VN Ren'Py Abandoned Primal Instinct [v0.07] [SilkandMilkProductions]

[DrakteisckyG]

I just discovered this game... and now I am very sad.

Yes the story should be more focused on what it want to tell but some ambition is what most of the games on this forum lack.
I also can see a problem in the fact that there are few choices and the relation between the MC and Meghan is so loveable that this it's more like a romantic novel than a porn game... but I loved it.

The writing is solid and the renders are some of the best I ever seen. Whatever the Dev decide to do in the future I hope we will not lose his talent.

 

[Amahl Farouk]

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$401
PER MONTH


Doesn't look like the surge will be happening any time soon.

 

[HaremKing041299]

If he/she abandoned this game .. Hopefully someone takes it and at least complete it or a remake .. I really like the characters but , yeah don't know what's going on ..T_T

 

[Ayhsel]

I just discovered this game... and now I am very sad.

Yes the story should be more focused on what it want to tell but some ambition is what most of the games on this forum lack.
I also can see a problem in the fact that there are few choices and the relation between the MC and Meghan is so loveable that this it's more like a romantic novel than a porn game... but I loved it.

The writing is solid and the renders are some of the best I ever seen. Whatever the Dev decide to do in the future I hope we will not lose his talent.

Yeah that sucks. Having almost always played complete novels, I learned that lesson after playing My sweet neighbors. Finished just to find out it was abandoned. Now I always check before start reading. If it is abandoned, I don't even start.

86
PATRONS
$401
PER MONTH


Doesn't look like the surge will be happening any time soon.

Well my expectations have already updated to include this event the moment he informed us of his decision, so it is not like I am hurt right now.
Still, this is one of those things you hate being right about.

If he/she abandoned this game .. Hopefully someone takes it and at least complete it or a remake .. I really like the characters but , yeah don't know what's going on ..T_T

It is a real problem to go down that line, without the explicit consent of dev. And as the way he presented is "I might pick it up if support gets high enough", I don't see him giving away the rights.

Even without all the legal/ethical stuff, the main problem here is that this game is just in the prologue. We love the quality, love the characters, love a nice real relationship and love a wife worth loving (so few), but how could somebody continue the story without any idea what the story is about? Unlike silly pure love stories in which getting the girls is all the there is there so somebody could potentially continued it, here it would be essentially writing a new novel that will most likely have nothing to do with the original novel, except using the same characters.

 

[Sorrow85]

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Dev update
I had hoped to have the update finished by the end of last month, there's some other things I've needed to catch up on this month, so progress has been pretty slow.
Just letting you all know I'm still working on it whenever I can. I don't want to get it out just to be done with it. I'm still meticulously working on each render for the final scene. I've just had less time to put into it.
I know people get anxious when devs go silent. So, I hope this alleviates some of that anxiety.
Silk...

 

[Amahl Farouk]

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Dev update
I had hoped to have the update finished by the end of last month, there's some other things I've needed to catch up on this month, so progress has been pretty slow.
Just letting you all know I'm still working on it whenever I can. I don't want to get it out just to be done with it. I'm still meticulously working on each render for the final scene. I've just had less time to put into it.
I know people get anxious when devs go silent. So, I hope this alleviates some of that anxiety.
Silk...

Thats like putting straw out for a horse that's already in the next county. I dont see why he just doesnt turn his patreon to payment after release and just slowly chip away at it, he wouldnt be the only dev doing that

 

[HaremKing041299]

Yeah that sucks. Having almost always played complete novels, I learned that lesson after playing My sweet neighbors. Finished just to find out it was abandoned. Now I always check before start reading. If it is abandoned, I don't even start.

Well my expectations have already updated to include this event the moment he informed us of his decision, so it is not like I am hurt right now.
Still, this is one of those things you hate being right about.

It is a real problem to go down that line, without the explicit consent of dev. And as the way he presented is "I might pick it up if support gets high enough", I don't see him giving away the rights.

Even without all the legal/ethical stuff, the main problem here is that this game is just in the prologue. We love the quality, love the characters, love a nice real relationship and love a wife worth loving (so few), but how could somebody continue the story without any idea what the story is about? Unlike silly pure love stories in which getting the girls is all the there is there so somebody could potentially continued it, here it would be essentially writing a new novel that will most likely have nothing to do with the original novel, except using the same characters.

I know but still .. You know a Hope (I'm dead) .. But there's an update from the Dev so there's still a Hope

 

[tgrogan21]

I posted about this before on this thread and over the last month it has only solidified my opinion on why his game never got the traction needed. It's not because the game is bad or the renders suck. It literally comes down to the developer and his inability to even try to talk to his fans/supporters/critics. I subscribed to the $30 tier on June 1st and from the time that I was a supporter and the time that I decided to leave the discord server (on July 4th) the developer only posted to send a link to an announcement on his Patreon. We already get those announcements e-mailed to us. He also never responded to any Patreon comments (even people giving him a lot of support and thanks and he used to be on this site but hasn't been on since February.

There's a direct correlation between him losing subscribers at the start of every month instead of retaining them like most people and his ability to try to reach out to people. There are hundreds of supporters that I can give my money to each month, and having a great game is not the only requirement that people have for supporting. People want that personal touch and Silk just doesn't give it. My $30 can go to help out other developers who I feel would actually be appreciative of the money rather than who, IMO, seems to be out for himself and money and nothing else.

 

[turnerron70]

I posted about this before on this thread and over the last month it has only solidified my opinion on why his game never got the traction needed. It's not because the game is bad or the renders suck. It literally comes down to the developer and his inability to even try to talk to his fans/supporters/critics. I subscribed to the $30 tier on June 1st and from the time that I was a supporter and the time that I decided to leave the discord server (on July 4th) the developer only posted to send a link to an announcement on his Patreon. We already get those announcements e-mailed to us. He also never responded to any Patreon comments (even people giving him a lot of support and thanks and he used to be on this site but hasn't been on since February.

There's a direct correlation between him losing subscribers at the start of every month instead of retaining them like most people and his ability to try to reach out to people. There are hundreds of supporters that I can give my money to each month, and having a great game is not the only requirement that people have for supporting. People want that personal touch and Silk just doesn't give it. My $30 can go to help out other developers who I feel would actually be appreciative of the money rather than who, IMO, seems to be out for himself and money and nothing else.

Totally agree! I love this game and Mei is one of my favorite game characters, but I cancelled my subscription after a month as well. I think the most straightforward way to keep subscribers happy is to churn out meaningful updates every month. But I understand that working part-time as a lone developer with limited resources and creating very high-quality renders, that is not possible and I can even make peace with an update every 3-4 months. But there needs to be something to keep subscribers engaged - even if it is just polls to allow subscribers to pick character outfits, minor events etc.

 

[Ayhsel]

I posted about this before on this thread and over the last month it has only solidified my opinion on why his game never got the traction needed. It's not because the game is bad or the renders suck. It literally comes down to the developer and his inability to even try to talk to his fans/supporters/critics. I subscribed to the $30 tier on June 1st and from the time that I was a supporter and the time that I decided to leave the discord server (on July 4th) the developer only posted to send a link to an announcement on his Patreon. We already get those announcements e-mailed to us. He also never responded to any Patreon comments (even people giving him a lot of support and thanks and he used to be on this site but hasn't been on since February.

There's a direct correlation between him losing subscribers at the start of every month instead of retaining them like most people and his ability to try to reach out to people. There are hundreds of supporters that I can give my money to each month, and having a great game is not the only requirement that people have for supporting. People want that personal touch and Silk just doesn't give it. My $30 can go to help out other developers who I feel would actually be appreciative of the money rather than who, IMO, seems to be out for himself and money and nothing else.

I am not saying you are not wrong, honestly don't know. But by June the decision was already made, no matter how much he could have interacted with his potential supporters, the outcome would have been the same: development is finished.

 

[memoriable]

Thats like putting straw out for a horse that's already in the next county. I dont see why he just doesnt turn his patreon to payment after release and just slowly chip away at it, he wouldnt be the only dev doing that

I have tried discussing this with him and the reason seems to be largely because he wouldn't get the monthly support he feels he is owed in that scenario.

It doesn't look like this is going to work out fam.

I have offered to triple the monthly amount he is receiving on this project, which is plenty of breathing room for any passionate developer. He seems to be fixated on the project's current "lack of success" citing that he has to be "realistic" if it isn't catching on. This is one of those "You can lead a horse to water" scenarios where no one is going to be able to convince him that being realistic would have been to never expect to make a profit (at least so soon and at this stage) in the first place. He is going down the sad path we see too often where devs start and stop projects looking for that unicorn that will get a crazy ton of support. I gave him an out if he wanted to drop the project due to personal reasons, but that doesn't seem to be the issue. He just really feels like he should be making around $2000 a month on this. You can't reason with that logic and it's a shame.

Some people just have to learn things the hard way.

 

[Amahl Farouk]

I have tried discussing this with him and the reason seems to be largely because he wouldn't get the monthly support he feels he is owed in that scenario.

It doesn't look like this is going to work out fam.

I have offered to triple the monthly amount he is receiving on this project, which is plenty of breathing room for any passionate developer. He seems to be fixated on the project's current "lack of success" citing that he has to be "realistic" if it isn't catching on. This is one of those "You can lead a horse to water" scenarios where no one is going to be able to convince him that being realistic would have been to never expect to make a profit (at least so soon and at this stage) in the first place. He is going down the sad path we see too often where devs start and stop projects looking for that unicorn that will get a crazy ton of support. I gave him an out if he wanted to drop the project due to personal reasons, but that doesn't seem to be the issue. He just really feels like he should be making around $2000 a month on this. You can't reason with that logic and it's a shame.

Some people just have to learn things the hard way.

Well kudos to you for trying mate. Remember me when my wee game comes out, I just bought a new computer that can actually render with iray

 

[Deleted member 446419]

I am seeing a pattern here. Almost every so-called "slow-burn" game dev gets burned out before the end. So many of these games with potential go down the drain because devs lose interest. This isn't exactly a slow-burn game but still.

 

[Amahl Farouk]

It simply is a case of the dev having a higher opinion of his game than the player base supporting him. Don't get me wrong the game had a lot of potential but with complex games you need to have your wits about you when it comes to paths or you end up with a monster on your hands, and that, really is why most slow burn devs bail

 

[Ayhsel]

That happens with pretty much every game, not just slow burns. Almost every dev starts with "in this game decisions matter" and start setting a lot of choices very fast. Simply math tells you that if decisions do matter, just 5 binary choices gives you a total of 32 paths.

Creating non linear games always have a danger of falling to the curse of dimensionality. That is why many other games set up a lot of choices that simply work to count up or down a single variable called love, lust or whatever. Even if you have a thousand choices, it all boils down to how much they sum up to, usually something like "if variable love is between interval a,b then this, if it is between b,c that".

While there were several choices in this game, I don't think so far it is that the problem here. The way I saw it, there were really two paths right now, megan or mei, with some variations regarding how you treat samara.

The problem here does seem to come from unfulfilled expectations. He think his game is better than what people are willing to compensate him for. While I agree with that statement (I am a hypocrite as I am not supporting him myself), in the end he is simply making a cost vs benefit analysis. The cost (time and monetary) are greater than his benefit (they seem to be simply monetary here). You can argue that he is being too short-sighted, as he could continue this game just to set up a reputation and benefit in the following one, but that could boil down to his discount factor being too high: future payoffs do not compensate current cost.

But again, this can happen in all kind of games, not just slow burns. What happen usually is that slow burns are held to a higher standard in terms of story and quality (renders, music, final details), so they tend to be more costly both monetary and timewise. The reason is that as slow burns give the player no fast satisfaction as simply fapfest, they cannot just include random sex scenes to make players interested in them.

 

[Sorrow85]

In the first game you have to make a "reputation" for yourself.

Take a look at the number of DPC patreons when he released the first episode of BAIDK:

And now DPC patreons reach 7k.

Of course, this does not mean that for all dev happens in the same way as DPC but it is not easy to become popular.
I hope to see Meghan in the future.

 

[jamdan]

The issue with slow paced games is they need some sort of "hook" to get the players invested. This doesn't really have that, it has a lot of stuff in it but it's all very blurry as to where its going.

A Wife and Mother is the definition of a slow paced game, but people like it because they can see the destination. Sophia getting corrupted, she will eventually (in like 5 more years) go from a nun to a horny MILF who is banging her own son and daughter. People like that destination and are willing to take the journey to get there.

But this game doesn't have a clear destination. It's too complex to follow. What is the supernatural stuff that is going on? What are the family members doing? What is going on in general? Who knows. Some people are willing to follow a path to see where it goes, but some want to have an idea as to where they are heading.

Another thing is, from a fetish standpoint, we don't have a clear idea as to what the games main fetish content will be. Is this a corruption game? Is this a romance game? Is this an incest game? *GASPS* Is this an NTR game? Who knows, but even slow paced story games have some sort of central fetish (or theme, may be a better word) that the sexual content is based around. And as we all know, people can be very sensitive to that stuff.


I really do think if this developer makes a new game of the same quality, but with a more defined story and fetishes, they'll get 100 patrons within a month or two, maybe quicker.

Another important thing to note is the developer themselves impact how their game is supported outside of the game itself. People are much more willing to support (and give leeway) to devs who communicate well and has good relations with the community.

 

[RattledSam]

good game but in wrong hands

 

[doe50818]

The personalities of the main characters through several scenes and especially the beach scene by itself made me completely forget I was watching something fictional. It was as much "slice of life" as you can get. It's a real shame if this won't be continued. I don't even care about the sex scenes, I want to see more of the rest. None of the other games have so far achieved to portray such a level of deep, synergistic intimacy between two characters, not Avalon, not Acting Lessons, not Deliverance... none of them!

 

[NerfMyPP]

can anyone tell me the plot of this game?