- Aug 31, 2021
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According to Alkets response to the conversation, the porn aspect of the game is meant to enhance other areas, rather than the porn playing a bigger part. I can respect that, and its something I agree with. But I would do it in reverse (Personally. But I am not, and never will be, a game developer. So it doesn't really matter). I would rather have the other aspects enhancing the porn rather than the porn enhancing the other stuff. But that is mostly preference, and I have not donated so I won't try and argue that he should do it that way.Thank you, this is a much more thought out criticism, and I can definitely agree with a lot of the stuff you point out here- especially on the topic of how a more 'sterile' direction for the game does end up being less original overall- and seems less entertaining to people like us at least. I would really like someone with Mateys knowledge, skill, and dedication to bring us a version of a game that has all the bells and whistles of AAA games combined with fantastic fetish porn content, but if that's not something he's aiming for nowadays, I cannot fault him and still look forward to his future work.
Referring to your 'sewing for yourself vs. sweatshop' analogy: I can see how you might consider something like sewing less impactful overall to greater society when there are many sweatshops pumping out a product like yours, much faster, and more reliably- but that sounds like choosing to view the artwork as simply a means to an end for a completed product. While this might be the case with Operation Groundzeroes- as it is a 'Funny Metal Gear Raping: Revengeance(TM)' game, and it being a porn game mostly supported by porn game fans- it's still not a very viable way to look at art in general, and Matey's work shouldn't be an exception to that.
If the boy really wants to make a really milquetoast Chripple Ay Action/Adventure/Horror/Survival/Resource Management game with zero cool fetish content I choose to delude myself that maybe- just maybe- this guy adds enough of his own interesting creative ideas to that incredibly cursed and overdone concept, even if it's not porn related. The game is still in very early development and I assume most of the more interesting gameplay features he's thinking of right now haven't been implemented yet.
If what you write about Matey is true- specifically him never explicitly and directly stating that he'd like to lean away from porn and into the more SFW game development ecosystem- I can see how a lot of the newer developments in the game can be criticized as confusing and disappointing, especially from the consumer standpoint. Then again, are these new developments themselves not indicative of Mateys own standpoint on this matter?
It seems that at the end of the day it all boils down to how much weight should the community have over a project built by one guy, even if the community itself is very responsible for the success of the project? I personally think having financial support and a fanbase like this one would be fantastic, but that still in no way gives that fanbase more creative control over the project compared to the control of the developer.
Maybe I'm confusing criticism with winging from time to time, it's all about the tone of the message I guess. (my autism be damned!)
In no way am I trying to whiteknight for Matey, but I do have a tendency to try and sympathize with solo developers more than the consumers of their projects, at least with developers that are this transparent and frequent in updates of their work, (of course, I'm aware that there's a lot of cunts out there calling themselves 'devs' while milking whales for very little work on a very irregular basis, but Matey doesn't strike me like that type of developer).
Appreciate your measured response man, while there's a lot of people browsing this forum with at least one of their hands on their dicks, I like to read fanfiction shit like this from time to time. I really need to get some new hobbies.
I like my porn with plot. Simple porn videos with no backstory, porn gifs, and still images, while hot: Ultimately do not achieve what I am looking for. Which is why I gravitate towards hentai and hentai games rather than IRL stuff. Since, well, porn actors aren't really actors. And the porn directors aren't really directors. So seeing Matey going another direction is a bit of a nut kick. But, again, I have not donated, so what I want doesn't matter.
I think where we mostly disagree ultimately comes down to personal values and beliefs. You said that Mateys supporters should have no influence on Mateys work. And its certainly a take, and one that is positive in the way that it allows more creative freedom. And that's where we differ. I believe that as soon as you take any sort of payment for any service you're offering, its entirely up to you to meet the expectations of customers to the best of your ability. Or, at least, attempting to fulfill what it is they're paying you for. And that's how I view most things in life. If my grandmother asks me to, i don't know, clean her car. And offers payment for that, then I am not going to go take her money and go clean her garage instead. Ill fulfill the original deal, and that will be that.
I am of the belief that as soon as you take compensation, you are beholden to the one paying. And while you shouldn't just do everything they say (since they can be wrong when it comes to your area of expertise), you should at least provide the best product or service you can for them to fulfill the original promise and arrangement you made. Simply changing it because you "want to do something else" isn't okay. Because you have now, quite literally, scammed every single person who donated towards you to fulfill the original promise.
I am not go to demand for features from someone who's doing something for free/a product I have gotten for free. I am only going to criticize and remind that they have duties to uphold to the people who actually are paying. And if they don't have anyone paying, then they are free to do whatever they want. Where my only criticizm will be about quality and where I believe more focus could have been put towards.
Most of the stuff I brought up has to do with keeping people accountable. There is no organization keeping scammers and milkers on patreon in check. Which is why I believe that bootlicking and constant comments of "believe" are hurtful towards the larger communty. Its literally up to us to make sure that people who are undeserving of support don't get any so they don't hurt people who don't know better. Whether Matey is that kind of person will have to be seen (Though I don't believe him to be the type of guy either. But money and power corrupts, so its up in the air).
Its especially egregious in the porn game community, where commer brains will excuse any behavior simply because devs are able to show a product of average quality and it will already look like S tier content because the competition is so shit.
I don't think we can reach much more of a conclusion than this though. But, yeah, its fun to actually be able to hold a measured discussion for once. Though the thought that this discussion about a porn game has been better than other more important areas and things in life lowers my hope in humanity lmao.
