Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]

[What? Why? Games]

Now not only are the LI's taken advantage of, but they come to enjoy it for the typical reasons, and prefer to be treated that way than otherwise, and in ways that would belittle the MC. It reduces their characters to the base level of virtually all NTR, no matter if it is optional or not, which is the primary thing that alienates the vanilla crowd from the NTR and mixes like oil and water.

This is due to limited time and succinct storytelling. I shouldn't have to explain all of the things Hunter is doing in the background every single time. Expect that in a bad ending that Hunter is doing a mixture of drugging/libido enhancement/blackmail/mind games(and let's not forget the fact that Hunter is supposed to be a god of sex). Even with Sean's storyline, I expect the audience to be aware that the women are under the effects of Hunter's drugs in their food and drink when he leaves for a week.

And every part of the game has been expanded. NTR scenes are bigger because all of the scenes are. NTR still only makes up 10% of an update. You can say "NTR used to be a comedic footnote" but Hunter's chapter 2 scene with Eva was the biggest sex scene in the game for a long time. People complained about it then saying "Why does Hunter get all of the good scenes?". Saying it isn't the same game because NTR has been expanded with everything else feels disingenuous.

 

[Only1P]

Did you miss the part where Hunter uses reality warping drugs? The characters aren't behaving like themselves because they aren't.

Again if we are talking about chapters 1-7 I completely agree the inconsistency starts in the latest chapters.

In ch 9 the only substance thats present in the bad end with Cath and Amber is the substance from the vents.
but these are the same vents in the main route, but still the slow and rocky penetration with Amber implies that shes 100% sober and alert to whats happening thats certainly doesnt feel like someone whos experiencing reality warping drugs.

In ch 10 Ophelia and Aliza drink from the same bottle of wine in the bad end and in the main route.
but still Ophelia seems to be completely in control of the situation and aware and have complete agency about what shes doing in the main route with Sterling.

So based on that i conclude that the girls are on the same doses of drugs when with Sterling but still acting more like their natural selves

 

[What? Why? Games]

Again if we are talking about chapters 1-7 I completely agree the problem starts on the latest chapters.

In ch 9 the only substance thats present in the bad end with Cath and Amber is the substance from the vents.
but these are the same vents in the main route, but still the slow and rocky penetration with Amber implies that shes 100% sober and alert to whats happening thats certainly doesnt feel like someone whos experiencing reality warping drugs.

In ch 10 Ophelia and Alize drink from the same bottle of wine in the bad end and in the main route.
but still Ophelia seems to be completely in control of the situation and aware in the main route with Sterling.

So based on that i conclude that the girls are on the same doses of drugs when with Sterling but still acting more like their natural selves

In chapter 9, the slow and rocky penetration was due to Amber's anxiety. Hunter also had to overcome the same obstacle by distracting her with spitting in her mouth. Mental problems can persist while on reality warping drugs. You can take LSD and still experience problems with bruxism.

In chapter 10, Ophelia was in control of the scene. Sterling was hesitant the entire time and trying to feel out what was happening. If Sterling was in control, he could have easily fucked Ophelia's pussy the same way Hunter did.

 

[james6868]

CAN SOMEONE PLEASEEEE UPLOAD THE CH 9-10 SAVE FILE FOR MAC OS, PLEASEEEE IM BEGGING YOU

 

[Only1P]

In chapter 9, the slow and rocky penetration was due to Amber's anxiety. Hunter also had to overcome the same obstacle by distracting her with spitting in her mouth.

In chapter 10, Ophelia was in control of the scene. Sterling was hesitant the entire time and trying to feel out what was happening. If Sterling was in control, he could have easily fucked Ophelia's pussy the same way Hunter did.

Thank you for giving some insight to the confusion.
Hey after all you are building a good story, and I like your work.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

No further drugs, blackmail, or conditioning required, and this, by my mental gymnastics, degrades their characters no matter if it is main game or otherwise.

Another way to look at it could be that these methods all serve to brainwash (i.e. mind-break), and once brainwashed, further tricks are not needed. In fact they would probably need a fair amount of therapy to deprogram them from what they've been through. This is why I'm very curious about Keira and her mother; they were seduced by Hunter and Drew, and after they were found out, they refused to even talk about what went on.

Now not only are the LI's taken advantage of, but they come to enjoy it for the typical reasons, and prefer to be treated that way than otherwise, and in ways that would belittle the MC.

While (most of) the girls clearly enjoy themselves during the NTR scenes, it might be a stretch to say that they prefer it. Again, there's only one indirect comparison between Hunter and Sterling during the Cath/Amber/Hunter bad-end in chapter 9.

Then combine that with the constant What-if bombardment of same, but longer and more elaborate, and longer time frames between regular releases that somehow are not supposed to be impacted by this... and it makes it difficult to market to the vanilla crowd, who feel like they were subsidizing content they didn't want to begin with. So excuse me if I point out that it seems to me that this has become more of an NTR game, with a sizeable and appreciated vanilla path, but one that is suffering in several ways from what seemed to be a change in direction that came for valid reasons (money/patreons). But it isn't the same game to me that we started out with, which is what my points were all making, along with saying it shouldn't still be marketed as such imho.

Some of that is subjective and some is just hyperbole, but yes the game is changing as the story advances and the sex escalates. However, the NTR aspect was always there. It's like a seed that grew slowly into a tree and is now bearing fruit, we all saw it get planted, so it shouldn't be surprising what it grew into.

 

[acewinz]

This is due to limited time and succinct storytelling. I shouldn't have to explain all of the things Hunter is doing in the background every single time. Expect that in a bad ending that Hunter is doing a mixture of drugging/libido enhancement/blackmail/mind games(and let's not forget the fact that Hunter is supposed to be a god of sex). Even with Sean's storyline, I expect the audience to be aware that the women are under the effects of Hunter's drugs in their food and drink when he leaves for a week.

And every part of the game has been expanded. NTR scenes are bigger because all of the scenes are. NTR still only makes up 10% of an update. You can say "NTR used to be a comedic footnote" but Hunter's chapter 2 scene with Eva was the biggest sex scene in the game for a long time. People complained about it then saying "Why does Hunter get all of the good scenes?". Saying it isn't the same game because NTR has been expanded with everything else feels disingenuous.

Thanks for the reply, and I can appreciate the need for succinctness and that not everything can be explained in the side content to that degree. But when the characters themselves appear unchanged in demeanor besides their willingness within the NTR scenario's, you can see why I bring it up. And I don't think it is disingenuous to say that the NTR content has seen more expansion, both in quantity and direction in comparison, especially with the what-if's.

 

[What? Why? Games]

I meant it appears disingenuous to say the game has changed when you're making the same complaint about NTR being the center of attention that has plagued this thread since Chapter 2.

And if you bring the what ifs into it, obviously NTR has seen an expansion. 80% of the money brought in is telling me what they want to see in the side content. Who am I to argue and what do you expect to see when you point that out? The only argument boils down to how I spend my time. Saying I'm milking because updates take longer, when each chapter has seen a massive increase in content, makes me lump you into the group of people who take issue with the type of side content being made.

 

[acewinz]

This is why I'm very curious about Keira and her mother; they were seduced by Hunter and Drew, and after they were found out, they refused to even talk about what went on.


Some of that is subjective and some is just hyperbole, but yes the game is changing as the story advances and the sex escalates. However, the NTR aspect was always there. It's like a seed that grew slowly into a tree and is now bearing fruit, we all saw it get planted, so it shouldn't be surprising what it grew into.

I thought the same thing about the What-if where Lucia's mom showed up, but her current character wasn't given much chance to be explored. I suppose we could see her show up later or that it just was left as is to minimize the size of that what-if.

The evolution of the side content was surprising to me actually, and I generally have a pretty good feel for plot and character evolution. I wracked it up to the financial drive of the people that wanted it on his patreon and also explained to me the additional expansion via the what-if's and their direction.

 

[MangoMeta]

I meant it appears disingenuous to say the game has changed when you're making the same complaint about NTR being the center of attention that has plagued this thread since Chapter 2.

And if you bring the what ifs into it, obviously NTR has seen an expansion. 80% of the money brought in is telling me what they want to see in the side content. Who am I to argue and what do you expect to see when you point that out? The only argument boils down to how I spend my time. Saying I'm milking because updates take longer, when each chapter has seen a massive increase in content, makes me lump you into the group of people who take issue with the type of side content being made.

how are you going to call it disingenuous when you admit that when you take into account the what ifs its obviously seen a huge expansion. the what if are non cannon just like the ntr thats in the game, using the same characters. people not seperating them is perfectly valid when they are both the exact same content. so yes it has seen a expansion. just own it

 

[jmcronshaw]

Why... because when you attract a certain audience, in this case harem fans, and then add something like ntr, the direct antithesis, along the line, you have gone against what your core audience wants. Either you do both courses from the beginning or you don't do it at all. Look at what happened to Foot of the Mountains. Dev added a route into the game, and people were understandably pissed off. You can't cultivate a harem audience, then shoot the old switcheroo and expect it to go well.

Foot of the Mountains flamed out because it sucked, comparing it to this game is an insult. Power Vaccum is better in every conceivable way.
And this isn't some switcheroo, the NTR stuff has been in the game since the beginning as bad ends, not as some route that got added in 3/4 of the way through development to try to save a sinking ship. It's not even a route, it's 1 or 2 scenes per chapter that can be turned off. The formula has not changed one bit.
The dev has no control over his audience, if someone came into this game thinking it was going to be MILFY City or My New Family or something, they have only themselves to blame, because the dev has been crystal clear from the beginning what his vision is

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

This is why I can't fathom why there is still vanilla fans supporting this game. It's clear they aren't nearly as active in polls so they are getting less and less content with each update.

Also why bother with having to grind out relationships with the LI when the way the NTR scenes go it's obvious they are far more into being cum dumps for any dick thats doesn't belong to the MC, while when vanilla players finally make all the right choices and go through the cliche stepping stones the LI don't even show the same the willingness to make the grind worth it. Since they just love getting drugged and banged by as many dudes as possible just give us the option to corrupt the LI and give them what they "really" want.

 

[What? Why? Games]

how are you going to call it disingenuous when you admit that when you take into account the what ifs its obviously seen a huge expansion. the what if are non cannon just like the ntr thats in the game, using the same characters. people not seperating them is perfectly valid when they are both the exact same content. so yes it has seen a expansion. just own it

Because I said "disingenuous to say the game has changed". Side content has nothing to do with his criticism of the main game which was

Now you can scream that this is all optional, which yes it is, so we have the option to close our eyes, but it is a far cry from the "Wily Coyote" random comedy bad ends that were the initial level of NTR.

 

[Fayn Arawn]

how are you going to call it disingenuous when you admit that when you take into account the what ifs its obviously seen a huge expansion. the what if are non cannon just like the ntr thats in the game, using the same characters. people not seperating them is perfectly valid when they are both the exact same content. so yes it has seen a expansion. just own it

Did the non-NTR content expand also? Do you not understand relativity? Or ingredient ratios in recipes?

 

[MangoMeta]

Because I said "disingenuous to say the game has changed". Side content has nothing to do with his criticism of the main game which was

hes right though. the what ifs are your new expanded bad ends and they in fact arent comedic. not disingenuous.

 

[What? Why? Games]

hes right though. the what ifs are your new expanded bad ends and they in fact arent comedic. not disingenuous.

That's a separate point he made. Doesn't change how the first critique can appear disingenuous after I've suffered through years of people making the exact same complaint and yet he intimates this is all new.

 

[HerbertIronsides]

Look I dont like NTR but if you want to make content on it thats cool and I am sure plenty of others enjoy it. Just out of curiously I skimmed through the latest What if and the only issue I have with it is why does the what ifs get tons of good sex scenes and all that while the main story has been dragging its heels hard for 2-3 chapters now?

 

[TheSmoothCriminal]

Did the non-NTR content expand also? Do you not understand relativity? Or ingredient ratios in recipes?

They most definately did not expand at even close to the same rate that the what ifs expanded at, not by a long shot. But we get it. The dev picked the side he prefers to cater to, wether it's his personal preffered content or simple monitary motives.

 

[DD69-1]

Look I dont like NTR but if you want to make content on it thats cool and I am sure plenty of others enjoy it. Just out of curiously I skimmed through the latest What if and the only issue I have with it is why does the what ifs get tons of good sex scenes and all that while the main story has been dragging its heels hard for 2-3 chapters now?

I played the new what if, the end orgy dialogues were hilarious... where Hunter and Sean argue on who the father is
but for the vanilla side, I do agree that the main game, in chapter 10.. Hunter got a pretty big scene with sex angles and shots compared to Sterling [Sterling got ~3 scenes with 1 position].. for that I completely agree that part 10 was Ophelia - Hunter favored... don't know what's planned for Chp.11 scenes for Ophelia and Sterling; hope it makes up for lack of his scenes in chp.10

 

[What? Why? Games]

Look I dont like NTR but if you want to make content on it thats cool and I am sure plenty of others enjoy it. Just out of curiously I skimmed through the latest What if and the only issue I have with it is why does the what ifs get tons of good sex scenes and all that while the main story has been dragging its heels hard for 2-3 chapters now?

Last two to three updates have been dragging? You've been complaining about the content dragging since Chapter 2:

Damn I was really hyped for this since the girls and writing are amazing, but of course another update full of only teasing. I guess maybe next month.

You think this update with have good "content"?

Just looked at the images and its another update with only teasing pretty much. Oh well I guess time to wait for next update again .

Game is 0.4 and still not even a BJ with Mom or either sis. Starting to feel blueballed especially with the updates being as far apart as they are.

Really great game, models, and dialogue. A bit to slow for my taste though. We are on 0.5 and just now got 1 actual good scene with one of the sisters/Mom.

So place your bets will this be yet another teasing update. . .

Why not laugh and fap at the same time? Best of both worlds. Sadly this game has been only teasing every update.

As good as the writing is I still got blue balled yet again. Like wtf was that threesome scene. The Writing cannot change the fact that the game has been out for a year now and we still havnt gotten past BJ with the sisters, and HJ with the mom.

For the next update are we going to finally start getting somewhere? Last few updates have been blueball city

oh don't really remember that my bad I didnt sleep all night lol. But still with the main 3 girls it feels like it is dragging on and on each update.

Alright I give up. This game will just not allow vaginal sex with the family members. They put fucking anal with Brenna before sex. I cannot handle the blue balling this game does to me every update. I only support 2 devs rn and I thought maybe if this update finally didnt blue ball me I would support his patreon but again I am sitting here at the end of the update disappointed. Eveyone loves a good build-up and a bit of teasing in any good incest game but this game is now over a year old and you still can't fuck any of the family members (vaginal), it reaches a certain point where its just annoying and we are way past that point.

Here have fun getting blue balled

there is no vaginal sex with any of the family members, only BJs. Except for one anal scene that kind ruined the progression of the story imo. Other than that one scene its just 1 years worth of blueballing.