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Don't worry, 02 isn't that good so you're really not missing much either way.
Collection VN Others Rance Series [Ch. 1-2 Remastered, Ch. 1-7 + Kichikuou] [AliceSoft]
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KaiKai only exists because the original Kai was mostly a butchering of the original script filled with memes and errors. The solution would be to just play base 02 or 2 itself and to consider 02 Kai as more of a separate thing instead of just "the latest version"
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A global summary and missing patches + up to date explanations of versions of rance series to help people have a better experience of 'canon'/'intended' story:
1) Rance 01 - a remake of rance 1, just download the version in this thread, all perfect, nothing extra required for full experience.
Original 1 is not worth it.
2) Rance 02 - you have 2 choices:
Playing regular OR kai version(or technically both)
Regular is purely graphical edit from default game.
Kai is a 'revision' of both gameplay and lore to suit the new 'canon' storyline of rance VI - Rance X.
Basically you want to play Kai if you are in for the long run. Playing both is not worth the time IMO.
Kai version is not perfect and there is a better KaiKai version but it's not translated into english during the time of this post.
If you want to play Kai Version in the best way possible:
Download Kai version from thread AND then download this tiny fan patch to fix some of the official english kai bugs - simply replace the file in the game folder basically.
3) Rance 03 - remake of rance 3.
Download the base game AND patch, both in the main thread. Apply the patch and you are good to go.
Original 3 is not worth it.
4) Rance 4 - Rance 4 is the most outdated/'poorly aged' Rance game by default due to existance of remakes for 1-3.
This likely will never really change since the studio is essentially no more without TADA(the main head behind the entire series).
HOWEVER there is a 'better version' of the game, a 'TADA revision' of sorts which fixes a lot of things, adds some QoL and grind reduction which heavily improves the game.
Since it would take too long to explain the entire installation process - I did them all for you and combined them together:
This is the final english version of TADA revision of Rance 4:
Rance 4.1+4.2 - those are still as outdated as the original but those are very short games, roughly 2-4 hours each, following guide would make this really fast basically, going blindly is extending this roughly twice as there is a lot of optional choices that do nothing.
Most new characters don't have any major role in the future Rance storyline BUT the games themseleves are 'canon' and 'direct continuations' of 4.
If you want to play those on modern systems - you need to download them from my links - my links are latest prepatched versions(2.0) for those:
Rance 4.1:
Rance 4.2:
5) Rance 5D - a tiny annoying RNG roulette game, among worst in the series, but luckily super short, only slightly longer than 4.1 and 4.2 combined.
Nothing special required - simply install and play.
6) Rance 6 - this is where rance games are starting to become some of the best in the H industry, a fact that will likely never ever change considering that mobile gacha industry is just so much more profitable than trying to make a good game.
This one had quite a few fan patches.
Last one is based on the final 'TADA Revision' of the game. To be exact final english fan patch based on that revision.
The revision itself is mostly just like the rance 4 one - a grind reduction.
All you need to do is download the original game from this thread and then apply this patch:
7) Sengoku Rance(Rance 7) - most popular rance game in english community and one of the best ones.
Majority of people played with fan translation originally but the new mangagamer one is outright better.
Just download the game + 1.07 patch, those are all latest, nothing extra required.
Apply the patch and you are good to go.
Three for Slash! Thrust! Burn! is ultra tiny extra game focused on 3 girls from Sengoku Rance - Kanami, Senhime and Suzume.
If you download this from the main link in this thread - you should have english patch called 'sanbikiga_en_v1'.
Try to use said patch. If you are not on japanese locale then it might fail.
If you still have issues patching even on JP locale then use the following link for a 'manual' replacement of required files.
If you have issues actually running the game - I recommend using 'locale emulator' software. Find it on google and install it. After that you just right click any game which requires JP locale and tell it to 'run with JP locale(admin)'
8) Rance Quest Magnum(Rance 8) - download the game and the 'Fix' linked. Apply the fix for your game to become 1.002 and you are up to date.
English version uses the latest 'Magnum' version which is basically the version with all fixes/revisions.
9) Rance 9 - latest version is 1.02 and that's already installed in this thread:
https://f95zone.to/threads/rance-ix-the-helmanian-revolution-v1-02-alicesoft.149754/
10) Rance 10 - still being translated as of my latest post edit. If I won't forget about the post - I will add it here.
If anyone notices some issue with the links or process - notify me and I will edit it out!
11) Kichikuou Rance - I was wondering where to put this but decided the best way is to put it near the end rather than putting it according to it's release date.
A highly simplified TLDR would be that this game is a very old version of Rance X.
But if you want details:
Kichikuou Rance is basically an 'old canon' Finale of the game back when company was having financial troubles and decided to use up all their preplanned lore in a single game.
This resulted in a massive scale game that was so much ahead of time that it's perfectly playable even now, almost 30 years past it's release date as of me writing this.
This along with their 'territory conquer' gameplay ended up becoming a huge success, allowing the company to create another successful 'Dai' series of games and eventually expand the Rance series in the way they originally wanted(Rance 6-10 and later 01-03, which is called the 'new canon')
Starting with this game - all the next games became relatively darker/more serious in their tone with less of the silly humor(which is still present, but earlier games were harder to take seriously due to all the silly jokes)
My personal opinion is that the best time to play this game is after finishing 01-03 and 4-10.
While game released after 4.2 - it would spoil almost everything that's going to happen in 6-10. Some details will change, but yet again it's 'details' - the 'core' of the story will be spoiled to you entirely.
Obviously as you might have understood - playing it is essentially fully optional. It won't reveal anything new, it's just a great old game that you might enjoy if you enjoyed the Rance series..
You might want to take a break after Rance 10 before going into this one however as they are too similar and despite Kichikuou being a considerably shorter game - it's still pretty long.
That being said there is also an option of playing it after Rance 4.2.
That would allow you to understand a few 'references' that you would have seen in Kichikuou before they are explained in the main canon. You would just have to always keep in mind that some things change quite a bit the entire time you are playing 6-10 and that's why it's called 'new canon'.
You might have seen a few silly references as well in 01-03 where they emphasize 'Brutal King' Rance quite a bit - that's the direct translation of Kichikuou.
Decide yourself which order you want to play based on the above.
As for the game files themselves - they are all up to date in the listed topic, so just download it there, nothing extra is required.
1) Rance 01 - a remake of rance 1, just download the version in this thread, all perfect, nothing extra required for full experience.
Original 1 is not worth it.
2) Rance 02 - you have 2 choices:
Playing regular OR kai version(or technically both)
Regular is purely graphical edit from default game.
Kai is a 'revision' of both gameplay and lore to suit the new 'canon' storyline of rance VI - Rance X.
Basically you want to play Kai if you are in for the long run. Playing both is not worth the time IMO.
Kai version is not perfect and there is a better KaiKai version but it's not translated into english during the time of this post.
If you want to play Kai Version in the best way possible:
Download Kai version from thread AND then download this tiny fan patch to fix some of the official english kai bugs - simply replace the file in the game folder basically.
You must be registered to see the links
3) Rance 03 - remake of rance 3.
Download the base game AND patch, both in the main thread. Apply the patch and you are good to go.
Original 3 is not worth it.
4) Rance 4 - Rance 4 is the most outdated/'poorly aged' Rance game by default due to existance of remakes for 1-3.
This likely will never really change since the studio is essentially no more without TADA(the main head behind the entire series).
HOWEVER there is a 'better version' of the game, a 'TADA revision' of sorts which fixes a lot of things, adds some QoL and grind reduction which heavily improves the game.
Since it would take too long to explain the entire installation process - I did them all for you and combined them together:
This is the final english version of TADA revision of Rance 4:
You must be registered to see the links
Rance 4.1+4.2 - those are still as outdated as the original but those are very short games, roughly 2-4 hours each, following guide would make this really fast basically, going blindly is extending this roughly twice as there is a lot of optional choices that do nothing.
Most new characters don't have any major role in the future Rance storyline BUT the games themseleves are 'canon' and 'direct continuations' of 4.
If you want to play those on modern systems - you need to download them from my links - my links are latest prepatched versions(2.0) for those:
Rance 4.1:
You must be registered to see the links
Rance 4.2:
You must be registered to see the links
5) Rance 5D - a tiny annoying RNG roulette game, among worst in the series, but luckily super short, only slightly longer than 4.1 and 4.2 combined.
Nothing special required - simply install and play.
6) Rance 6 - this is where rance games are starting to become some of the best in the H industry, a fact that will likely never ever change considering that mobile gacha industry is just so much more profitable than trying to make a good game.
This one had quite a few fan patches.
Last one is based on the final 'TADA Revision' of the game. To be exact final english fan patch based on that revision.
The revision itself is mostly just like the rance 4 one - a grind reduction.
All you need to do is download the original game from this thread and then apply this patch:
You must be registered to see the links
7) Sengoku Rance(Rance 7) - most popular rance game in english community and one of the best ones.
Majority of people played with fan translation originally but the new mangagamer one is outright better.
Just download the game + 1.07 patch, those are all latest, nothing extra required.
Apply the patch and you are good to go.
Three for Slash! Thrust! Burn! is ultra tiny extra game focused on 3 girls from Sengoku Rance - Kanami, Senhime and Suzume.
If you download this from the main link in this thread - you should have english patch called 'sanbikiga_en_v1'.
Try to use said patch. If you are not on japanese locale then it might fail.
If you still have issues patching even on JP locale then use the following link for a 'manual' replacement of required files.
You must be registered to see the links
If you have issues actually running the game - I recommend using 'locale emulator' software. Find it on google and install it. After that you just right click any game which requires JP locale and tell it to 'run with JP locale(admin)'
8) Rance Quest Magnum(Rance 8) - download the game and the 'Fix' linked. Apply the fix for your game to become 1.002 and you are up to date.
English version uses the latest 'Magnum' version which is basically the version with all fixes/revisions.
9) Rance 9 - latest version is 1.02 and that's already installed in this thread:
https://f95zone.to/threads/rance-ix-the-helmanian-revolution-v1-02-alicesoft.149754/
10) Rance 10 - still being translated as of my latest post edit. If I won't forget about the post - I will add it here.
If anyone notices some issue with the links or process - notify me and I will edit it out!
11) Kichikuou Rance - I was wondering where to put this but decided the best way is to put it near the end rather than putting it according to it's release date.
A highly simplified TLDR would be that this game is a very old version of Rance X.
But if you want details:
Kichikuou Rance is basically an 'old canon' Finale of the game back when company was having financial troubles and decided to use up all their preplanned lore in a single game.
This resulted in a massive scale game that was so much ahead of time that it's perfectly playable even now, almost 30 years past it's release date as of me writing this.
This along with their 'territory conquer' gameplay ended up becoming a huge success, allowing the company to create another successful 'Dai' series of games and eventually expand the Rance series in the way they originally wanted(Rance 6-10 and later 01-03, which is called the 'new canon')
Starting with this game - all the next games became relatively darker/more serious in their tone with less of the silly humor(which is still present, but earlier games were harder to take seriously due to all the silly jokes)
My personal opinion is that the best time to play this game is after finishing 01-03 and 4-10.
While game released after 4.2 - it would spoil almost everything that's going to happen in 6-10. Some details will change, but yet again it's 'details' - the 'core' of the story will be spoiled to you entirely.
Obviously as you might have understood - playing it is essentially fully optional. It won't reveal anything new, it's just a great old game that you might enjoy if you enjoyed the Rance series..
You might want to take a break after Rance 10 before going into this one however as they are too similar and despite Kichikuou being a considerably shorter game - it's still pretty long.
That being said there is also an option of playing it after Rance 4.2.
That would allow you to understand a few 'references' that you would have seen in Kichikuou before they are explained in the main canon. You would just have to always keep in mind that some things change quite a bit the entire time you are playing 6-10 and that's why it's called 'new canon'.
You might have seen a few silly references as well in 01-03 where they emphasize 'Brutal King' Rance quite a bit - that's the direct translation of Kichikuou.
Decide yourself which order you want to play based on the above.
As for the game files themselves - they are all up to date in the listed topic, so just download it there, nothing extra is required.
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Umbra.Nox
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To help Sengoku Rance fans, more like. What the hell man, that disrespect on Rance III
is uncalled for... I still remember Noce and Gele fights well, and many themes from this game are great. New Canon propaganda is real.
Hentaicheg
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They all aged poorly. It's fine for a few older player nostalgia, but replaying them is pointless as they are:
1) Not considered canon anyway.
2) Won't interest 99% of the new players.
Won't interest 90% of the old players.
That is vast majority. If you know they will interest you - that's another story, but that means you know what you are doing/seeking.
Heck, before 01-02 existed I would never ever recommend anything other than 'digest' recap in the modern age.
03 is literally near identical copy with most major changes being a voiceover addition(approved to be a positive addition by ~95% of the JP audience), updated art(strictly positive, there is no way to argue), improved/modernized gameplay(almost strictly positive), modernized system compatibility(strictly positive), bug/balance fixes(strictly positives), extra scenarios + minor changes to suit new canon(can be argued but highly positively acclaimed by ~90% of JP audience)
Surprised you complain about 03 when it probably edited the original scenario the least out of all official remakes.
Even now recommending 4 with latest TADA revision + fan patch fixes is a hard sell. Albeit I would also agree that if I had to only choose about modernizing 3 or 4 - I would probably go for 4, but it is what it is.
5D was always kinda among the worst, nothing really changed across the time, but I always considered it a semi side game that took place of 5th. A fun little experiment at best.
It's fine to 'like' something, but to call something 'propaganda' when it goes against your minority vision is just absurd.
Umbra.Nox
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That's some wild claims about statistics for "non-propaganda", especially about "updated art(strictly positive, there is no way to argue)". Kinda similar to saying Demon Souls Remake is a near identical copy of original, and strictly superior to it. Maybe there truly is a Sengoku Rance gang that's set on trying to erase any past Rance games from the history...
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Yes.
There is no need for additional comments on this topic.
Just keep in mind that Kichikuou Rance is the final game in the old timeline.
lamba
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Kichikuou Rance is a fun side show.
Although it does take some getting used to, and it's non-canon, a lot of the ideas it presents get recycled in the 'new' continuity.
Someone who doesn't appreciate the value of the original titles as historical objects that trace the history of Alicesoft to the end of the PC98 era probably isn't going to understand their value as a time capsule. Or art. Which is fine, but you probably shouldn't pitch a fit when people point that out. Yeah, the remakes are great. And the old games have their own value.
Of course I still strictly recommend the remakes over the originals and only recommend revisiting the originals after the fact.
Yeah, I'm starting to see a trend here. If you're trying to be informative you should also restrict your opinions. You'll notice the original post for this thread doesn't tell you what games in the series they like or dislike.
You're explicitly supposed to figure out how to install the patch yourself. TADA doesn't want his patch being distributed outside his personal channels.
BooDoof
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While I do love TADA and appreciate the sentiment, this IS a pirate site my man. Complaining that devs don't want their stuff posted here is pretty ironic.
SymbolicSalad
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I still haven't gotten around to playing 03 but I'm going to replay 3 first and I sure hope it's as good as this person makes it sound, 3 was easily one of the best games in the series and the SRPG combat was really fun (though 4 was better in the SRPG area but worse overall). I know it's different to 01 but using the terrible gameplay of 01 as a base does NOT feel like it's going to go well.That's some wild claims about statistics for "non-propaganda", especially about "updated art(strictly positive, there is no way to argue)". Kinda similar to saying Demon Souls Remake is a near identical copy of original, and strictly superior to it. Maybe there truly is a Sengoku Rance gang that's set on trying to erase any past Rance games from the history...
lamba
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That's not actually what's at issue here.
TADA doesn't want his patched version of the game completely replacing the original, for the precise reason that he doesn't want the original to be held up as the inherently inferior version that can be completely ignored and forgotten.
You can direct people to his patch, just don't apply the patch and distribute the patched version. Rance 4 is already freeware!
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Yet again... This is a piracy website, if you feel like you're pirating anything, feel free to leave.
Nobody here cares enough to listen to the whining, I bet you pirated dozens of games from here without even thinking for a second how it impacts the dev.
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I do understand where you're coming from, and I believe that keeping the original around in some form has merit. But at the end of the day, development only ends when the developer ends it, not necessarily because that's where the end of development should have been. I think the most user-friendly version should win out for distribution, if only for the reason that getting people to try older games to begin with is difficult and the process should be smoothed somewhat instead of having to hunt down patches or deal with supremely outdated grind mechanics.
The grind in the Rance games can be atrocious; that's part of the reason why Sengoku is so evergreen. It's the best in the series and has no issues with grind whatsoever. VI and Quest, despite being the other best games in the series, were so, so heavily grindy without patches. VI's patch is made post-facto, while Quest's came with Magnum. VI's patch improves the game to such a degree that it, without a doubt, is the definitive version of the game, and I couldn't imagine playing Quest without the Magnum improvements either.
While I'm not familiar with the IV changes, if the above characterization of them is correct in that it reduces grind and adds in QoL features, then I see no reason not to make it the definitive version that's distributed. TADA might feel sentimental about the original game and want people to experience it, but people already have. The Rance series is tremendously popular and has brought joy to countless people over the years.
There's a piece of writing advice called "kill your darlings." It, in essence, means that, no matter how much you're attached to a scene, or a character, or a line of dialogue, if it doesn't serve the purpose of your work, get rid of it. Cut and slash what doesn't work, no matter your personal feelings, and what's left will be much improved.
Your perspective is still valid, but I just disagree that TADA's methods are the correct way to go about things. His sentimentality otherwise risks people turning away from an otherwise pretty good game.
lamba
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....We're talking about a freeware game. At no point did I shame anyone for pirating a game. The developer made the modest request that while downloading his free game that you not apply his QOL patch he also made and distributes and then offer the patched version over the original.
That's it. It is funny that the barest of expectations- reading instructions, god forbid- makes some people mald, though.
Hentaicheg
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When did I say I do not appreciate the value of original titles?
That's your invalid interpretation and falsifying facts to work in your favor(for what reason? I don't know).
One should never mistake historical worth of the game with worth of playing through a game.
I only mentioned they aren't worth playing in modern era.
If you have time to replay essentially the same game with minor changes beyond modernization TWICE instead of doing something more productive then trust me - it's a 'you' thing, not a majority thing.
I did play originals of 3 and 4 in ~2007 or 8(I only remember that it was roughly 3 years before Daiteikoku) and even back then they felt somewhat disappointing compared to the better alicesoft titles like Kichikuou, Rance 6, Daiakuji, Daibanchou, Sengoku.
3 played important role in the creation of the core direction of the studio, but that's all in the past.
Now they are all just badly aged games(1-4)
Calling 3 or 4 a good 'RPG' by modern standards is just a huge lie even with heavy nostalgia factor taken into account. They are a bug riddled(unless you apply fan or TADA patches) mess with relatively barebones tactic gameplay that is pretty grindy/slow and wasn't top tier even during the period of time when game was created.
Calling them a worthy parent story is the correct way to talk about them in a positive tone.
Albeit the true 'saving grace' both financially and quality wise was Kichikuou for sure. And it took the series into entirely another direction.
Rance 3 did have a big value long term - it was the first attempt to change series direction from small mostly 'adventure' style games into actual semblance of RPGs.
Rance 3 was an experiment into tactical genre subbranch. It was decent for an experiment but even back in the age it was just 'good' at best and it wasn't really original. It was nowhere near Shining Force 2 which is roughly same age. And I won't even talk about comparisons to slightly older Tactics Ogre.
Due to lack of complexity - the battles felt longer mechanically than they could be while not being as fun as the actual tactic games focusing on more complex mechanics and in depth combat.
Rance 4 continued the tactical experimentation. They didn't really learn much from mistakes made in 3 though. It was still the same overly grindy and overly slow mess.
The biggest value I think the studio got from those games is that they understood they need to try something differently. Which they did with their highly successful 'territory conquest' idea that came with Kichikuou which remained their most successful subgenre to date(and now likely forever considering that TADA fully quit and even Evenicle seems to have been abandoned). And the future ideas of Rance 6/Quest into simplifying the barebones tactics mechanic into a DRPG direction which plays much faster without pointless actions that are mostly there to waste time.
I personally got nothing against tactics genre - it's just that Alicesoft didn't have much talent in it compared to say what Eushully managed to achieve later on. IMO when choosing between a barebones tactics game and a decent DRPG - a decent DRPG is better even if you are a fan of tactics genre.
As for my Rance 5D hate - it's mostly coming from the fact that it remained the only '5' game in the series despite being essentially a side game.. and one of the worst ones at that considering how it's just an annoying RNG simulator.
D in 5D stands for '4th attempt' at making the game. The original vision for 'real' 5th game was something similar to Rance 6 but according to TADA they kept ending up scrapping all ideas/attempts halfway.
5D ended up being a 'silly experimental project' by design just to finally get past that fifth game hurdle.
Originally Kichikuou was the true 'Rance 5' and if it was not for the overwhelming success it got - it could also have been the last one in the series.
Pre 1995 alicesoft games were generally very restricted in what they could do and even launching their original form can be an issue on modern systems without a lot of effort. Effort that in case of most of those games is not required now due to enthusiasts who made it possible to make those work with considerably less effort.
As far as alicesoft games go - kichikuou and daiakuji are probably oldest titles that still feels complex enough to still be fun even in modern age. Everything older will feel too 'basic' and hence won't have much value beyond the lore for a new player simply trying to enjoy the series.
1995+ alicesoft is also better known for more of the 'dark tone' and less of the 'silly humor' compared to older titles. And that was the correct direction IMO. As JP silly humor is for the most part just cringe garbage, especially when overused.
Kichikuou is essentially an old version of Rance 10(back in the years when there were only 4 rance games) that was the last resort of the studio to use up all their planned ideas for the universe into one huge game.
Only thanks to financial success of Kichikuou(and later Dai series based on core ideas from this game) we now have the Rance Series in it's entirety.
Kichikuou in modern times is something I would play AFTER playing through modern canon Rance storyline(01-10) and only in scenario where you still want more Rance games.
It's totally worth playing even in modern times as it aged decently, but the worth of it for each person would be very much varied.
Kichikuou will spoil too much and would make you confused about 'why X is not Y' if you play it earlier than beating the entire Rance Series(or at least Rance 9)
While the 'general direction' remained unchanged - loads of nuances/details were added/changed with rance 6-10.
And the problem with playing it after 10 is how long both of those games are and how 'generally' similar they are.
By time you 100% the Rance 10 - you will likely want to take a break from Rance series and Kichikuou is most likely not something you will be interested in for at least a year or 2.
There's nothing to talk about as long as the original games are censored. Mosaics = no buy/play.
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The uncensoring in the new games looks really bad honestly, especially in 8 and 9, I know Rance was cursed in 8 but why is his dick turning black and wilting It's the same in 9.
lamba
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Due to the fun, fun world of Japanese obscenity laws de-censoring is typically done by a third party who can't in any way be traced back to the original artist.
Said third parties may be doing it for the love of the game but usually it's someone who's not exactly an artist, and is doing it on a tight budget and time table. And saying, "No, no, you don't understand, I need to make Rance's dick a work of art!" to your boss is probably going to not go over very well.
Because of a certain incident in VI where his dick almost met his end nearing the end of the game.