Unreal Engine Project Extermination: Operation GroundZeroes [Phase 2 - 2023-07-16] [MATEYDEV]

[mrme]

As others have pointed out, there are games in steam that are outright porn like mad island (hell that one is a guro fest as well) so i kind of wonder what type porn matto worries would have him delisted, because the only ones i have seen that remove a chunk of their content to be allowed in steam are the ones with loli/shota content and unless matto is planning to add that type of content, it wouldnt make that much sense for that to be the reason, unless it has to do with his nationality and laws related to porn since some devs had to deal with that in the past and their projects had to be shut down (RIP the dev of tommie wants to get married)

I think Matty is South Korean iirc

 

[a_bored_guy]

I think Matty is South Korean iirc

IF true, then that's more than a valid reason as for why he wants to keep the NSFW stuff separated, since the authorities and the people would have his ass if they picked up wind about it.
Granted since he also said he wants the game to have a reach similar to games like skyrim, its probably a mix of both, again, IF he is actually from SK

okay, why this post even exist in this forum then

IIRC this is a site for adult games, while adult games do include NSFW, there are also games that are not porn but suggestive, which is why games like the killing antidote are going around in the site, and for all the discourse going around this game, it still has some porn (even if it is only like, 4 scenes)

 

[X-ecutor]

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I dont realy get it...is this a new game, or a total rewamp of the game we already know? Soit wont be a base secure game but instead a ship base survival thing?

 

[Mad Skull]

I dont realy get it...is this a new game, or a total rewamp of the game we already know? Soit wont be a base secure game but instead a ship base survival thing?

A new and interesting update on patreon, though for those looking for adult content flr this game, they will be disappointed. Sounds like the dev is dedicating to making a primarily non adult game and adult bits are being relegated to mods which the dev sees as not necessarily something he alone must work on. (In other words, he is welcome to modders to add their own adult stuff to his game)

He compared it to Skyrim or Fallout where the game will have a solid gameplay loop and many mods can be made for it.

Which is fine.

But I think he's overestimating the reach of his own game if he expecting a considerable number of modders to pitch in. Granted his ideas are solid and he is pushing to publish it on steam, and that will certainly increase the visibility of his game, but I wonder just how much.

Hope it all works out in the end.

Exactly, he need be tossed a cold bucket of reality, i want to clear, he is a huge talented dev if not the best i ever know when working in a game of such quality near by himself, but the reality in open worlds in indie games is dire when competing with AAA games (funny they either arent having their best time) and near all of them end in the one dollar indie package in winter sales.
We understand due rules in his country, patreon and Steam or whatever platform he uses to release his project he needs to adjust to them, creating a base game without Adult content is fine but:

1.- this isnt anymore the thing it was promised at the beginning to patreons who supported financially his game.
2.- " but he is going to separate the game from the Porn content to avoid legal issues when releasing the game" i agree with this, is a great move to avoid legal problems however..
3.- He is vaguely giving us an understanding he stopped completely the Adult development to be added as Mod later but correct me if im wrong: There has been no confirmation that he will personally create the mod, but implying that others (modders and fans) are the ones who are going to make the adult content (very unlikely).

All this "drama" could have been avoided if he or his team showed some adult content of the mod to be released in the future, like "hey look guys this is a preview of the Adult content which i am working to be released as a mod when the game is released" he dont need to post it on patreon to avoid the porn label, but in discord/twitter or other platform.

 

[Rockyyy292]

One has to wonder then, why the fuck did it start as a porn game, or why did it even have porn content to begin with

At the start, he wanted to make a porn game, but he's a beginner in game development industry, and so he asked for help in game developers community but he got rejected by many developers because of his will to make a porn game and they don't want to involve in his game development. After that, he tried to get help from the NSFW game developers community but this community isn't as big as the normal one, so he decided to make a game like Skyrim, and when the game is finished or nearly finished to start the NSFW alternative content as mods or let other people develop it.

 

[VamJamA4]

After that, he tried to get help from the NSFW game developers community but this community isn't as big as the normal one, so he decided to make a game like Skyrim, and when the game is finished or nearly finished to start the NSFW alternative content as mods or let other people develop it.

I know I'm going to sound like a hysterical psycho when I say this but this is known as a "bait and switch." Maybe the dev had no intention to do it, but it's a bait and switch. IMO he either should have finished what he started or he should have refunded his supporters their money and given them the option to give their support for his change in direction.

Imagine what would happen if CIG announced that Star Citizen was no longer going to be an immersive space sim but a standard MOBA like LoL or DOTA after years of fund raising.

 

[Zi0_Matrix]

If Mato still intends on adding NSFW content himself, then he really needs to drop this whole "Just look at Skyrim and Fallout" crap he's been pushing.
"Modders will fix it" is supposed to be a joke, not your plan for game development.

I've read a few of his responses to the comments on the recent Patreon post. I don't know if he has his terminology right or not. The NSFW content won't be a mod but 'a DLC'. Are we paying for the NSFW part now? I can't imagine anybody so concerned with if their game will sell well or not on Steam is completely unaware of the implications of calling something a 'DLC' and not a 'mod'. DLC usually implies a cost. Mod does not.
I mean, 'Just look at Skyrim and Fallout,' people make NSFW mods not NSFW DLCs.
I don't want to dogpile him if he's just using the incorrect terminology, but it's confusing as shit and lends credence to the 'bait and switch' and 'scam' accusations.

 

[FTFaceless]

If Mato still intends on adding NSFW content himself, then he really needs to drop this whole "Just look at Skyrim and Fallout" crap he's been pushing.
"Modders will fix it" is supposed to be a joke, not your plan for game development.

I've read a few of his responses to the comments on the recent Patreon post. I don't know if he has his terminology right or not. The NSFW content won't be a mod but 'a DLC'. Are we paying for the NSFW part now? I can't imagine anybody so concerned with if their game will sell well or not on Steam is completely unaware of the implications of calling something a 'DLC' and not a 'mod'. DLC usually implies a cost. Mod does not.
I mean, 'Just look at Skyrim and Fallout,' people make NSFW mods not NSFW DLCs.
I don't want to dogpile him if he's just using the incorrect terminology, but it's confusing as shit and lends credence to the 'bait and switch' and 'scam' accusations.

What the hell are you talking about? He said that he will do all the content, including NSFW one (just after finishing the core part of the game) as separate DLC in case if someone might wanna stream the game or smtn. He never said that he's going to make some unfinished piece of shit and it's up to modders fix that. He just want to make game somewhat as big as Fallout or Skyrim + actual mods support. I mean it's ambitiuous, but from his posts on Patreon looks pretty real so far.

 

[Zi0_Matrix]

He never said that he's going to make some unfinished piece of shit and it's up to modders fix that. He just want to make game somewhat as big as Fallout or Skyrim + actual mods support.

Then he chose a bad comparison with Skyrim or Fallout, lol
'I want the scope/scale to be like that of Skyrim/Fallout, a big, studio-sized release. We're also planning for official modding tools so people can add their own mods,' he says, while comparing his game to two of the most infamously janky/buggy games that people commonly say to 'fix with mods.'

as separate DLC

So, again, is it a DLC or is it a mod? One assumes a price, one does not. If the plan is for it to be a free addition post-release, then we really should be sticking with calling it a mod or a patch.
If the intention is to label it as a DLC, then people are going to assume there will be a purchase involved.

 

[FTFaceless]

So, again, is it a DLC or is it a mod? One assumes a price, one does not. If the plan is for it to be a free addition post-release, then we really should be sticking with calling it a mod or a patch.
If the intention is to label it as a DLC, then people are going to assume there will be a purchase involved.

Ever heard a term "Free DLC"? No? Feels like not.

Then he chose a bad comparison with Skyrim or Fallout, lol
'I want the scope/scale to be like that of Skyrim/Fallout, a big, studio-sized release. We're also planning for official modding tools so people can add their own mods,' he says, while comparing his game to two of the most infamously janky/buggy games that people commonly say to 'fix with mods.'

No one holds you by the throat that you must buy this game. So why you so mad about it? When it comes in some playable form - download it from here for free. If it's good - it's up to you to buy it or not. If it's easier for dev to compare his game with Skyrim of Fallout rather than MGS V (actually to which it's looks more similar btw), then he means that it's gonna be a big mostly seamless world with a lot of stuff to do. I doubt that he meant what seems to be the only thing you expecting from this game for some weird reason - a broken mess that needs fixing.

Btw, English is not his native language as far as I know...

 

[Trololo2281488]

So, again, is it a DLC or is it a mod? One assumes a price, one does not. If the plan is for it to be a free addition post-release, then we really should be sticking with calling it a mod or a patch.
If the intention is to label it as a DLC, then people are going to assume there will be a purchase involved.

Neither, it will be a sequel. Completely different genre, like colony-sim or RTS with isometric perspective, open for funding on Patreon. Just like the game before... And the game before the game that was before... Ehhh, this multiverse of corrupted hard drives makes my head spin.
But honestly, considering the track record of a dev, who didn't finish a single game he started due to "mysterious circumstances", I'm surprised people took the bait of another "AAA" level game that is destined to A: Be a milking cow; B: Become abandoned the moment people stop paying for it :/

 

[Zi0_Matrix]

Ever heard a term "Free DLC"? No? Feels like not.

Ever heard the word 'disingenuous'? No? Feels like not.
Find me a list of people who's first thought is 'free' when they hear 'DLC' and i'll find you a much, much longer list of people who think 'paid' when they hear 'DLC'. First impressions are important, and using a word that is synonymous with 'spend money' is going to turn people away, even if it's meant to be free.
Get outta here with that lmao

No one holds you by the throat that you must buy this game. So why you so mad about it?

Yeah i'm just gonna take the L on this one and move on. When an internet argument devolves into 'why you so mad about it', nobody looks good.

Do agree with some of the other commenters here, though. If the NSFW part of the game is genuinely still being worked on, teasers, WIPs, something, would go a long way for keeping people interested. Especially considering the forum we're on.

 

[DustyX]

What a game starts out as and what it ends up being upon release may not necessarily be the same thing, ideas evolve and/or are abandoned either due to impracticality, "artistic differences" or other reasons.

Not to make a false equation for this game compared to say... Fallout 4 [I mean, it works for earlier FO games but I digress], it's a complete [opinions differ here, boo] game but I've got it modded six ways till sunday and some of them include nsfw mods.

There's a whole host of variables at play sure [ie: Bethesda being a known quantity as well as the IP itself] but a game can survive and thrive as a 'dubiously' SFW game and also be mod-friendly enough to lewd that absolute heck out of it.

EDIT: After reading Matey's latest progress post I see I've unwittingly parroted much of what he said himself, while I am disappointed that the game will be quite light on the NSFW a much longer time than previously anticipated ---the base game itself has lots of potential, though the "story" seems to fit a similar vein to either Grounded or Subnautica in that there's no 'overarching plot' per se other than your own individual experience and, in the latter case, working on getting a ship constructed to get off planet which was fun the first time though I haven't replayed Subnautica since so idk what the replayability will be like for this game.

 

[Church the Cat]

Me: Patiently waiting for the Steam release, and link to the naughty expansion/mods. ^_^

 

[delightss]

Ever heard a term "Free DLC"? No? Feels like not.



No one holds you by the throat that you must buy this game. So why you so mad about it? When it comes in some playable form - download it from here for free. If it's good - it's up to you to buy it or not. If it's easier for dev to compare his game with Skyrim of Fallout rather than MGS V (actually to which it's looks more similar btw), then he means that it's gonna be a big mostly seamless world with a lot of stuff to do. I doubt that he meant what seems to be the only thing you expecting from this game for some weird reason - a broken mess that needs fixing.

Btw, English is not his native language as far as I know...

free dlc was in indie game hollow knight, even 2 small and 2 big dlcs

 

[DustyX]

Me: Patiently waiting for the Steam release, and link to the naughty expansion/mods. ^_^
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[MoreNow]

From the dev on patreon:

"I'm not adding porn mods to be the official game contents, sorry but it's no different if it's mods or base contents, it's the DLCs that you guys will have to install later. I'm just trying to make the game easier for my marketing model and not stuck with the tiny channel inside one industry that is so closed and so specific. And I don't really afraid about Steam and Porn TOS there from the beginning. I won't focus the porn mods because it's just mods and I can't just use the porn mods to do the marketing on mainstream sites, I need the actual game to be up there along with other indie quality projects on the mainstream sites. But then again, I won't explain much how the mods will work because the time will tell."

" You will have to install the adult mods on itch. The game is now heading toward something like Skyrim and Fallout. The game is leaving Patreon and is heading to Steam. The game is no longer smut but still nsfw. The mods development and game development are separated and my purpose is to get the game to be actually playable from start to finish. Mod creators could be anyone, not just me. Adult mods or any mods are not essential to the goal of the game and focusing on those are getting the game development to nowhere. Hence it would become milking if I'll still stick around Patreon. The adult mods can come later because making the game 100% playable is what that's matter. "

Welp

One has to wonder then, why the fuck did it start as a porn game, or why did it even have porn content to begin with

dont worry! alket and tomwhoever will leave wonderful comments defending him! dont worry! hes the best dev ever! dont worry! just keep sending money and say nice things and in 10 years, he will finally release a porn game!

/s

 

[s2insider]

Here we go again, another game following the same path as Fallen Doll: Operation Lovecraft
He said welcome to the game development world where AAA game took 5 to 10 years to finish.
In the same time we got Japanese releasing indie NSFW games yearly that plays better than so called "AAA" he mentioned.

 

[JUDAEL]

I think Matty is South Korean iirc

Thx for pointing it out..so i can ignore the thread..
not bcs hes korean..but cos nothing "good" will happen for this game.
Steam is full of Asian fakeR18 clickbait games.
They should ban mosts asians devs from using the sexual content tag

 

[CanaHabePussyPls?]

Neither, it will be a sequel. Completely different genre, like colony-sim or RTS with isometric perspective, open for funding on Patreon. Just like the game before... And the game before the game that was before... Ehhh, this multiverse of corrupted hard drives makes my head spin.
But honestly, considering the track record of a dev, who didn't finish a single game he started due to "mysterious circumstances", I'm surprised people took the bait of another "AAA" level game that is destined to A: Be a milking cow; B: Become abandoned the moment people stop paying for it :/

The last game ProjectElimination was a side scroller that looked and played very well, the H component worked great, but he broke the disk and cancelled it, very much in vain