Ren'Py Power Vacuum [Ch. 12 Official] [What? Why? Games]
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- May 24, 2019
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I think you're presenting a false dichotomy here; there's plenty of room between "I am the MC" and "I don't care about the MC". Implying someone is a sociopath just because they don't get emotionally attached to fictional characters is a bit much. Let's be real, PV's story is a porn comedy. Both porn and comedy tend to feature situations that are highly implausible, and we turn part of our brains off (i.e. "suspension of disbelief") in order to enjoy them.
As for your escalation theory, I honestly think you may be right about some people needing more extreme content. The other day I posted some reasons why people like NTR, but it was hardly meant to be a complete list.
Another false dichotomy. Again "empathy ≠ self-insertion".
Blaming the audience for low-effort writing... I guess that might be fair for most superhero films, but c'mon. A lot of VN writers simply cannot write worth a damn, even if their audience demanded it.
The volumes you're asking about are the What If stories. Each one is seperate, and most are focused on the MC getting cucked by someone else. The last one (Vol 8) takes it beyond this game's MC, and is pretty funny too. You play as Ophelia in "highly unusual" circumstances...
As for needing the uncensor patch, that's up to you.
The lewdpatcher link contains a patch for both it and Chapter 10 of the main game.
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I did a search, but could not find the main game, can you give me a link to it?
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I just checked the first post of the first page and it's still there.
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Yes you don't get it. You're not that guy. No matter how you wish you could be YOU ARE NOT THE MC. You assume because you somehow control some of the MC's action you are the character and that's why you conclude if people like watching scene where the MC is not the only one getting pussy it's a cuckold fetish.
It's not. Most of the time the MC is the least interesting character. Sterling is not a good guy, he's not interesting. He's just one dick among many looking to get wet.
I'm not getting cucked. I am not the protagonist. The protagonist is a made up character in a video game and has no relation to my real life. So when he's getting pussy I'm not getting some at the same time.
Stop assuming that NTR as it stand here on F95 mean truly means cuckold. It does not. It simply mean "Male characters other than MC in a Male protagonist setting get sex"
Projecting yourself into the main character is a very problematic thing a lot of people have here. It create a level of self-entitlement so high it's baffling they can be functionning member of society. Like how do you react when you see a random couple in the street? do you have bouts of jealousy because all women should be yours?
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I think it's about the corruption aspect, similar as to why someone would want to see a girl fucking a monster or something like that.
It's less about finding Hunter appealing and moreso the juxtaposition of a beautiful girl going at it with someone or something that's the opposite of that. Giving in to the pleasure and pretty much debasing herself just by simply doing it with someone that they don't even like or is far below their league.
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PV simply is pushing the Ugly Bastard trope to comical extreme. That's the whole point of PV. You seriously didn't get that WWG is making fun of the Harem anti-NTR fandom from this game?
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Ok, I feel is a good time as any to devise some sort of, like, treaty over this debacle.
Everyone's been having their contributions to this discussion so I guess I can also throw in my dogs in the race.
First of, NTR is a very specific type of cheating fetish. It's requires a series of specific factors to count as such, and needs to be taken into account as its own beast.
These aspects are:
There needs to be an established familial, romantic or platonic relationship, featuring two characters who have feelings for one another.
One of the two characters then needs to be "taken away" from the other by a third party, usually against both of their wills. This can involve mind control, blackmailing, outright sexual violence, that sort of shit, but it's never, per se, voluntary on the "taken" part.
The person who has been "stolen" then is permanently "ruined" by this experience, usually leading to all sorts of nasty repercussions. Pregnancy, Prostitution, Mind Break, Suicide, that sort of shit.
And last, the most important part, the whole ordeal has to be depicted ALWAYS from the POV of the person who's having their SO "stolen" from them. The whole point of the genre ISN'T, as someone might assume, watching some random people fucking, that's now how this fetish works. The whole focus character is the loser who gets their lover stolen from them because they weren't good enough to protect them, it's their despair or impotence that fuels the fetish, either with you "identifying" as the one who has their lover stolen, or the one who is done the stealing.
You'll notice how the "stolen" has no, like, relevance in this equation, and that's because they aren't an actual character, they are a prop to perpetuate some weird psychosexual bullshit between the NTRer and the NTRed.
There is a reason if Griffith only looks at Guts as he's raping Casca.
Since, again, the feelings of the one who is getting their lover stolen are what ultimately matter here, the one doing the stealing is usually the most disgusting piece of shit ever created. If the one doing the stealing was attractive or fit, then the reader would feel less "betrayed" by the situation. It'd be seen as an inevitability, and it would grant the "stolen" a certain degree of free will. For example, Ophelia and Derik fucking ISN'T NTR, because everything is happening of her own free will and she is consenting to it without coercion, she is an ACTIVE participant in the scenario, even if the MC is getting "Cucked."
This is awkwardly enough more common in Japanese Porn rather than Western Porn. Most western porn with cheating content tends to play up the female character "cheating" on their partner, especially if in some kind of "bisexual girlfriend" setting, any temptation being usually on the purely physical variety. Even the more "extreme" types of this content, such as, random example, the old Pornstar Punished Brazzers series, where there is a major degree of coercion and violence, don't tend to deploy truly hideous individuals either inside or outside (That fucker James Deen notwithstanding, that fucker).
Japanese Animated Porn, on the other hand, can straight up make up some of the most hideous motherfuckers ever devised, a concept that is seemingly replicated here too with Hunter and to a lesser extent Kevin, whose physical hideousness is but a metaphor for the fundamental core theme of this game, which is "self improvement" (Sterling actively decides to become a better person, Hunter decides to coast by and live off his cock and "shortcuts" to get women). This, again, is done to generate a far stronger reaction from the public who, again, is probably self identifying on the main character in a way.
This to say, the appeal of NTR, which I personally never really saw really, I'm more into women being sluts by their own free will, much sexier if you ask me when a female character has actual fucking agency, is, again, all concentrated on the way the situation will make the MC feel, and therefore the way the reader can jerk off to it, nothing more, nothing less.
Everyone's been having their contributions to this discussion so I guess I can also throw in my dogs in the race.
First of, NTR is a very specific type of cheating fetish. It's requires a series of specific factors to count as such, and needs to be taken into account as its own beast.
These aspects are:
There needs to be an established familial, romantic or platonic relationship, featuring two characters who have feelings for one another.
One of the two characters then needs to be "taken away" from the other by a third party, usually against both of their wills. This can involve mind control, blackmailing, outright sexual violence, that sort of shit, but it's never, per se, voluntary on the "taken" part.
The person who has been "stolen" then is permanently "ruined" by this experience, usually leading to all sorts of nasty repercussions. Pregnancy, Prostitution, Mind Break, Suicide, that sort of shit.
And last, the most important part, the whole ordeal has to be depicted ALWAYS from the POV of the person who's having their SO "stolen" from them. The whole point of the genre ISN'T, as someone might assume, watching some random people fucking, that's now how this fetish works. The whole focus character is the loser who gets their lover stolen from them because they weren't good enough to protect them, it's their despair or impotence that fuels the fetish, either with you "identifying" as the one who has their lover stolen, or the one who is done the stealing.
You'll notice how the "stolen" has no, like, relevance in this equation, and that's because they aren't an actual character, they are a prop to perpetuate some weird psychosexual bullshit between the NTRer and the NTRed.
There is a reason if Griffith only looks at Guts as he's raping Casca.
Since, again, the feelings of the one who is getting their lover stolen are what ultimately matter here, the one doing the stealing is usually the most disgusting piece of shit ever created. If the one doing the stealing was attractive or fit, then the reader would feel less "betrayed" by the situation. It'd be seen as an inevitability, and it would grant the "stolen" a certain degree of free will. For example, Ophelia and Derik fucking ISN'T NTR, because everything is happening of her own free will and she is consenting to it without coercion, she is an ACTIVE participant in the scenario, even if the MC is getting "Cucked."
This is awkwardly enough more common in Japanese Porn rather than Western Porn. Most western porn with cheating content tends to play up the female character "cheating" on their partner, especially if in some kind of "bisexual girlfriend" setting, any temptation being usually on the purely physical variety. Even the more "extreme" types of this content, such as, random example, the old Pornstar Punished Brazzers series, where there is a major degree of coercion and violence, don't tend to deploy truly hideous individuals either inside or outside (That fucker James Deen notwithstanding, that fucker).
Japanese Animated Porn, on the other hand, can straight up make up some of the most hideous motherfuckers ever devised, a concept that is seemingly replicated here too with Hunter and to a lesser extent Kevin, whose physical hideousness is but a metaphor for the fundamental core theme of this game, which is "self improvement" (Sterling actively decides to become a better person, Hunter decides to coast by and live off his cock and "shortcuts" to get women). This, again, is done to generate a far stronger reaction from the public who, again, is probably self identifying on the main character in a way.
This to say, the appeal of NTR, which I personally never really saw really, I'm more into women being sluts by their own free will, much sexier if you ask me when a female character has actual fucking agency, is, again, all concentrated on the way the situation will make the MC feel, and therefore the way the reader can jerk off to it, nothing more, nothing less.
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I'm pretty sure the game is making fun of, like... a lot of shit lol.
This whole game is basically a satirical attack on almost every trope in the house game genre.
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I was under the impression that what we refer to in shorthand as "NTR" actually includes variations, e.g. netori/netorare/netorase, and in some instances the "stolen" lover has agency.
There's a lot of subtext to that scene, but it's still a good example to compare with PV because the development of the characters is what gives the scene such emotional weight in the first place. Without all of the buildup and context, it's just sex. PV characters feel better realized than in your average VN, and that makes the NTR scenes more impactful.
TBH, the first time a saw that Griffith/Casca scene (20+ years ago), I think I was mad about it for a month!
I would guess that "ugly bastard" hentai like Kisaku The Letch was a source of inspiration for Hunter in the first place.
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My mantra is more like: Let's fuck up the plans of the creep old man
But i get you man
I think you are forgetting one important thing here. These porn games don't have the level of writing, where I am supposed to self-insert as the male protagonist, they all feel the same in general. If I am having a rough time and feel down, maybe I will watch a movie that relates to my situation to feel better or just watch something that gets me motivated in general but definitely not porn games.
I play the porn games to have a change from the vanilla porn. Reason why I don't play or understand why people play vanilla games is because you can either get that from real life or watch the usual porn. While porn games are a good medium for the kinkier stuff. I mean... when you watch real porn, where women are with more disgusting guys, it is not really enjoyable is it? The guy is basically a corpse and girl is obviously disgusted, so it is an automatic turn-off. Or cheating porn, not really enjoyable either because I could see her in dozens of other videos and know that it is a fake story, which might not seem logical if I try to imply these games are "real stories" but it feels different and works different.
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Goddamn, don't y'all ever get tired of writing multi paragraph comments on a forum about porn games? From amateur psych evals on people you never met and will never meet to explaining fetishes to the people who don't like them to complaining about something completely optional. The fact that y'all can have the exact same mundane meaningless conversations about an optional fetish all the time is truly amazing. Everytime I see a notification for this thread I think "I hope this is something other than ntr" and then comes the immediate disappointment.
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And here I thought we had a mostly civil exchange of ideas going for once.
I tried starting a discussion about the size of Ophelia's boobs a few pages back but no one bit. What would you like to talk about?
Oh Please, the premise of your argument is akin to basically saying First Shooter Video games creates mass murderers.
Not to mention the irony of you being here in a porn game pirating site playing psychologist with everyone.
Again here's your mirror lol