wildride69

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I will forever kink shame scat and necrophillia. It's one more but I won't say it and it's not NTR.
You can kink shame whatever you want, I'm not a Priest. Scat, Necrophillia, Vore, feet etc are not my taste but I see those tags and I move on. Why go into someone else's forum or thread to preach what you don't like.. Now if Fashion Business were to ask if they should include scat for instance then my opinion would be asked for and I would give it a resounding "Hell No".

I see games on here tagged with Pregnancy and Lactation and I go "eww" but I move on and don't go into KAREN mode telling people how I don't like it and it's nasty. My opinion was neither asked for or solicited so I don't give a damn what other people are into. So thank god for the tags here.
 

Fayn Arawn

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Anybody good at bra math?

I'm replaying chapter 7 and during the lawyer visit Ophelia jokes that she needs to "do a number thirty two double H in the bathroom", meaning she has to take care of her lactating breasts, also a reference to an earlier joke by Sterling calling a handjob a "number nine" (inches).

By my calculations, Ophelia's bust size would be 41 inches. Is this correct?

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Jamiehjmcw91

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If you are unable to download games from this place, you won't be able to download them from other sites I'm afraid.
Why can't you download anything here?
I play my games on another site where Power Vaccum and the Power Vaccums what If's part 1 and 7 are one that website. Also I dont have the correct windows on ym laptop to download the games from here.
 

punisher2099

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Well personally I would fucking hate and would kill someone to touch my girlfriend, in real life of course, cuz I'm not a cuck. But in games, I just enjoy seeing beautifully girls, the type of girls you would expect to be with some good looking and loving man, get totally corrupted by the most horrible dude ever.

There is something really hot in seeing gorgeous girls forget about themselves and succumb to pleasure.

And I manage to enjoy it because I don't self insert into games. It's kinda dumb to do so imo, some people tend to self insert and get waaay too attached to the story and the girls and the mc. That forget that this is fictional porn game, about sex.

If I want a love story I rather watch a movie, or get a girlfriend irl.

Just my opinion
Why are playing a game with a male protagonist? Why not just stick to female protagonist games? as a matter of fact why are you playing visual novels at all? Since apparently the story doesn't mean anything to you. It's people like you as to why there are so many braindead stories for these. The devs know they don't have to put the effort in.

Power Vacuum has the effort put into it with the story and the characters but you just want the female characters to be empty headed cumdumps story be damned.
 

Darin68

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ok, quick question. is each volume a separate game, and do I need to download the uncensor patch for each one?
 

Fayn Arawn

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I see this a lot and either they don't understand what empathy is, have fallen for the "self insertion bad" meme or are genuine sociopaths. Media with characters is made almost entirely around the idea that the watcher can relate to other humans, if a typical viewer doesn't care about the protagonist then either the writer sucks or you aren't suppose too, Breaking Bad being a famous example where people start to disconnect from the protagonist as intended.

As for NTR, when people consume a lot of porn, they often need more extreme fetishes to get off as they become increasingly desensitized.
I think you're presenting a false dichotomy here; there's plenty of room between "I am the MC" and "I don't care about the MC". Implying someone is a sociopath just because they don't get emotionally attached to fictional characters is a bit much. Let's be real, PV's story is a porn comedy. Both porn and comedy tend to feature situations that are highly implausible, and we turn part of our brains off (i.e. "suspension of disbelief") in order to enjoy them.

As for your escalation theory, I honestly think you may be right about some people needing more extreme content. The other day I posted some reasons why people like NTR, but it was hardly meant to be a complete list.

Why are playing a game with a male protagonist? Why not just stick to female protagonist games? as a matter of fact why are you playing visual novels at all? Since apparently the story doesn't mean anything to you. It's people like you as to why there are so many braindead stories for these. The devs know they don't have to put the effort in.

Power Vacuum has the effort put into it with the story and the characters but you just want the female characters to be empty headed cumdumps story be damned.
Another false dichotomy. Again "empathy ≠ self-insertion".

Blaming the audience for low-effort writing... I guess that might be fair for most superhero films, but c'mon. A lot of VN writers simply cannot write worth a damn, even if their audience demanded it.
 

Snugglepuff

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ok, quick question. is each volume a separate game, and do I need to download the uncensor patch for each one?
The volumes you're asking about are the What If stories. Each one is seperate, and most are focused on the MC getting cucked by someone else. The last one (Vol 8) takes it beyond this game's MC, and is pretty funny too. You play as Ophelia in "highly unusual" circumstances...

As for needing the uncensor patch, that's up to you.
The lewdpatcher link contains a patch for both it and Chapter 10 of the main game.
 

Darin68

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The volumes you're asking about are the What If stories. Each one is seperate, and most are focused on the MC getting cucked by someone else. The last one (Vol 8) takes it beyond this game's MC, and is pretty funny too. You play as Ophelia in "highly unusual" circumstances...

As for needing the uncensor patch, that's up to you.
The lewdpatcher link contains a patch for both it and Chapter 10 of the main game.
I did a search, but could not find the main game, can you give me a link to it?
 

fidgetspinner

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OK, this is not meant as an attack on anyone but I'm not a fan of NTR.

Can someone explain the appeal?

Like I kind of get being the guy that is doing the cucking it's a power thing but I don't get the being cucked part.
Yes you don't get it. You're not that guy. No matter how you wish you could be YOU ARE NOT THE MC. You assume because you somehow control some of the MC's action you are the character and that's why you conclude if people like watching scene where the MC is not the only one getting pussy it's a cuckold fetish.

It's not. Most of the time the MC is the least interesting character. Sterling is not a good guy, he's not interesting. He's just one dick among many looking to get wet.

I'm not getting cucked. I am not the protagonist. The protagonist is a made up character in a video game and has no relation to my real life. So when he's getting pussy I'm not getting some at the same time.

Stop assuming that NTR as it stand here on F95 mean truly means cuckold. It does not. It simply mean "Male characters other than MC in a Male protagonist setting get sex"

Projecting yourself into the main character is a very problematic thing a lot of people have here. It create a level of self-entitlement so high it's baffling they can be functionning member of society. Like how do you react when you see a random couple in the street? do you have bouts of jealousy because all women should be yours?
 

Thojnaan

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the disgust isnt even emotional on my end

i mean bruh i saw a comment on the patreon saying "finally hunter/tiff"

who wants to see hunter naked? i mean you may as well go to a senior citizen nudist beach to get your rocks off instead

ron jeremy peak masculinity lookin ass

people go into a gym locker room at the ymca, looking at the old men drying their balls on the hand dryer and be like "damn i want to grow up to be just like him"
I think it's about the corruption aspect, similar as to why someone would want to see a girl fucking a monster or something like that.

It's less about finding Hunter appealing and moreso the juxtaposition of a beautiful girl going at it with someone or something that's the opposite of that. Giving in to the pleasure and pretty much debasing herself just by simply doing it with someone that they don't even like or is far below their league.
 

fidgetspinner

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the disgust isnt even emotional on my end

i mean bruh i saw a comment on the patreon saying "finally hunter/tiff"

who wants to see hunter naked? i mean you may as well go to a senior citizen nudist beach to get your rocks off instead

ron jeremy peak masculinity lookin ass

people go into a gym locker room at the ymca, looking at the old men drying their balls on the hand dryer and be like "damn i want to grow up to be just like him"
PV simply is pushing the Ugly Bastard trope to comical extreme. That's the whole point of PV. You seriously didn't get that WWG is making fun of the Harem anti-NTR fandom from this game?
 
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FoolishFool0

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Ok, I feel is a good time as any to devise some sort of, like, treaty over this debacle.

Everyone's been having their contributions to this discussion so I guess I can also throw in my dogs in the race.

First of, NTR is a very specific type of cheating fetish. It's requires a series of specific factors to count as such, and needs to be taken into account as its own beast.

These aspects are:

There needs to be an established familial, romantic or platonic relationship, featuring two characters who have feelings for one another.

One of the two characters then needs to be "taken away" from the other by a third party, usually against both of their wills. This can involve mind control, blackmailing, outright sexual violence, that sort of shit, but it's never, per se, voluntary on the "taken" part.

The person who has been "stolen" then is permanently "ruined" by this experience, usually leading to all sorts of nasty repercussions. Pregnancy, Prostitution, Mind Break, Suicide, that sort of shit.

And last, the most important part, the whole ordeal has to be depicted ALWAYS from the POV of the person who's having their SO "stolen" from them. The whole point of the genre ISN'T, as someone might assume, watching some random people fucking, that's now how this fetish works. The whole focus character is the loser who gets their lover stolen from them because they weren't good enough to protect them, it's their despair or impotence that fuels the fetish, either with you "identifying" as the one who has their lover stolen, or the one who is done the stealing.

You'll notice how the "stolen" has no, like, relevance in this equation, and that's because they aren't an actual character, they are a prop to perpetuate some weird psychosexual bullshit between the NTRer and the NTRed.

There is a reason if Griffith only looks at Guts as he's raping Casca.

Since, again, the feelings of the one who is getting their lover stolen are what ultimately matter here, the one doing the stealing is usually the most disgusting piece of shit ever created. If the one doing the stealing was attractive or fit, then the reader would feel less "betrayed" by the situation. It'd be seen as an inevitability, and it would grant the "stolen" a certain degree of free will. For example, Ophelia and Derik fucking ISN'T NTR, because everything is happening of her own free will and she is consenting to it without coercion, she is an ACTIVE participant in the scenario, even if the MC is getting "Cucked."

This is awkwardly enough more common in Japanese Porn rather than Western Porn. Most western porn with cheating content tends to play up the female character "cheating" on their partner, especially if in some kind of "bisexual girlfriend" setting, any temptation being usually on the purely physical variety. Even the more "extreme" types of this content, such as, random example, the old Pornstar Punished Brazzers series, where there is a major degree of coercion and violence, don't tend to deploy truly hideous individuals either inside or outside (That fucker James Deen notwithstanding, that fucker).

Japanese Animated Porn, on the other hand, can straight up make up some of the most hideous motherfuckers ever devised, a concept that is seemingly replicated here too with Hunter and to a lesser extent Kevin, whose physical hideousness is but a metaphor for the fundamental core theme of this game, which is "self improvement" (Sterling actively decides to become a better person, Hunter decides to coast by and live off his cock and "shortcuts" to get women). This, again, is done to generate a far stronger reaction from the public who, again, is probably self identifying on the main character in a way.

This to say, the appeal of NTR, which I personally never really saw really, I'm more into women being sluts by their own free will, much sexier if you ask me when a female character has actual fucking agency, is, again, all concentrated on the way the situation will make the MC feel, and therefore the way the reader can jerk off to it, nothing more, nothing less.
 

FoolishFool0

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PV simply is pushing the Ugly Bastard trope to comical extreme. That's the whole point of PV. You seriously didn't get that WWG is making fun of the Harem anti-NTR fandom from this game?
I'm pretty sure the game is making fun of, like... a lot of shit lol.

This whole game is basically a satirical attack on almost every trope in the house game genre.
 

Fayn Arawn

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First of, NTR is a very specific type of cheating fetish. It's requires a series of specific factors to count as such, and needs to be taken into account as its own beast.
I was under the impression that what we refer to in shorthand as "NTR" actually includes variations, e.g. netori/netorare/netorase, and in some instances the "stolen" lover has agency. :unsure:

There is a reason if Griffith only looks at Guts as he's raping Casca.
There's a lot of subtext to that scene, but it's still a good example to compare with PV because the development of the characters is what gives the scene such emotional weight in the first place. Without all of the buildup and context, it's just sex. PV characters feel better realized than in your average VN, and that makes the NTR scenes more impactful.

TBH, the first time a saw that Griffith/Casca scene (20+ years ago), I think I was mad about it for a month! :LOL:

Japanese Animated Porn, on the other hand, can straight up make up some of the most hideous motherfuckers ever devised, a concept that is seemingly replicated here too with Hunter and to a lesser extent Kevin, whose physical hideousness is but a metaphor for the fundamental core theme of this game, which is "self improvement" (Sterling actively decides to become a better person, Hunter decides to coast by and live off his cock and "shortcuts" to get women).
I would guess that "ugly bastard" hentai like Kisaku The Letch was a source of inspiration for Hunter in the first place.
 

lipe2410

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So here's a little Mantra that can help you get over those nasty feeling you feel upon seeing fictional characters:

I am not the MC
The MC is not me
Nothing is real
It doesn't matter
This is a fictional story about fictional characters
I do not need to feel jealousy
The MC is not me
I will stop those feeling of jealousy
And instead learn to appreciate interesting porn scene.

repeat that to yourself and you may get out of this hole.
My mantra is more like: Let's fuck up the plans of the creep old man:sneaky:
But i get you man(y)
 
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