Unreal Engine Project Extermination: Operation GroundZeroes [Phase 2 - 2023-07-16] [MATEYDEV]

[barr34]

This is probably the most annoying, incorrect, and crap argument that is so regularly brought up in literally every type of discussion.

The belief that you can't comment on something because you aren't taking active part in, or haven't done, is idiotic. People in the USA comment on issues in Europe, even though they don't live there or aren't affected by these issues. People in Europe comment on issues in America even though they don't live there or aren't affected by them.

I've never played Starfield, never interacted with it other than viewing videos. Are my thoughts on it being a piece of shit invalid because of that?

If you try raising that someone isn't entitled to something being catered to them, then fine, because it doesn't have to. The downside of that will be that you'll lose out on potential players, recognition, and success. Because even though I haven't donated to this project, I know for a fact that the game will see more success by playing to its core appeals and core audience rather than trying to make it into something else entirely (Like Future Fragments did. Though I wouldn't say the dev of that one is even closely comparable to this one).

The stuff that's in the game now looks good. For a single developer, the game looks pretty insane. But it won't be much if you don't play towards the porn aspect way more than what is currently in it. It'll just be another third person apocalyptic shooter #100. The only real way the game'll be groundbreaking is if the dev caters towards the porn. Because a good third person apocalyptic porn shooter doesn't exist. That's an audience that has never been fed with any good quality cooking yet. And trying to both cater to the non-porn game playing audience and the porn game playing audience will get you a mid-tier recognized game.

The game would 100% reach the top page of this site if it focused on that. And definitely way farther than porn games reach on sites like steam. Because there exist a thousand RPGM games out there, a thousand visual novels, but never anything like this. And seeing that squandered will hurt both people who've decided to pay for the game, and ones who haven't. Just in different ways.

In any case, an open world third person porn game with a good story and cool mechanics would definitely tickle my pickle. So this game is the second porn game I'll ever debate actually buying, though only on release, and if I see that the game hasn't squandered the potential.

Damn right, i'd definetely buy this if it ever actually gets completed, but i like to be able to keep it a 100 with everyone here and not get classified as a coomer or sex hungry maniac like it has happened before on this thread (that i've been ghosting around for a while). And i agree with what you said.

I get the whole shtick that the dev is trying to go for, and i'll admit, it's quite impressive for a solo guy to be doing all of this, but being 100% real, the one thing that really draws at least me and the "CoOmEr mAjOrItY" (which, being respectful, is your target audience ) is the porn, not the "alien parasite infestation in dystopian world trope" or the shoot and cover mechanics or any other thing because like i said before, i can already find that in other titles that are readily available in better platforms.

The only real thing that makes this worthwhile is the porn, and i honestly only check on this thread and the patreon to see if there's any progress in that regard, because it's the only thing that makes this interesting. The other things are welcome because else it would just be one of those other games that are just a glorified gallery, but it's like that one quote by John Carmack

"Story in a game is like story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important"

In this case this is a porn game, some things are necessary but the focus should be the content your game is becoming known for and the thing that attracts the most people. But then again, i'll stfu and wait, in the end, i think Matey is a driven dude, and he's actually updating the game with good solid content, not just text modifications and random patches to justify an update and delay like other developers have done in the past. I just want to see some good old space bimbo mercenary getting plowed in a cave

 

[papu69xd]

One problem I see is that this game is trying to cater to both a mainstream audience with the base game, and the H-games audience with the porn addon/mod as an extra, instead of fully committing to one side. I don't know how the mod is going to be distributed, but I fear that if the mainstream audience sees that there is a official porn mod as extra content, they won't buy the game because they will think "yeah this is JUST a porn game", which ofc would be a big hit financially.

And on the porn side, i'm curious to see HOW the content will be implemented. I really hope it incorporates into gameplay more than just "gameover/defeat = H-scene", otherwise it just becomes a "Complete the H-Gallery" game, or download a full save to enjoy the content that you came here for (not to mention that we have thousands of these kind of games here already).

 

[imperialgirl_3772]

For people who are subscribed to their Patreon, it is possible to share these old versions of the game, or at least tell me if those posts are active or if the creator removed the files entirely.
I would greatly appreciate an answer

 

[Alket]

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For people who are subscribed to their Patreon, it is possible to share these old versions of the game, or at least tell me if those posts are active or if the creator removed the files entirely.
I would greatly appreciate an answer

No, the old versions were removed to recover cloud space sadly, but you can go back here, not really a point in playing those old versions tho...

 

[tocksickray]

the one thing that really draws at least me and the "CoOmEr mAjOrItY" (which, being respectful, is your target audience ) is the porn, not the "alien parasite infestation in dystopian world trope" or the shoot and cover mechanics or any other thing because like i said before, i can already find that in other titles that are readily available in better platforms.

While I understand and somewhat agree with your sentiment towards this game based on the rest of your post I have to point out that you as a fan (or critic) have absolutely no grounds to assume what the developers intended target audience for his project is.

As far as I've understood from Mateys earlier posts, he is rather young and it seems to me like game development is a great passion for him which he's interested in pursuing seriously, not as much specifically game development of the pornographic variety. In the past he might have been interested in implementing porn elements into his games for fun, while the games were still somewhat hobby projects, but as he has become more and more seriously devoted to game development as a career path- he also might have started considering building something he could potentially show off in a future portfolio to prospective game studio employers. (This might be a hallucination of mine, though I think Matey actually wrote posts alluding to something like that in the past, someone might correct me on this.)

While I personally would enjoy the game updates much more if Matey shifted development focus back to the pornographic stuff I also think that being peer pressured into doing something you really don't feel like usually leads to very bad results and a dip in quality. The best results come from developers when they're really passionate with what they're working on, and I can see that Matey is very inspired to pursue the development of more "safe for work" gameplay mechanics at the moment, based on the speed and quality of the recent updates, and that is very commendable. Even if this project leaves the scope of a porn game permanently I'd still be looking forward to seeing what Matey is up to with it.

That all said, there is a point to be made about how in the past the game has built and "marketed" itself as a porn project and gained most of its financial support on those foundations. A lot of that same messaging still remains, which might be detrimental to both Matey as a developer and fans of more pornographic stuff like you and me. I hope this is somehow rectified in the near future.

 

[Anders Breivik]

While I understand and somewhat agree with your sentiment towards this game based on the rest of your post I have to point out that you as a fan (or critic) have absolutely no grounds to assume what the developers intended target audience for his project is.

As far as I've understood from Mateys earlier posts, he is rather young and it seems to me like game development is a great passion for him which he's interested in pursuing seriously, not as much specifically game development of the pornographic variety. In the past he might have been interested in implementing porn elements into his games for fun, while the games were still somewhat hobby projects, but as he has become more and more seriously devoted to game development as a career path- he also might have started considering building something he could potentially show off in a future portfolio to prospective game studio employers. (This might be a hallucination of mine, though I think Matey actually wrote posts alluding to something like that in the past, someone might correct me on this.)

While I personally would enjoy the game updates much more if Matey shifted development focus back to the pornographic stuff I also think that being peer pressured into doing something you really don't feel like usually leads to very bad results and a dip in quality. The best results come from developers when they're really passionate with what they're working on, and I can see that Matey is very inspired to pursue the development of more "safe for work" gameplay mechanics at the moment, based on the speed and quality of the recent updates, and that is very commendable. Even if this project leaves the scope of a porn game permanently I'd still be looking forward to seeing what Matey is up to with it.

That all said, there is a point to be made about how in the past the game has built and "marketed" itself as a porn project and gained most of its financial support on those foundations. A lot of that same messaging still remains, which might be detrimental to both Matey as a developer and fans of more pornographic stuff like you and me. I hope this is somehow rectified in the near future.

This would be a very bad move on Mateys part. Quick switching like that will lead to another FF situation. Check the comments on that one and you'll see what screwing over your core fan base will do. And, sure, its completely up to him. Same as its completely up to me to go and take a shit out on the street. Whether that would be advisable from any point of view is up to one self to decide.

Your point about not having grounds to assume the target audience is weird as well. Matey has created a game meant to mimic what AAA studios are capable of when it comes to 3D open world games, and injecting porn into that. A combo that has yet to be seen so far, and something that would lead to massive success if finished. And Mateys intended audience may have been something else entirely (Doubtful, there is no other demographic he could have aimed towards with the choices he made), but he has in the past shown no implications of the project switching from what it is now. This means that the backing he's received so far would be because of that core vision. Changing that will leave you with a disillusioned fan base, and a game that won't be able to keep up with what its trying to do outside of the sphere its currently in.

Mentioned it in my previous comment. But the game will literally not be anything more than what already exists on the market. Impressive for doing it alone, very impressive. but hard work, dedication, and talent, will not net you any sort of profits if the end result is ultimately just what already exists on the market. The best comparison I could make would be sewing: Making a really cool T-shirt over several months through excruciating work with a cool end product. But not really mattering in the grand scheme of things since underpaid workers in Bangladesh are able to do what you do by following a set of instructions.

Trying to mix the game would end even worse than completely veering off the original path. Since, you would be left with an unmarketable game (Because it's a porn game, and can therefor not run ads on it where it would reach the most amount of people. Think Youtube. As well as a smaller target audience, since its really only weirdos in society playing porn games.) and subpar porn game (Because you skimped out on the porn to focus on creating a normal game).

As repeatedly said, completely up to Matey. And my opinion is no more important than anyone else's. But I would like to see what arguments can be made against what I'm saying. I really don't see what can be argued outside of it being his project (That is being funded by other people) and him having being the executive decision maker.

 

[barr34]

That all said, there is a point to be made about how in the past the game has built and "marketed" itself as a porn project and gained most of its financial support on those foundations. A lot of that same messaging still remains, which might be detrimental to both Matey as a developer and fans of more pornographic stuff like you and me. I hope this is somehow rectified in the near future.

That's what i mean by "target audience", i have plenty of grounds to assume so since it has been marketed as a porn game, it's here in a porn forum, videos of it are uploaded everywhere in porn sites, and if we're even discussing here in the first place it's because of the porn in the game, hell let's not kid ourselves most people are here because of the porn, if it's not your "target audience", then at least it's the audience that supports the thing in it's majority.

I get that you support him, because he's a great dev and a talented one at that too. I can't peer pressure him to do shit, he doesn't know me or anyone here, he's a talented dude he can make whatever he wants, i'm just saying what i think, at least that's still free.

That's all i'm saying, sorry if that upsets anyone, for real, i'm just saying what i think i'm not here to offend anyone or whoever likes the work he is putting out or whatever. Like i said before, i never denied that, in fact i've said multiple times how he's capable and how for example, his other projects went to shit because of problems outside of his control which is absolutely something you can't blame on the guy.

I agree with what Alibaba said above aswell.

 

[barr34]

Also there's something itching at the back of my mind, it has been mentioned multiple times here by Mister Alket and other people. This is a pirate site, and this demo that we have right now i assume has been ripped or something. In any case, the site itself and us have been talked about in a sort of "bad light" (piraters, pirate site, etc.)

Why is Matey allowing F95 to share this build around, doesn't it hurt his patreon or chances to bring in more support? At any rate, thanks for any answers on this matter it's just basic curiosity.

 

[tocksickray]

This would be a very bad move on Mateys part. Quick switching like that will lead to another FF situation. Check the comments on that one and you'll see what screwing over your core fan base will do. And, sure, its completely up to him. Same as its completely up to me to go and take a shit out on the street. Whether that would be advisable from any point of view is up to one self to decide.

Your point about not having grounds to assume the target audience is weird as well. Matey has created a game meant to mimic what AAA studios are capable of when it comes to 3D open world games, and injecting porn into that. A combo that has yet to be seen so far, and something that would lead to massive success if finished. And Mateys intended audience may have been something else entirely (Doubtful, there is no other demographic he could have aimed towards with the choices he made), but he has in the past shown no implications of the project switching from what it is now. This means that the backing he's received so far would be because of that core vision. Changing that will leave you with a disillusioned fan base, and a game that won't be able to keep up with what its trying to do outside of the sphere its currently in.

Mentioned it in my previous comment. But the game will literally not be anything more than what already exists on the market. Impressive for doing it alone, very impressive. but hard work, dedication, and talent, will not net you any sort of profits if the end result is ultimately just what already exists on the market. The best comparison I could make would be sewing: Making a really cool T-shirt over several months through excruciating work with a cool end product. But not really mattering in the grand scheme of things since underpaid workers in Bangladesh are able to do what you do by following a set of instructions.

Trying to mix the game would end even worse than completely veering off the original path. Since, you would be left with an unmarketable game (Because it's a porn game, and can therefor not run ads on it where it would reach the most amount of people. Think Youtube. As well as a smaller target audience, since its really only weirdos in society playing porn games.) and subpar porn game (Because you skimped out on the porn to focus on creating a normal game).

As repeatedly said, completely up to Matey. And my opinion is no more important than anyone else's. But I would like to see what arguments can be made against what I'm saying. I really don't see what can be argued outside of it being his project (That is being funded by other people) and him having being the executive decision maker.

Thank you, this is a much more thought out criticism, and I can definitely agree with a lot of the stuff you point out here- especially on the topic of how a more 'sterile' direction for the game does end up being less original overall- and seems less entertaining to people like us at least. I would really like someone with Mateys knowledge, skill, and dedication to bring us a version of a game that has all the bells and whistles of AAA games combined with fantastic fetish porn content, but if that's not something he's aiming for nowadays, I cannot fault him and still look forward to his future work.

Referring to your 'sewing for yourself vs. sweatshop' analogy: I can see how you might consider something like sewing less impactful overall to greater society when there are many sweatshops pumping out a product like yours, much faster, and more reliably- but that sounds like choosing to view the artwork as simply a means to an end for a completed product. While this might be the case with Operation Groundzeroes- as it is a 'Funny Metal Gear Raping: Revengeance(TM)' game, and it being a porn game mostly supported by porn game fans- it's still not a very viable way to look at art in general, and Matey's work shouldn't be an exception to that.

If the boy really wants to make a really milquetoast Chripple Ay Action/Adventure/Horror/Survival/Resource Management game with zero cool fetish content I choose to delude myself that maybe- just maybe- this guy adds enough of his own interesting creative ideas to that incredibly cursed and overdone concept, even if it's not porn related. The game is still in very early development and I assume most of the more interesting gameplay features he's thinking of right now haven't been implemented yet.

If what you write about Matey is true- specifically him never explicitly and directly stating that he'd like to lean away from porn and into the more SFW game development ecosystem- I can see how a lot of the newer developments in the game can be criticized as confusing and disappointing, especially from the consumer standpoint. Then again, are these new developments themselves not indicative of Mateys own standpoint on this matter?

It seems that at the end of the day it all boils down to how much weight should the community have over a project built by one guy, even if the community itself is very responsible for the success of the project? I personally think having financial support and a fanbase like this one would be fantastic, but that still in no way gives that fanbase more creative control over the project compared to the control of the developer.

Maybe I'm confusing criticism with winging from time to time, it's all about the tone of the message I guess. (my autism be damned! )

In no way am I trying to whiteknight for Matey, but I do have a tendency to try and sympathize with solo developers more than the consumers of their projects, at least with developers that are this transparent and frequent in updates of their work, (of course, I'm aware that there's a lot of cunts out there calling themselves 'devs' while milking whales for very little work on a very irregular basis, but Matey doesn't strike me like that type of developer).

Appreciate your measured response man, while there's a lot of people browsing this forum with at least one of their hands on their dicks, I like to read fanfiction shit like this from time to time. I really need to get some new hobbies.

 

[barr34]

Thank you, this is a much more thought out criticism, and I can definitely agree with a lot of the stuff you point out here- especially on the topic of how a more 'sterile' direction for the game does end up being less original overall- and seems less entertaining to people like us at least. I would really like someone with Mateys knowledge, skill, and dedication to bring us a version of a game that has all the bells and whistles of AAA games combined with fantastic fetish porn content, but if that's not something he's aiming for nowadays, I cannot fault him and still look forward to his future work.

Referring to your 'sewing for yourself vs. sweatshop' analogy: I can see how you might consider something like sewing less impactful overall to greater society when there are many sweatshops pumping out a product like yours, much faster, and more reliably- but that sounds like choosing to view the artwork as simply a means to an end for a completed product. While this might be the case with Operation Groundzeroes- as it is a 'Funny Metal Gear Raping: Revengeance(TM)' game, and it being a porn game mostly supported by porn game fans- it's still not a very viable way to look at art in general, and Matey's work shouldn't be an exception to that.

If the boy really wants to make a really milquetoast Chripple Ay Action/Adventure/Horror/Survival/Resource Management game with zero cool fetish content I choose to delude myself that maybe- just maybe- this guy adds enough of his own interesting creative ideas to that incredibly cursed and overdone concept, even if it's not porn related. The game is still in very early development and I assume most of the more interesting gameplay features he's thinking of right now haven't been implemented yet.

If what you write about Matey is true- specifically him never explicitly and directly stating that he'd like to lean away from porn and into the more SFW game development ecosystem- I can see how a lot of the newer developments in the game can be criticized as confusing and disappointing, especially from the consumer standpoint. Then again, are these new developments themselves not indicative of Mateys own standpoint on this matter?

It seems that at the end of the day it all boils down to how much weight should the community have over a project built by one guy, even if the community itself is very responsible for the success of the project? I personally think having financial support and a fanbase like this one would be fantastic, but that still in no way gives that fanbase more creative control over the project compared to the control of the developer.

Maybe I'm confusing criticism with winging from time to time, it's all about the tone of the message I guess. (my autism be damned! )

In no way am I trying to whiteknight for Matey, but I do have a tendency to try and sympathize with solo developers more than the consumers of their projects, at least with developers that are this transparent and frequent in updates of their work, (of course, I'm aware that there's a lot of cunts out there calling themselves 'devs' while milking whales for very little work on a very irregular basis, but Matey doesn't strike me like that type of developer).

Appreciate your measured response man, while there's a lot of people browsing this forum with at least one of their hands on their dicks, I like to read fanfiction shit like this from time to time. I really need to get some new hobbies.

Actually i think your views are pretty spot on too and cool, you're definetely not whiteknighting like some other guys here (you haven't called anyone a troll for voicing an opinion for example.) What you say about Matey i think is 100% true, which is also why i'm not shitting on the project or anything, hell, i think this is one if not the only hentai game that looks nice enough to be legendary, like Parasite in City and maybe Night of Revenge.

 

[Alket]

...wow, a lots of text walls and some assumptions that are not entirely true, many of these points have already been touched previously on this thread, let's do a quick recap. Ping me if you want further insight on something, imma not answering directly to the stuff above, because it's Saturday and I'm lazy, but I'll try to go point to point.

• The game wants to be a semi-open world action horror adventure, where the horror and shock aspects are enhanced by pornographic elements, details on the porn stuff here.

• Due to regional limitations and legal issues, especially with crowdfunding platforms and some online banking services, it was decided that the porn (and only the downright porn) will be published through an external plugin developed in parallel with the help of an animator, referred as Gato for shit & giggles (who wants to remain anonymous, duh), that Matto knows and have had a collaboration in the past, some of the identities and webpages, like Pixiv and Twitter are likely to be rebranded and "handed over" towards Gato to dodge all this colossal anti-porn bullshit popping up in the last years all around the fucking planet andkeep Matto clear. All assets will be provided by Matto, only the models & animation that depict porn are being outsourced, while keeping a close eye on quality.
  • The plugin system and adult-mod are already working and once the game is out nothing will prevent animators or modders to but in, I can see some even asking Matto directly for access to assets if their idea is solid.

• The target audience is adults who want an uncensored brutal world where touchy themes are made explicit (the porn mod will made these themes more visible and interactive), the target audience IS NOT adult gaming only, because this game has adult themes at it's core and will have (with the mod) core mechanics tailored around that, but it's not the only part of it. This means that importance on the general gameplay is paramount.

• Community is being heard, but there is only so much stuff that a single dev, right now the focus is finishing all aspects of the combat system and adding QOL stuff, to create a solid demo.
  • There is currently a closed bug/stress testing in progress with the combat system by about 10/15 people and let me tell you, beside some minor polish issues, it sits right there with Resident Evil remakes in terms of smoothness and the CQC is really well done and pretty much shits on Callisto Protocol if comments from those that played that game are to be believed.

I just want to touch this directly with a micro rant:

[...]

Why is Matey allowing F95 to share this build around, doesn't it hurt his patreon or chances to bring in more support?

[...]

Dude, I literally cannot delete this thread, moderators on this forum will not allow that...same, if not worse, with having all the older prototypes, broken builds and lost concepts that still haunt this place: we were not the ones posting directly...I'm doing damage control here...this is why I'm sometimes hostile towards porn-only enjoyers and all these constant requests towards that or people who keep asking for deprecated stuff back, because I KNOW that either this is not the game for them or the project has evolved to a direction that they might not like and I can't do shit about it, all while reading these toxic words that some people spit.

micro rant over.

 

[barr34]

Dude, I literally cannot delete this thread, moderators on this forum will not allow that...same, if not worse, with having all the older prototypes, broken builds and lost concepts that still haunt this place: we were not the ones posting directly...I'm doing damage control here...this is why I'm sometimes hostile towards porn-only enjoyers and all these constant requests towards that or people who keep asking for deprecated stuff back, because I KNOW that either this is not the game for them or the project has evolved to a direction that they might not like and I can't do shit about it, all while reading these toxic words that some people spit.

micro rant over.

Everything else you've said i know Alk, don't worry, i was just voicing my views, which may be wrong may be right, probably wrong but idk.

But holy shit dude! I thought that maybe you guys allowed one build here or something, that's actually incredibly shitty of the site i think, because if the devs themselves are asking you to take it down you should, end of story, specially with broken builds or prototypes that could damage the image of the product. It's a really shitty move. I don't even download from here tbh i use that other site that i don't think i'm allowed to mention...

I actually thought that if you asked they would take down pirated content if you happened to be the creator or owner... Big douche move lmao.

 

[johnyakuza1]

• There is currently a closed bug/stress testing in progress with the combat system by about 10/15 people and let me tell you, beside some minor polish issues, it sits right there with Resident Evil remakes in terms of smoothness and the CQC is really well done and pretty much shits on Callisto Protocol if comments from those that played that game are to be believed.

I'll take your word for it mate... I just hope it's not another Starfield.

 

[Alket]

Everything else you've said i know Alk, don't worry, i was just voicing my views, which may be wrong may be right, probably wrong but idk.

But holy shit dude! I thought that maybe you guys allowed one build here or something, that's actually incredibly shitty of the site i think, because if the devs themselves are asking you to take it down you should, end of story, specially with broken builds or prototypes that could damage the image of the product. It's a really shitty move. I don't even download from here tbh i use that other site that i don't think i'm allowed to mention...

I actually thought that if you asked they would take down pirated content if you happened to be the creator or owner... Big douche move lmao.

At one point we decided to release here to maintain a modicum of control, since stuff would be leaked regardless... Same for requesting ownership of the other 2 threads from the first prototype and the lost side scroller...but for policy of the website I cannot delete neither a thread nor download links, penalty a ban.

 

[johnyakuza1]

At one point we decided to release here to maintain a modicum of control, since stuff would be leaked regardless... Same for requesting ownership of the other 2 threads from the first prototype and the lost side scroller...but for policy of the website I cannot delete neither a thread nor download links, penalty a ban.

That was the point, I think. Previously, F95 gave control to the developers to become thread owners, but there were some unusual cases where the dev had a meltdown and banned everyone or tried to delete the thread or hold it hostage. To prevent that scenario, their bots own the page and devs simply release their games here.

Also, why would you want to delete the side-scroller game, and be lost to time? It was such a good prototype... I still play it sometimes.

 

[barr34]

At one point we decided to release here to maintain a modicum of control, since stuff would be leaked regardless... Same for requesting ownership of the other 2 threads from the first prototype and the lost side scroller...but for policy of the website I cannot delete neither a thread nor download links, penalty a ban.

That's actually fucking crazy, i don't agree with how the site handles that really it's kinda shitty now that i know about it

 

[Anders Breivik]

Thank you, this is a much more thought out criticism, and I can definitely agree with a lot of the stuff you point out here- especially on the topic of how a more 'sterile' direction for the game does end up being less original overall- and seems less entertaining to people like us at least. I would really like someone with Mateys knowledge, skill, and dedication to bring us a version of a game that has all the bells and whistles of AAA games combined with fantastic fetish porn content, but if that's not something he's aiming for nowadays, I cannot fault him and still look forward to his future work.

Referring to your 'sewing for yourself vs. sweatshop' analogy: I can see how you might consider something like sewing less impactful overall to greater society when there are many sweatshops pumping out a product like yours, much faster, and more reliably- but that sounds like choosing to view the artwork as simply a means to an end for a completed product. While this might be the case with Operation Groundzeroes- as it is a 'Funny Metal Gear Raping: Revengeance(TM)' game, and it being a porn game mostly supported by porn game fans- it's still not a very viable way to look at art in general, and Matey's work shouldn't be an exception to that.

If the boy really wants to make a really milquetoast Chripple Ay Action/Adventure/Horror/Survival/Resource Management game with zero cool fetish content I choose to delude myself that maybe- just maybe- this guy adds enough of his own interesting creative ideas to that incredibly cursed and overdone concept, even if it's not porn related. The game is still in very early development and I assume most of the more interesting gameplay features he's thinking of right now haven't been implemented yet.

If what you write about Matey is true- specifically him never explicitly and directly stating that he'd like to lean away from porn and into the more SFW game development ecosystem- I can see how a lot of the newer developments in the game can be criticized as confusing and disappointing, especially from the consumer standpoint. Then again, are these new developments themselves not indicative of Mateys own standpoint on this matter?

It seems that at the end of the day it all boils down to how much weight should the community have over a project built by one guy, even if the community itself is very responsible for the success of the project? I personally think having financial support and a fanbase like this one would be fantastic, but that still in no way gives that fanbase more creative control over the project compared to the control of the developer.

Maybe I'm confusing criticism with winging from time to time, it's all about the tone of the message I guess. (my autism be damned! )

In no way am I trying to whiteknight for Matey, but I do have a tendency to try and sympathize with solo developers more than the consumers of their projects, at least with developers that are this transparent and frequent in updates of their work, (of course, I'm aware that there's a lot of cunts out there calling themselves 'devs' while milking whales for very little work on a very irregular basis, but Matey doesn't strike me like that type of developer).

Appreciate your measured response man, while there's a lot of people browsing this forum with at least one of their hands on their dicks, I like to read fanfiction shit like this from time to time. I really need to get some new hobbies.

According to Alkets response to the conversation, the porn aspect of the game is meant to enhance other areas, rather than the porn playing a bigger part. I can respect that, and its something I agree with. But I would do it in reverse (Personally. But I am not, and never will be, a game developer. So it doesn't really matter). I would rather have the other aspects enhancing the porn rather than the porn enhancing the other stuff. But that is mostly preference, and I have not donated so I won't try and argue that he should do it that way.

I like my porn with plot. Simple porn videos with no backstory, porn gifs, and still images, while hot: Ultimately do not achieve what I am looking for. Which is why I gravitate towards hentai and hentai games rather than IRL stuff. Since, well, porn actors aren't really actors. And the porn directors aren't really directors. So seeing Matey going another direction is a bit of a nut kick. But, again, I have not donated, so what I want doesn't matter.

I think where we mostly disagree ultimately comes down to personal values and beliefs. You said that Mateys supporters should have no influence on Mateys work. And its certainly a take, and one that is positive in the way that it allows more creative freedom. And that's where we differ. I believe that as soon as you take any sort of payment for any service you're offering, its entirely up to you to meet the expectations of customers to the best of your ability. Or, at least, attempting to fulfill what it is they're paying you for. And that's how I view most things in life. If my grandmother asks me to, i don't know, clean her car. And offers payment for that, then I am not going to go take her money and go clean her garage instead. Ill fulfill the original deal, and that will be that.

I am of the belief that as soon as you take compensation, you are beholden to the one paying. And while you shouldn't just do everything they say (since they can be wrong when it comes to your area of expertise), you should at least provide the best product or service you can for them to fulfill the original promise and arrangement you made. Simply changing it because you "want to do something else" isn't okay. Because you have now, quite literally, scammed every single person who donated towards you to fulfill the original promise.

I am not go to demand for features from someone who's doing something for free/a product I have gotten for free. I am only going to criticize and remind that they have duties to uphold to the people who actually are paying. And if they don't have anyone paying, then they are free to do whatever they want. Where my only criticizm will be about quality and where I believe more focus could have been put towards.

Most of the stuff I brought up has to do with keeping people accountable. There is no organization keeping scammers and milkers on patreon in check. Which is why I believe that bootlicking and constant comments of "believe" are hurtful towards the larger communty. Its literally up to us to make sure that people who are undeserving of support don't get any so they don't hurt people who don't know better. Whether Matey is that kind of person will have to be seen (Though I don't believe him to be the type of guy either. But money and power corrupts, so its up in the air).

Its especially egregious in the porn game community, where commer brains will excuse any behavior simply because devs are able to show a product of average quality and it will already look like S tier content because the competition is so shit.

I don't think we can reach much more of a conclusion than this though. But, yeah, its fun to actually be able to hold a measured discussion for once. Though the thought that this discussion about a porn game has been better than other more important areas and things in life lowers my hope in humanity lmao.

 

[Alket]

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Also, why would you want to delete the side-scroller game, and be lost to time? It was such a good prototype... I still play it sometimes.

Because it's indicative of something that is no longer in the immediate scope of development (no, the idea is not scrapped) and some people do not\refuse to understand that it's not going to happen any time soon, this in turn generates requests for it and every time we have to explain this stuff and suffer from rants.

TLDR it's old shit that creates confusion and unrealistic expectations, expecially in sites like this.

 

[sammo905]

honestly if the demo is as good as you say it is and the game ends up having mod support
really nothing to worry about for anyone here cus take games like skyrim for example a game with a good skeleton that modders took and completely lewded into a porn game

 

[Alket]

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I would rather have the other aspects enhancing the porn rather than the porn enhancing the other stuff. But that is mostly preference, and I have not donated so I won't try and argue that he should do it that way.

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I am of the belief that as soon as you take compensation, you are beholden to the one paying. And while you shouldn't just do everything they say (since they can be wrong when it comes to your area of expertise), you should at least provide the best product or service you can for them to fulfill the original promise and arrangement you made. Simply changing it because you "want to do something else" isn't okay. Because you have now, quite literally, scammed every single person who donated towards you to fulfill the original promise.

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The first point is why there is a very vocal minority that harasses Matto, entitled people that want mainly porn and can't take no for an answer, not you, mind that, people who DM in Discord or stuff, it has happened even for people who are not supporting and that's fucking mental.

The second point is where I tell you "welcome to open crowdfunded development, where you are not obliged to do anything and if you pitch in a prototype be ready to have that prototype evolve, not necessarily in a way you completely agree upon ".

Jokes aside, unpopular opinion, reality check: a "patron", on whatever platform, supports the development of a project, this means that they're supposedly in for the ride which is something that many people don't understand, it's not, by default, a preorder of a complete upcoming already determined product.
Patrons should not feel entitled to interfere with the development practices or the project's vision...and they can leave, any time, no questions asked.
You make an investment, no guarantees in contract writing, sometimes the investments don't pay off.