VN Ren'Py Project Myriam - Life and Explorations [Ch. 5.07a+p] [Zorlun]

[Chevy2ss]

So I need you to do something here for me: think about what you just said, specifically "'I'm sick of fucking abusive exploitative men, let's be happy, forceful (dominant), and brimming over with willpower' playthrough." Now think about where she is coming from.

In chapter 4 she is literally just getting done with the abusive exploitative man in her life, we can easily see Anthony is a piece of shit from basically his first line of dialogue, but Myriam hasn't seen that yet. Myriam hasn't even discovered she might have a thing for women yet, you can think that she does, because you're proscribing a back story to her. Myriam isn't a blank slate though, she is an actual character and has to discover these things about herself, and we as the player get to decide how she discovers these things.

So with that being said, there is lesbian content, it's coming for you, but Myriam starts the story as a sexually conservative straight woman. Help her discover she likes women, and you can craft her into the exact person you described in your post. But it will take time, because she is broken after her time with Anthoney and needs to find herself again.

That's right lesbian relationships are not abusive no dominant partner fisting dildos or ntr in their relationships

 

[Hungover00]

So with that being said, there is lesbian content, it's coming for you, but Myriam starts the story as a sexually conservative straight woman. Help her discover she likes women, and you can craft her into the exact person you described in your post. But it will take time, because she is broken after her time with Anthoney and needs to find herself again.

Oh, I got there already, Lucy seems relatively awesome, some reservations about Nubia (she seems like one that may break pre-set boundaries, but maybe not). And I know/agree that Myriam isn't a blank slate character, which is part of why I could play through 2-3 chapters of her life changing and let a lot of those things slide off. But even if she wasn't awakening lesbian urges, a woman with 5+ sexual assaults/rapes by men against her after moving to this town, maybe she'd prefer a woman masseuse in general, and ones that stopped trying to upsell happy endings when it's beyond the bracelet she's signed up for.

And just as an aside, these are nitpicks, not deal breakers. The game is very well made (completed the game on that 1st path), I'm interested on how other playthroughs go with different qualities emphasised. It's just pet peeves of mine that I pointed out.

 

[Blurpee69]

a woman with 5+ sexual assaults/rapes by men against her after moving to this town, maybe she'd prefer a woman masseuse in general, and ones that stopped trying to upsell happy endings when it's beyond the bracelet she's signed up for.

Sorry, I didn't catch that was the point you were trying to make. And yeah, that's a fair point and a valid criticism.

 

[Hungover00]

Sorry, I didn't catch that was the point you were trying to make. And yeah, that's a fair point and a valid criticism.

Yeah, it's not a deal breaker for me, but these games tend to lean into the corruption, even without player agency. The amount of times I wanted Mi to call Marc on his roving hands, or other relatively little things, but wasn't given the option, seemed slightly frustrating after I'd on other occasions established some pretty clear boundaries.

Even taking basically every chance not to be exhibitionist, it was still +9 by the end of the playthrough. Proud that her willpower and happiness were both over 50, sadness -27, dominance 32, but exhibitionist and dirtiness (17) seem harder to avoid.

Excited to see the next steps though. But it's weird when my Myriam chooses to change behind a screen for the photoshoot, and then later is naked in front of two strangers and there was no choice about it. I do get that there are built in character aspects for Myriam, and letting others push her around is one of them while being confident in her body is another, and combined things can get too far, but as you said earlier, she was pretty conservative and it took a lot for Evelyn to get her to any level of nudity. (and damn I wish there had been a third option with Eve at the spa to send away the guys wanking off, but that's nitpicking again)

 

[TomUK]

Yeah, it's not a deal breaker for me, but these games tend to lean into the corruption, even without player agency. The amount of times I wanted Mi to call Marc on his roving hands, or other relatively little things, but wasn't given the option, seemed slightly frustrating after I'd on other occasions established some pretty clear boundaries.

Even taking basically every chance not to be exhibitionist, it was still +9 by the end of the playthrough. Proud that her willpower and happiness were both over 50, sadness -27, dominance 32, but exhibitionist and dirtiness (17) seem harder to avoid.

Excited to see the next steps though. But it's weird when my Myriam chooses to change behind a screen for the photoshoot, and then later is naked in front of two strangers and there was no choice about it. I do get that there are built in character aspects for Myriam, and letting others push her around is one of them while being confident in her body is another, and combined things can get too far, but as you said earlier, she was pretty conservative and it took a lot for Evelyn to get her to any level of nudity. (and damn I wish there had been a third option with Eve at the spa to send away the guys wanking off, but that's nitpicking again)

Install the cheat mod and it'll show you what each option gives, or you could see what get raised every time you choose an option then just rollback if it's something you don't like.

 

[Hungover00]

Install the cheat mod and it'll show you what each option gives, or you could see what get raised every time you choose an option then just rollback if it's something you don't like.

Some of those happen in the middle of bigger scenes, no choice involved (or perhaps choices much further back). I already know/do the rollback thing, mostly correct about my first impulses, but sometimes it's hard to know if I'm on the same page as the dev what option matches my intention.

 

[ouch2020]

urges, a woman with 5+ sexual assaults/rapes by men against her after moving to this town, maybe she'd prefer a woman masseuse in general, and ones that stopped trying to upsell happy endings when it's beyond the bracelet she's signed up for.

Maybe.
But more in general if we are talking about sexuality, some of your considerations on the game and Myriam are like saying that every woman who get raped, assaulted, or maybe even just somehow molested would become at least latent, if not even explicitly, lesbian. Or like saying every man who had some emotional trauma related with women (and yes, it can happen) will automatically get a tendency towards more or less latent homosexuality.
Not saying it cannot happen, but it is far from being the rule.
It is true that depending on the situation, and what exactly happened, mistrust towards being men, in specific being in initimate situations, can not only exist but last for a very looong time (years), but that does not mean automatically that women that have been in that kind of situation will, e.g. stop having males as doctor.
Also not sure how you count the sexual assault/rapes - especially if you avoid any sexual activity except the one with Anthony (since you had mentioned the idea of going lesbian rooute), the only ones Myriam feels as sexual assault or rape without any helpful han appearing are really the ones with Anthony, and for those, she blames Anthony, not every man.
Actually, one of the complaints against Anthony she has is that he was keeping under control and jealous of other men, and she was faithful to him despite the way he treated her, so, celebrating her newfound freedom by doing exactly what he did not want her to do, would also not be strange.
Haven't developed well the argument, but I think it is enough to suggest why you should not assume that the fact Anthony was abusive would automatically mean she would stay away from all men, and even less, that she should become tendentially lesbian and have more lesbian adventure, especially if you consider that there is a break in time in the game between when she kicks out Anthony and when she really goes all out on her own, which means she can have recovered.

 

[Hungover00]

Maybe.
But more in general if we are talking about sexuality, some of your considerations on the game and Myriam are like saying that every woman who get raped, assaulted, or maybe even just somehow molested would become at least latent, if not even explicitly, lesbian. Or like saying every man who had some emotional trauma related with women (and yes, it can happen) will automatically get a tendency towards more or less latent homosexuality.
Not saying it cannot happen, but it is far from being the rule.

That's putting more into my words than I did. I never said every or at least. I wasn't talking about a rule. I said maybe and prefer. As in, with a choice based game, that could be one of the valid choices/routes that could exist.

The main thing I'd advocate for, if the dev was taking editorial notes, is that Myriam should have more consistency and more options to be gunshy around men after how many assaults she's suffered that are built into the main plot.

But your post is fighting a strawman of things I never said or asserted.

 

[Hungover00]

Also not sure how you count the sexual assault/rapes - especially if you avoid any sexual activity except the one with Anthony (since you had mentioned the idea of going lesbian rooute), the only ones Myriam feels as sexual assault or rape without any helpful han appearing are really the ones with Anthony, and for those, she blames Anthony, not every man.

Perhaps I hit more assaults than you did, but there was Antony (and his entire history), the motel creep on the way to the shower, the street kid in the changing room, the low-level Russian mob guy in the park, the Nubia groper who shifted to Myriam, and then so many different creepers and pervs. Plus Marc, but she either didn't know or played it off as innocent.

I think I could have avoided the street kid going too far by snitching on them to the cops, and I'm not sure if the Russian is dependent on kicking Antony out, but none of those situations were considerably high risk from context at the time.

 

[Zara Scarlet]

So I need you to do something here for me: think about what you just said, specifically "'I'm sick of fucking abusive exploitative men, let's be happy, forceful (dominant), and brimming over with willpower' playthrough." Now think about where she is coming from.

In chapter 4 she is literally just getting done with the abusive exploitative man in her life, we can easily see Anthony is a piece of shit from basically his first line of dialogue, but Myriam hasn't seen that yet. Myriam hasn't even discovered she might have a thing for women yet, you can think that she does, because you're proscribing a back story to her. Myriam isn't a blank slate though, she is an actual character and has to discover these things about herself, and we as the player get to decide how she discovers these things.

So with that being said, there is lesbian content, it's coming for you, but Myriam starts the story as a sexually conservative straight woman. Help her discover she likes women, and you can craft her into the exact person you described in your post. But it will take time, because she is broken after her time with Anthoney and needs to find herself again.

There's obviously going to be more lesbian content in the future. Nubia, Kimberly, Jennifer, Stella and Crystal will probably all get scenes, in addition to Evelyn and Lucy. Nubia will be pretty soon, because Myriam has already arranged to go on a date with her.

I disagree with you about her starting as a sexually conservative woman though. She was already addicted to anal sex when the game started, and had exceptional oral skills. So she was hardly inexperienced when it came to sex. She also had a sub/dom relationship with Anthony, which also involved the two of them making sex videos. Sexually conservative people don't do kinky stuff like that. What has happened in this game, is that she's started to explore more extreme sexual kinks, like incest, bestiality and gangbangs. The kind of things that only the most sexually liberal people indulge in

 

[Zoltan Redbeard]

Yeah, but for me Steam is very far off, it won't be for Project Myriam, too experimental I think.
If I do try, it'll be for the next one.

EDIT: And as said by some before, if you want to support but don't want to do it via a platform with too much censorship, you can always support on SubscribeStar.

I'm sorry to jump in the discussion like this, however, even if I don't know exactly what do you mean by "too experimental", seeing titles like Subverse, Elf Sex Farm, Queen's Brothel, My Breast Friend Sally, Third Crisis, Overgrown: Genesis, Claire's Quest, Cloud Meadow, Carnal Instinct, Wild Life, Eden's Ritter, Latex Dungeon, Sisterly Lust, My Hypnotized Family, Sex-Loving Family and many other on Steam make me think that Project Myriam could reasonably be published there too, as long as there aren't minor, or minor-like, characters and the setting doesn't involves schools below the college (and it doesn't seem to me that this is the case at all), the game should be fine. I mean, probably even Tentacular could be published on Steam without many problems for that matter

Anyhow, what I mean is that if it doesn't bother you too much, maybe it would be worth considering trying to publish Project Myriam on Steam anyway, maybe when it's finished
It's not guaranteed that the title will be accepted, but you can't know for sure without trying and, for what it's worth, other games already on the store would bode well anyway

 

[Zorlun]

I'm sorry to jump in the discussion like this, however, even if I don't know exactly what do you mean by "too experimental", seeing titles like Subverse, Elf Sex Farm, Queen's Brothel, My Breast Friend Sally, Third Crisis, Overgrown: Genesis, Claire's Quest, Cloud Meadow, Carnal Instinct, Wild Life, Eden's Ritter, Latex Dungeon, Sisterly Lust, My Hypnotized Family, Sex-Loving Family and many other on Steam make me think that Project Myriam could reasonably be published there too, as long as there aren't minor, or minor-like, characters and the setting doesn't involves schools below the college (and it doesn't seem to me that this is the case at all), the game should be fine. I mean, probably even Tentacular could be published on Steam without many problems for that matter

Anyhow, what I mean is that if it doesn't bother you too much, maybe it would be worth considering trying to publish Project Myriam on Steam anyway, maybe when it's finished
It's not guaranteed that the title will be accepted, but you can't know for sure without trying and, for what it's worth, other games already on the store would bode well anyway

When I say experimental I mean it's my first game and I experimented a lot on every front as I made the game and learned on the road (and still learning), on the use of DAZ, Renpy, but also the writing and construction of the game.
This is why I'm not comfortable putting it on Steam for now, too much things I have trouble with looking back. ^^
Also, I'm not sure, but I think that Steam has some taboo content like Patreon, though don't quote me on this.
But thank you for the support, I hope the next one will be good to go for Steam.

 

[Zoltan Redbeard]

When I say experimental I mean it's my first game and I experimented a lot on every front as I made the game and learned on the road (and still learning), on the use of DAZ, Renpy, but also the writing and construction of the game.
This is why I'm not comfortable putting it on Steam for now, too much things I have trouble with looking back. ^^
Also, I'm not sure, but I think that Steam has some taboo content like Patreon, though don't quote me on this.
But thank you for the support, I hope the next one will be good to go for Steam.

Ah, ok, now it's clear what's experimental was about

Outside of copyrighted materials, obviously, the biggest true and real taboo content on Steam seems to be about minors, or minors-like characters, even if not directly stated, but only hinted at from the context (or if the age is choosen by the player at the beginning, this also won't go), like lower grade schools than colleges and so on, for example, otherwise, the titles that I mentioned before feature things like bestiality, incest, prostitution, sleep sex, hypnosis, drugging, futanari, tentacles and other hentai-like things, even borderline rape (even all the titles from Miel are on Steam, and all of them are pratically about some sort of rape mixed with watersports ) and are all on the store.
This doesn't mean that is a free pass for the game on Steam, but those are precedents that give hope

Thank you very much for answering

 

[Zorlun]

Ah, ok, now it's clear what's experimental was about

Outside of copyrighted materials, obviously, the biggest true and real taboo content on Steam seems to be about minors, or minors-like characters, even if not directly stated, but only hinted at from the context (or if the age is choosen by the player at the beginning, this also won't go), like lower grade schools than colleges and so on, for example, otherwise, the titles that I mentioned before feature things like bestiality, incest, prostitution, sleep sex, hypnosis, drugging, futanari, tentacles and other hentai-like things, even borderline rape (even all the titles from Miel are on Steam, and all of them are pratically about some sort of rape mixed with watersports ) and are all on the store.
This doesn't mean that is a free pass for the game on Steam, but those are precedents that give hope

Thank you very much for answering

You're welcome, I don't see why I wouldn't. ^^

I also looked at your linked guidelines in signature for sharing adult games on Steam, I'll have to think the next games having all this in mind.

 

[Zoltan Redbeard]

You're welcome, I don't see why I wouldn't. ^^

I also looked at your linked guidelines in signature for sharing adult games on Steam, I'll have to think the next games having all this in mind.

Oh, sorry, but I completely forgotten about another thing with which Steam is not okay at all, and that is that no real people are allowed to appear in a porn game in any form, apparently, so even if they don't get involved in any sexual act, it's better to not have any real photo or TV footage of real people in the game.
On the other hand, pregnancy and birth are fine too

 

[wataru69]

anyone have the compress for PC ver.

 

[xapican]

anyone have the (c)ompress for PC ver.

Yes, ! it is posted a few pages before.

 

[wataru69]

Yes, ! it is posted a few pages before.

its for android

 

[xapican]

its for android

If you be so kind and use the foreseen "search function" next time , just click on the image and you get there,
I don't even play on android.
enjoy!

Spoiler: Edit: you asked for PC version in your first post.

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[ouch2020]

Perhaps I hit more assaults than you did, but there was Antony (and his entire history), the motel creep on the way to the shower, the street kid in the changing room, the low-level Russian mob guy in the park, the Nubia groper who shifted to Myriam, and then so many different creepers and pervs. Plus Marc, but she either didn't know or played it off as innocent.

I see, but it seems you are mixing things that are before and after she got over the Anthony thing, and you are considering as assault something that is not for her (street kid) as clearly indicated in the game and by Zorlun.
The Russian mobster I remember she could avoid (no link with Anthony). The episode on the Motel if I remember well could also be avoided, and more importantly, if from one side put her in contact with the old guy (definitively a creep and tentative rapist), also with Dum Dum, the big nice fellow (so, a positive image of a man, not the brightest, but sweet and reminding her of her brother).

It is up to you to choose whether your Myriam is wary of, or avoids potential "situations" with, men, Zorlun has made the game on purpose so people can a bit customise Myriam and choose how she interacts with people and situations, but definitively, you should not try to push for it for everybody and every possible variation of Myriam and her story.

E.g. for players who kicked out Anthony ASAP, had her refusing guys and sex opportunities and/or get control in them, learn to fight, report the Russian mobster to the police and identify him, "scamble eggs" in the alley, examples of actions that actually can make her feel stronger, she definitively has no reason to be wary of men, because she may feel strong enough to face anything.
Don't forget the game has a number of "holes in time" that can allow Myriam to get over many things.

But let's cut going around it (from my side, not yours) - your original argument was about what a real woman would probably do, thus your suggestion to Zorlun that would be normal that Myriam becomes more wary of men.
All the big text from me, even here, was because I preferred to avoid referring to reality directly.

It depends from a lot of factors, as well as (but not only) from the time past, if and how much a woman will be weary of all men, or not, after having had what can certainly be classified as traumatic experiences for them.

I knew personally women who had problems of a certain type, although in different contexts, situations and ages, so just two examples.

One was actually very freely in contact with guys, and relatively liberal about about a certain type of behaviour/activitiess, she had developed another kind of problem, but if anything, she was the opposite of shying away from guys, she was looking for attention and acceptance, even in a certain way, although for reasons I am not going to detail, was obvious she had not really got over the past situation.

Another one, despite not having got really past the situation for various reasons (and remember in the game is indicated Myriam did), did not have any problem or fear of interacting with men, it was only in certain intimate situations with someone she really liked that she could be instinctively uneasy.

Let's just continue to enjoy the game as a game, even if Zorlun has made a lot of efforts to create in his mind a backstory for the main characters, and to give us the possibilty to make choices for them.