models, and style I wouldn't bother to say anything.

Same shit in every Harem/NTR hybrid game.

NTR fans get the payoff. Harem fans gets the blue balls.

 

[Carpe Stultus]

yeah the game started off great but then crawled with each update. Of course there is build up in the incest genre its part of what makes it good to finally get that sex scene you have been building up. In my opinion it is too slow and it feels like it has been getting slower in each update. Game is 3 years old now and you still cant even fuck the mom. Its a bit crazy, while the newest what if had tons of sex scenes, pregnancy, an orgy. Of course what ifs can play it fast and loose and do whatever since they are side storys but it makes the main game look worse. This is all just my opinion and its not personal or anything and I could very well have a bad opinion but hey thats what these forums are for is to discuss porn games lol. If I didn't like your writing, models, and style I wouldn't bother to say anything.

Thats basically a "no offense but..." post. If you complain about the game since chapter two you can bet that nothing will change so do yourself a favour and just stop playing it, no matter how much you like the models, writing and style, instead of getting worked up and complain all the time.

Same shit in every Harem/NTR hybrid game.

NTR fans get the payoff. Harem fans gets the blue balls.

Yeah the non NTR content in the maingame is so small that only NTR has sex scenes. Funny thing is that you claim that it is in every hybrid game that way and yet here you are playing it despite knowing how it will go. Some people are really masochists, they just don't want to admit it.

 

[ScareKing]

Always the same shit, main game got a update, a bunch of kids complain about NTR still receive content, What If release and beside those kids, other people cry about dev "waste" hes time on it, if you dont like NTR, turn it off and skip What Ifs, or subscribe to hes patreon and vote in vanilla options, just stop coming here to cry about the same thing everytime.

 

[hoobastank404]

Love the main game and also love the What Ifs. I'm a rational human being that can easily separate the 2 games in my head and appreciate them each for what they are. I also don't think that an object magically disappears when it's not in my direct view anymore, so maybe I'm just better equipped than some people here.

Honestly, if people are this damned worked up about a sex game, maybe they need to take a break from jerking off for a few days.

 

[HerbertIronsides]

Always the same shit, main game got a update, a bunch of kids complain about NTR still receive content, What If release and beside those kids, other people cry about dev "waste" hes time on it, if you dont like NTR, turn it off and skip What Ifs, or subscribe to hes patreon and vote in vanilla options, just stop coming here to cry about the same thing everytime.

well this is a public forum if I feel like complaining I will. Complaining about someone else voicing their opinion is pretty stupid.

 

[Carpe Stultus]

Always the same shit, main game got a update, a bunch of kids complain about NTR still receive content, What If release and beside those kids, other people cry about dev "waste" hes time on it, if you dont like NTR, turn it off and skip What Ifs, or subscribe to hes patreon and vote in vanilla options, just stop coming here to cry about the same thing everytime.

And the worst part is that What? Why? Games is here and has to justify himself infront of a bunch of people who are probably not even supporting him but demand only content they like.