Unreal Engine Project Extermination: Operation GroundZeroes [Phase 2 - 2023-07-16] [MATEYDEV]

[Alket]

honestly closing the patreon is the best move he could take, closing it down is a show of goodwill

Yes and no, it's nothing new that Matto is impulsive regarding decisions about communication, he himself admitted that he's not very good at community managing more than once, I try to act as a filter and slow him down when I can, but I'm not a nanny.

I would have posted extensively everywhere regarding the impending pausing/unlisting of Patreon, he decided not to.
Was stopping Patreon a good move before moving to Steam? Arguably yes. Was it done properly? IMO, arguably no.

One can't be good at everything, he's a very talented and dedicated developer, that's what it matters to me and to 99% of his supporters, but for those who are a bit outside his mainstream community channel (Discord rn, Steam in the future) he might come of as confusing or directionless, that's not the case.

 

[banshe]

He still has a Twitter by the way. He just changed the display name a bit so might be a bit harder to follow. Its @TeamGatto

 

[Viixby]

I went ahead and looked at the twitter. (I haven't looked at anything about this game since near the beginning).
Which sort of reminds me of like the phenomena; when you own a pet fish, you don't really realize how much they're growing if you look at it every day, but that one family member that rarely visits is always shocked at how big the fish has grown. I'm quite shocked at how many interesting mechanics have been implemented in their demo videos on Twitter. It's clear that it never was fast growing, but the quality is there, and the dev is also likely getting much faster at learning new mechanics and features with development. It's quite exciting to think what the dev might add later on.

While I'm sure, plenty of people here do already realize that this dev has always had an interest in these advanced combat mechanics and such, which clearly seems like a main inspiration for the game. It's also clear that many people among F95 or just in general aren't familiar with the dev's mentality on that, as well as potentially not at first seeing how much time it takes to learn to replicate or in some cases fully create these advanced mechanics from scratch, even if it meant sacrificing progress on NSFW aspects of the game.
Essentially, I understand the frustration that was shown from both sides. The people outside looking at this project can't wait to play this unique NSFW game and might feel frustrated by the time it takes or the lack of NSFW content, then some people were getting a little scared of the all too common project abandonment, so it's understandable some people might have gotten a little heated, especially if they've put money into Patreon. (Granted I see that we cleared that up, above my post). As I said, I can also see the developer's frustration, they found a hobby of developing and learning how to create unique game mechanics and slowly build upon it, while also having an interest for the NSFW features. The dev can only work so fast, even if they were making good money. However, the dev seems to face various backlash from the past or over misunderstandings while trying to push forward and get a genuinely unique game out and working. I think this step to closing down the Patreon and pushing towards that steam release is going to make a lot of people happy. While also avoiding any potential platform issues. All in all, I'm glad to see what's happened with this project and I think we should take a step back and realize that and just show some support and excitement. Positivity promotes productivity.

 

[winterzone]

I went ahead and looked at the twitter. (I haven't looked at anything about this game since near the beginning).
Which sort of reminds me of like the phenomena; when you own a pet fish, you don't really realize how much they're growing if you look at it every day, but that one family member that rarely visits is always shocked at how big the fish has grown. I'm quite shocked at how many interesting mechanics have been implemented in their demo videos on Twitter. It's clear that it never was fast growing, but the quality is there, and the dev is also likely getting much faster at learning new mechanics and features with development. It's quite exciting to think what the dev might add later on.

While I'm sure, plenty of people here do already realize that this dev has always had an interest in these advanced combat mechanics and such, which clearly seems like a main inspiration for the game. It's also clear that many people among F95 or just in general aren't familiar with the dev's mentality on that, as well as potentially not at first seeing how much time it takes to learn to replicate or in some cases fully create these advanced mechanics from scratch, even if it meant sacrificing progress on NSFW aspects of the game.
Essentially, I understand the frustration that was shown from both sides. The people outside looking at this project can't wait to play this unique NSFW game and might feel frustrated by the time it takes or the lack of NSFW content, then some people were getting a little scared of the all too common project abandonment, so it's understandable some people might have gotten a little heated, especially if they've put money into Patreon. (Granted I see that we cleared that up, above my post). As I said, I can also see the developer's frustration, they found a hobby of developing and learning how to create unique game mechanics and slowly build upon it, while also having an interest for the NSFW features. The dev can only work so fast, even if they were making good money. However, the dev seems to face various backlash from the past or over misunderstandings while trying to push forward and get a genuinely unique game out and working. I think this step to closing down the Patreon and pushing towards that steam release is going to make a lot of people happy. While also avoiding any potential platform issues. All in all, I'm glad to see what's happened with this project and I think we should take a step back and realize that and just show some support and excitement. Positivity promotes productivity.

tell to the people that supported for months to show support and EXCITEMENT, especially the ones that wanted a pure NSFW game and they were told it would have been a pure NSFW game.
Who cares about these people's money right?

 

[Viixby]

tell to the people that supported for months to show support and EXCITEMENT, especially the ones that wanted a pure NSFW game and they were told it would have been a pure NSFW game.
Who cares about these people's money right?

Well from what I just gathered that will still be a thing, it's going to likely come in as a mod for one or both of the applications between Matto and Gato. So... You're not missing out on any NSFW, in fact from what I gathered Gato is focusing very heavily on NSFW, so there should be plenty.

 

[winterzone]

Well from what I just gathered that will still be a thing, it's going to likely come in as a mod for one or both of the applications between Matto and Gato. So... You're not missing out on any NSFW, in fact from what I gathered Gato is focusing very heavily on NSFW, so there should be plenty.

they working together since months and still nothing has been shown, just a 2 second animation months ago. And still, the majority of people and his supporters wanted NSFW to be part of the base game, not some mods added afterward

 

[Viixby]

they working together since months and still nothing has been shown, just a 2 second animation months ago. And still, the majority of people and his supporters wanted NSFW to be part of the base game, not some mods added afterward

That makes sense, but since the start of the project, which was ages ago, all of the platforms have gotten stricter about NSFW content, and it's really random and hard to get monetized and there's way more hoops to jump through. Which is why the mod method is the most likely. I can't speak for "the progress/content" shown overtime as I've only recently come back. If the NSFW content is lacking, then I agree that it truly sucks, especially if that's what the majority of supporters wanted(Which is also something I can't speak for). However, I can say, NSFW content is something that can be built upon much faster than the core aspects of the game. It makes total sense that the NSFW content would be built upon the core game, it gives all of the NSFW content more context, purpose, and generally makes it more fulfilling and appealing. That's my take on it, I'd say I want as much NSFW content as possible, but I seriously don't want a lackluster game with a bunch of NSFW, that's what NSFW animation patreons are for.

If it makes you any more hopeful; I do know from talking to or watching other devs that work with animations/NSFW stuff. Usually once they get going and get a good system going, they can start pumping out a lot more animations and such surprisingly fast. So let's just give the benefit of the doubt until they have their applications up and running. Then if it really is not coming together and NSFW stuff just isn't there, I don't think anyone will scold us for complaining.

 

[winterzone]

That makes sense, but since the start of the project, which was ages ago, all of the platforms have gotten stricter about NSFW content, and it's really random and hard to get monetized and there's way more hoops to jump through. Which is why the mod method is the most likely. I can't speak for "the progress/content" shown overtime as I've only recently come back. If the NSFW content is lacking, then I agree that it truly sucks, especially if that's what the majority of supporters wanted(Which is also something I can't speak for). However, I can say, NSFW content is something that can be built upon much faster than the core aspects of the game. It makes total sense that the NSFW content would be built upon the core game, it gives all of the NSFW content more context, purpose, and generally makes it more fulfilling and appealing. That's my take on it, I'd say I want as much NSFW content as possible, but I seriously don't want a lackluster game with a bunch of NSFW, that's what NSFW animation patreons are for.

its not really about platforms getting stricter, but him living in a country where porn is banned. He started doing money cause of the NSFW aspect of the game then used the "legal problems" excuse to stop doing it, and now his excuse is that he wants to appeal to a wider audience.. like okay. I agree about adding the NSFW content afer building the core, but after 3/4 years of nothing it gets boring. He changed the UI, combat system and his models at least 5 times.. okay being perfectionist but this is too much lol

 

[Viixby]

its not really about platforms getting stricter, but him living in a country where porn is banned. He started doing money cause of the NSFW aspect of the game then used the "legal problems" excuse to stop doing it, and now his excuse is that he wants to appeal to a wider audience.. like okay. I agree about adding the NSFW content afer building the core, but after 3/4 years of nothing it gets boring. He changed the UI, combat system and his models at least 5 times.. okay being perfectionist but this is too much lol

Platforms definitely are getting stricter, that's a common consensus as of recently, I just wasn't sure if that's one of the reasons for them. Legal problems are definitely a fair excuse, even though it's just the internet, things can be cracked down on surprisingly hard, especially if someone is pulling in money.
I disagree with the logic there, if someone is supporting a project, especially one for 3/4 years, they'd have a very good understanding of the pace of the project and the contents being added. Which means it's 100% within the supporters' power to choose to support or not if they don't like where or how fast a project is coming along.

Also I just want to add: Over the past couple hours, me and some game developer friends(who weren't aware of this game), I went through the twitter and example/demo videos and the discord over a screenshare, while comparing timelines and workflows, and they all agree that they have done an extreme amount and improved/learned a lot in the timespan, even if it does seem like a very long time. They're actually blown away by a lot of the systems and what not created.

 

[winterzone]

Platforms definitely are getting stricter, that's a common consensus as of recently, I just wasn't sure if that's one of the reasons for them. Legal problems are definitely a fair excuse, even though it's just the internet, things can be cracked down on surprisingly hard, especially if someone is pulling in money.
I disagree with the logic there, if someone is supporting a project, especially one for 3/4 years, they'd have a very good understanding of the pace of the project and the contents being added. Which means it's 100% within the supporters' power to choose to support or not if they don't like where or how fast a project is coming along.

legal problems are fair excuses, but if you know you live somewhere where you cant make certain things, dont do these things in first place. About the "logic", i talk from an outsider prospective, the ones that supported him for nsfw are long gone

 

[Xaoskun]

Yes and no, it's nothing new that Matto is impulsive regarding decisions about communication, he himself admitted that he's not very good at community managing more than once, I try to act as a filter and slow him down when I can, but I'm not a nanny.

I would have posted extensively everywhere regarding the impending pausing/unlisting of Patreon, he decided not to.
Was stopping Patreon a good move before moving to Steam? Arguably yes. Was it done properly? IMO, arguably no.

One can't be good at everything, he's a very talented and dedicated developer, that's what it matters to me and to 99% of his supporters, but for those who are a bit outside his mainstream community channel (Discord rn, Steam in the future) he might come of as confusing or directionless, that's not the case.

BS im good at everything

 

[spairo83]

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For anyone concerned, Matto is getting ready to release on Steam, he wants to avoid people subbing to Patreon just before its closure.

Thank you
I respect this developer so much! And not only for size of the project he made.

He deserve we continue to keep watching his links and discord to see his next step!

 

[Ayacrin]

I am new to this game and it seems like there is a controversy happening to the Dev, I guess its a good move on closing the patreon, its way better than some Games like Summertime Saga and Pure Onyx milking every they could to their community with way less updates and content

 

[bruhman969]

could the patreon just be up without charging people?

 

[Dervial]

What I am worried about is the false promises that were made to Patreon members back when he(Matto) lost the other side-scroller game and started on this. NSFW baked into the base game and other things. They(Matto) then decided to go with "build the base game first and the NSFW stuff will come in Phase 3." Which isn't uncommon but feel like that should have been told to the members long before it was, I know Alket said Matto is bad at communication but that really isn't an excuse. I know plans change and what not, but that doesn't make the hundreds of dollars many people put into the Patreon sting any less.

Now here we are here. With the NSFW coming in forms of Mods? That he(Matto) said they would work on but also rely on other modders to do too? Sounds like a way out of making the NSFW stuff that was promised long ago. Just worried that will not be followed through on, which leads to more of the false promises.

Also find closing the Patreon account is completely out of left field and could have easily been a public message to all supporters and just froze the payments and allowed no new supporters until the time came. Just seems out of the blue and sketchy. Where people can't see any of the posts talking about the promises and the deliveries. Just hiding it all from the public for what reason? Only they know.

Just voicing my concerns over false promises and what I have personally seen and heard over the years. I am just worried about going this modding route for the extra content and not being followed through on. Just feels like a cheating route where he can put out one mod and say "ok I am done, it's up to the modding community now."

I was once their supporter, while they were doing the side-scroller(which I loved, RIP hard drive) and long into this new game. Which is why I am quite passionate about the whole thing. I do not want them to fail, I hope quite the opposite and they prove all my above statements false. I love his work and can see how crazy good he has gotten over the years and very excited to see where else he can take his talent.

 

[MoreNow]

Project Unknown Elimination Sector Section 7: A Hgame where it's really not at all a hgame or porn game, but really just $ to a dev to learn UE.

i love that this hgame demo endings / deaths dont make sense.
even better is that there is no hscenes outside of the teleported scenes in the room. after the other dev left, its been the same content, rinse repeat, nothing new except some boxes and ladders. wtf has this guy been working on. oh yeah! hes being paid to learn ue! great!

look at that guys - 2 years later.
gg.

 

[hatass]

hes being paid to learn ue! great!

This makes so much sense now lmao

 

[Silwith]

Not sure if I understand correctly, but the Dev is by far not good enough to make it if he goes the "normal game" route, too much out there that is just better in every regard then what he makes, without the Sex he got no pull...

 

[whothehell]

Not sure if I understand correctly, but the Dev is by far not good enough to make it if he goes the "normal game" route, too much out there that is just better in every regard then what he makes, without the Sex he got no pull...

Yep! Hope we'll be wrong and he'll achieve his goals. But looks like he is getting lost in some details. Then lose his interest on his current project and start over with different ideas. This looks like the way to total failure and many of the devs fall on it before.

 

[barr34]

What I am worried about is the false promises that were made to Patreon members back when he(Matto) lost the other side-scroller game and started on this. NSFW baked into the base game and other things. They(Matto) then decided to go with "build the base game first and the NSFW stuff will come in Phase 3." Which isn't uncommon but feel like that should have been told to the members long before it was, I know Alket said Matto is bad at communication but that really isn't an excuse. I know plans change and what not, but that doesn't make the hundreds of dollars many people put into the Patreon sting any less.

Now here we are here. With the NSFW coming in forms of Mods? That he(Matto) said they would work on but also rely on other modders to do too? Sounds like a way out of making the NSFW stuff that was promised long ago. Just worried that will not be followed through on, which leads to more of the false promises.

Also find closing the Patreon account is completely out of left field and could have easily been a public message to all supporters and just froze the payments and allowed no new supporters until the time came. Just seems out of the blue and sketchy. Where people can't see any of the posts talking about the promises and the deliveries. Just hiding it all from the public for what reason? Only they know.

Just voicing my concerns over false promises and what I have personally seen and heard over the years. I am just worried about going this modding route for the extra content and not being followed through on. Just feels like a cheating route where he can put out one mod and say "ok I am done, it's up to the modding community now."

I was once their supporter, while they were doing the side-scroller(which I loved, RIP hard drive) and long into this new game. Which is why I am quite passionate about the whole thing. I do not want them to fail, I hope quite the opposite and they prove all my above statements false. I love his work and can see how crazy good he has gotten over the years and very excited to see where else he can take his talent.

Yeah, but don't worry here come the dickriders saying how this is just "another troll wave" LMAO