VN Ren'Py Ravager [v5.1.9] [4MinuteWarning]

[HandtoGlandCombat]

Thank you for that academic debate on vore.

 

[harem.king]

That's a renpy game, dude. You can rollback at any time. And for the best ending (which you want) you have to work a little. Or play on power fantasy difficulty.

Yes, you can reload and use rollback to make mapping easier.
Although rollback is limited on how far back you can rollback. you need to reload instead, although within a choice occasionally rollback can help you map the sub option faster.
You can freely reload as many times as you want to map out the whole game though so this is academic.

But rollback does not magically poof away the problem.
The issue remains that this is a game that requires you to completely map it out, writing down every single possible gain for every single option in every single encounter. As well as the requirements for each subchoice in each such encounter.

Then once you have collected all that data, bust open a spreadsheet and path a perfect route through it.
The perfect route still includes you failing some things, just have to be failing unimportant things.
That is if Decathet was even being fully honest in his claims about he was able to path a perfect route that required zero waifu sacrifice (vore or sharing) and only failed checks that "don't matter"

Realistically though a new player won't map every single option and then bust out the spreadsheet.
You will start mapping it out and then the vast majority either look up the walkthrough and/or enable godmode instead.
I dare say I probably did more work mapping then most people in this thread before finally giving up as it was an utter waste of my time.

Therefore I am confident in saying this is a game that heavily depends on a walkthrough.
There should be a setting between godmode and hellmode. A normal mode if you would. Where most people could reasonably triumph without having to use a walkthrough / write their own walkthrough.

 

[YouShallNotLol]

Yes, you can reload and use rollback to make mapping easier.
Although rollback is limited on how far back you can rollback. you need to reload instead, although within a choice occasionally rollback can help you map the sub option faster.
You can freely reload as many times as you want to map out the whole game though so this is academic.

But rollback does not magically poof away the problem.
The issue remains that this is a game that requires you to completely map it out, writing down every single possible gain for every single option in every single encounter. As well as the requirements for each subchoice in each such encounter.

Then once you have collected all that data, bust open a spreadsheet and path a perfect route through it.
The perfect route still includes you failing some things, just have to be failing unimportant things.
That is if Decathet was even being fully honest in his claims about he was able to path a perfect route that required zero waifu sacrifice (vore or sharing) and only failed checks that "don't matter"

Realistically though a new player won't map every single option and then bust out the spreadsheet.
You will start mapping it out and then the vast majority either look up the walkthrough and/or enable godmode instead.
I dare say I probably did more work mapping then most people in this thread before finally giving up as it was an utter waste of my time.

Therefore I am confident in saying this is a game that heavily depends on a walkthrough.
There should be a setting between godmode and hellmode. A normal mode if you would. Where most people could reasonably triumph without having to use a walkthrough / write their own walkthrough.

You're whining that a game is more complex than "Press X to win", and requires you to try picking different choices to see which are better than others.

 

[thebladeofwar]

You're whining that a game is more complex than "Press X to win", and requires you to try picking different choices to see which are better than others.

Very true. I have reran this game experimenting with which is the best scenario multiple times. However, due to the fact the game isn't complete I don't think there is a win everything option even in power fantasy mode. Granted you are very correct that this game might be more complex and sometimes you just can't win them all.

Not my cup of tea as I like trying to find the "perfect power fantasy story", but seems like it could be the case. I can't make the warlock my counsel member without sacrificing Val, which also means I can't help Darja. It's a catch 22 trade off right now. Problem is I like all the characters except the princess, so I only have one sacrifice to barter with. And with the outcome I found today as what happens with helping Darja, a new monster girl potential with the princess makes me not want to sacrifice her fully in the future too if I do end up helping Darja.

Another example, I can't befriend Naho without making her a sex slave pet. I mean, she seems to kind of dig it, but I might be misreading it.

 

[HerbertIronsides]

I hope we get more marriage options in the future.

 

[HerbertIronsides]

I am confused. I loaded up my save from March and the game ended in like 5-10 min of content. What . . .. .

 

[billyjoebobmartin]

harem.king dude, you do remember how your intial statement said the game requires no skill right? yet in that same post (or one shortly after it too lazy to care which) you say it requires a walkthough to which you start doubling down on after being proven wrong with someone's own home brew guide... you do see the irony here right? it's not completely lost on you is it? fuck around and find out then mapping for their personal taste in 'best run' on dark fantasy IS and does require skill. some people are inherently unable to do this as the impatient fucks they are. and tbh you've kinda been outing yourself as one of them... just saying.

can't you just up and admit you were wrong? considering how you got side tracked to getting in a vore argument (and still lost imo) i'm betting not.... but i'm not saying you have to praise the game and say it is without faults, just admit that you said something that was untrue and completely biased. lol

parts of things you've said is accurate as mapping IS required for the ideal run on dark fantasy. but you don't 'have' to do it. and enjoy-ability is subjective. and the devs threw in power fantasy mode for people with your particular tastes and lack of mapping skills. so for all things unholy, either recant or hush child. pick one, you can't have your way with internet debates like you can in power fantasy mode bro.

 

[harem.king]

@harem.king dude, you do remember how your intial statement said the game requires no skill right? yet in that same post (or one shortly after it too lazy to care which) you say it requires a walkthough to which you start doubling down on after being proven wrong with someone's own home brew guide... you do see the irony here right? it's not completely lost on you is it? fuck around and find out then mapping for their personal taste in 'best run' on dark fantasy IS and does require skill. some people are inherently unable to do this as the impatient fucks they are. and tbh you've kinda been outing yourself as one of them... just saying.

facepalm...
billy... do you think grinding is a skill? mapping is similar to grinding in that it is labor rather than skill. A chore.
the walkthrough lets you skip that labor.

If a skillless individual uses a walkthrough on this game on his first playthrough and adheres to the walkthrough he will get the best results on the first attempt. because there is no skill involved.

If that same unskilled individual tries to play dark souls with a walkthrough, he is going to die many times to the bosses until/unless he develops the skills necessary to execute the walkthrough's instructions.

Take the worlds most skilled gamers and let them play ravager. They will fail to achieve good results (all waifus acquired and safe. progressed on time. good results on conquest. etc) on their first attempt so long as they are not using walkthrough, because no amount of skill can help you when you are flying blind.

Instead, you have to do is pick between:
a. cheat with god mode
b. cheat with walkthrough
c. spent an extreme amount of time mapping all paths.

This game is simply a mapping chore.

can't you just up and admit you were wrong?

Can't YOU admit you are wrong? You are clearly in the wrong here and yet you don't admit it, why not?
Me personally? I always admit I am wrong when I am actually wrong.
But this time I am correct. it happens.

 

[jsmitth529]

I have to say that Ravager is a fucking amazing game but yeah, at no point does it interact in any way with 'skill'. It isn't unique in that regard, the vast majority of 'find your own path' porn games don't have any mechanical interaction involving player skill, they're just large webs of trial and error that can occasionally be predicted with a bit of critical thought. Ravager is not even one of those, you're gonna either use a guide to get to the content you want or use trial and error until you like what is happening. The vast majority of porn games in general do not involve any form of skill, it's unusual when they do.

Having said that, Ravager is not a particularly complex game. The trial and error you need to get what you want can be achieved within the span of an hour or two at most. Its web of choices really isn't that big and largely involves a bunch of fairly unrelated binary decisions, leaving it to be a fairly simple but enjoyable experience. It's good, but call it what it is.

I do also play on power fantasy mode though, as trying to balance all your stats and still get a good outcome is tedious and rather unfun. You get stretched very thin and it all just becomes a chore of gradual trial and error until you can squeeze out a path in which you get what you want without being forced to sacrifice something you don't want to. For a casual, shorter porn game, it just doesn't feel that optimized, and feels much more enjoyable when you can ignore that entire system.

 

[Nazzar]

I cant for the life of me figure out what is the benefit of breaking marie. Like - what is the difference, apart from the occasional line referencing that it happened?
Also, is there any incentive to let the cats go? Text suggests they feel genuinely grateful and might aid you further down the line, but I just dont see it.

Instead, you have to do is pick between:
a. cheat with god mode
b. cheat with walkthrough
c. spent an extreme amount of time mapping all paths.

Or you could just mousewheel up during a node and spend a minute examining the branches to check what results the choices yield. If not for the sake of getting through the game, then out of sheer curiosity? The writing *is* good and i found it interesting to explore the different outcomes.
Eating and fighting gives strength, non-agression is rewarded with charm, sex acts yield potency. No need for a walkthrough to spoonfeed you - its not that complex.
Like with any renpy, the only thing you really need is your mouse's scroller. Where the hell are you getting these "must-have walkthrough+godmode" notions from?

"spent an extreme amount of time mapping all paths" - are you truly insinuating that people need a fully detailed flowchart to play this game?
Are you on medication?

 

[billyjoebobmartin]

facepalm...
billy... do you think grinding is a skill? mapping is similar to grinding in that it is labor rather than skill. A chore.
the walkthrough lets you skip that labor.

If a skillless individual uses a walkthrough on this game on his first playthrough and adheres to the walkthrough he will get the best results on the first attempt. because there is no skill involved.

If that same unskilled individual tries to play dark souls with a walkthrough, he is going to die many times to the bosses until/unless he develops the skills necessary to execute the walkthrough's instructions.

Take the worlds most skilled gamers and let them play ravager. They will fail to achieve good results (all waifus acquired and safe. progressed on time. good results on conquest. etc) on their first attempt so long as they are not using walkthrough, because no amount of skill can help you when you are flying blind.

Instead, you have to do is pick between:
a. cheat with god mode
b. cheat with walkthrough
c. spent an extreme amount of time mapping all paths.

This game is simply a mapping chore.

Can't YOU admit you are wrong? You are clearly in the wrong here and yet you don't admit it, why not?
Me personally? I always admit I am wrong when I am actually wrong.
But this time I am correct. it happens.

me wrong? i JUST joined this conversion. but see here's the question, how are you right? patience is skill, mapping despite your claims otherwise is a skill (both of which you seem to clearly lack), and there this thing called saving and loading. just like when someone dies in non-dark souls game. also do remember your initial claim was that it was loosely paraphrased 'impossible' to have the perfect run on dark fantasy and how the game requires no skill.... you never admitted you were wrong on that either, despite someone's own guide telling you IT IS possible. (and my experience with the game can confirm) then spontaneously you added the condition that you need to be able to achieve a 'perfect run' on your first run as a very flammable strawman on a skill issue debate...

but hey, you can still play power fantasy. too bad you can't power fantasy your debates right?

 

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[SerHawkes]

me wrong? i JUST joined this conversion. but see here's the question, how are you right? patience is skill, mapping despite your claims otherwise is a skill (both of which you seem to clearly lack), and there this thing called saving and loading. just like when someone dies in non-dark souls game. also do remember your initial claim was that it was loosely paraphrased 'impossible' to have the perfect run on dark fantasy and how the game requires no skill.... you never admitted you were wrong on that either, despite someone's own guide telling you IT IS possible. (and my experience with the game can confirm) then spontaneously you added the condition that you need to be able to achieve a 'perfect run' on your first run as a very flammable strawman on a skill issue debate...

but hey, you can still play power fantasy. too bad you can't power fantasy your debates right?

News flash: Some people are fucking morons and it's best not to go down the rabbit hole of idiocy for ones own sanity sake.

You nailed it on the head. There is saving and loading, a walkthrough that can guide players if they wish to go that route. There is always trial and error. But to say that you need a 'Perfect Run' for a first try? What is this Starfield? Baldar's Gate 3? Call of Fucking Duty??

 

[billyjoebobmartin]

News flash: Some people are fucking morons and it's best not to go down the rabbit hole of idiocy for ones own sanity sake.

You nailed it on the head. There is saving and loading, a walkthrough that can guide players if they wish to go that route. There is always trial and error. But to say that you need a 'Perfect Run' for a first try? What is this Starfield? Baldar's Gate 3? Call of Fucking Duty??

i know, he's either trolling or he's not seeing his folly. either way though if he actually stuck to the enjoyment of his game being 'ruined' he would've had a slightly cohesive argument. i almost wanted to agree with him about the dragon not being able to have more than a single queen being forced drama. but i know it's an inheritance issue as much as a who shall govern when the dragon's asleep kind of hierarchy thing. so even supposing more marriages happen later they will likely be nothing more than 'spare' queens with no or lesser authority. if the dragon is ok with, or unwittingly, with how common fighting for the throne is with inheritance in IRL history.

 

[SerHawkes]

i know, he's either trolling or he's not seeing his folly. either way though if he actually stuck to the enjoyment of his game being 'ruined' he would've had a slightly cohesive argument. i almost wanted to agree with him about the dragon not being able to have more than a single queen being forced drama. but i know it's an inheritance issue as much as a who shall govern when the dragon's asleep kind of hierarchy thing. so even supposing more marriages happen later they will likely be nothing more than 'spare' queens with no or lesser authority. if the dragon is ok with, or unwittingly, with how common fighting for the throne is with inheritance in IRL history.

Hmmm... I don't think there would be much infighting with the queens (unless it's Adeline/Val). Heloise would certainly be a fitting queen, same with Malice, mainly with the logic of in anything were to happen, they could handle the matter quickly. As for the commoners... Mina would be better off as Steward. Cooch would be a poor queen, same with our loveable little short stack of a fan. Kittens? Troublesome at best, horriblesome at worst. Naho? Unless broken we're kinda in a long haul with her being a rebel in the midst.

 

[harem.king]

me wrong? i JUST joined this conversion

And you joined it with a bang up post full of wrongness.

I have to say that Ravager is a fucking amazing game but yeah, at no point does it interact in any way with 'skill'. It isn't unique in that regard, the vast majority of 'find your own path' porn games don't have any mechanical interaction involving player skill, they're just large webs of trial and error that can occasionally be predicted with a bit of critical thought. Ravager is not even one of those, you're gonna either use a guide to get to the content you want or use trial and error until you like what is happening. The vast majority of porn games in general do not involve any form of skill, it's unusual when they do.

Having said that, Ravager is not a particularly complex game. The trial and error you need to get what you want can be achieved within the span of an hour or two at most. Its web of choices really isn't that big and largely involves a bunch of fairly unrelated binary decisions, leaving it to be a fairly simple but enjoyable experience. It's good, but call it what it is.

I do also play on power fantasy mode though, as trying to balance all your stats and still get a good outcome is tedious and rather unfun. You get stretched very thin and it all just becomes a chore of gradual trial and error until you can squeeze out a path in which you get what you want without being forced to sacrifice something you don't want to. For a casual, shorter porn game, it just doesn't feel that optimized, and feels much more enjoyable when you can ignore that entire system.

Basically, yes.
Its not like I hate the game. Because at least they had the forethought to let you just opt out of the badly designed "game" part.
And like you said this is in no way shape or form a unique problem. Pointless grind as well as route mapping are both very common in the porn game industry.

I enjoy the game for what it is.
Good art to fap too with a story I enjoy. And I even like some characters.
Malice is best girl. With Heloise a close second.

 

[billyjoebobmartin]

Hmmm... I don't think there would be much infighting with the queens (unless it's Adeline/Val). Heloise would certainly be a fitting queen, same with Malice, mainly with the logic of in anything were to happen, they could handle the matter quickly. As for the commoners... Mina would be better off as Steward. Cooch would be a poor queen, same with our loveable little short stack of a fan. Kittens? Troublesome at best, horriblesome at worst. Naho? Unless broken we're kinda in a long haul with her being a rebel in the midst.

adaline and malagar playing advocate aside, i was more referring to the future kids fighting for the throne with the last bit of my points. by having an official queen you create a hierarchy, and this hierarchy is intended to stop or limit the fighting to come. (i don't think it stops jack shit tho) thus any future queens 'would' either need their authority curbed or no future queens at all. so i was pretty much saying the drama with who gets to be the queen presently in the game is not being as forced as it appears.

And you joined it with a bang up post full of wrongness.

cool. story. bro. lemme know when you figure out patience and how to map. and how neither of these somehow constitute as skills at all. (yes i mostly agree that games like darksouls require a higher level of skill, but 'lesser' skills such as patience and mapping still count as skills.)

 

[SerHawkes]

adaline and malagar playing advocate aside, i was more referring to the future kids fighting for the throne with the last bit of my points. by having an official queen you create a hierarchy, and this hierarchy is intended to stop or limit the fighting to come. (i don't think it stops jack shit tho) thus any future queens 'would' either need their authority curbed or no future queens at all. so i was pretty much saying the drama with who gets to be the queen presently in the game is not being as forced as it appears.

Well... heres the thing... We ain't getting any true kids out of theses queens, other than Adeline and maybe Fangirl via Malagar. Unless of royal blood, everone is popping out kolbolds, possible dragkitten and dragwolves. Another naga if possible but even then thats a sorta maybe. As with Dragon + Naga = ????, unsure. So interms of that, Kobolds are out of the succession line, even if they are intelligent enough to rule.

 

[billyjoebobmartin]

Well... heres the thing... We ain't getting any true kids out of theses queens, other than Adeline and maybe Fangirl via Malagar. Unless of royal blood, everone is popping out kolbolds, possible dragkitten and dragwolves. Another naga if possible but even then thats a sorta maybe. As with Dragon + Naga = ????, unsure. So interms of that, Kobolds are out of the succession line, even if they are intelligent enough to rule.

and that's another reason why none of the other women are in the running no? thus the 3 choices and no queen choice isn't as forced as it appears. (i mostly blame adaline and malagar having no chill)

 

[YouShallNotLol]

cool. story. bro. lemme know when you figure out patience and how to map. and how neither of these somehow don't constitute as skills at all. (yes i mostly agree that games like darksouls require a higher level of skill, but 'lesser' skills such as patience and mapping still count as skills.)

Just wait until the clown learns that Dark Souls, much like Ravager, has many elements which aren't affected by "skill", but require trial and error to figure out.

There's almost ZERO chance anyone can get perfect playthrough of DS without a walkthrough. There's always an item you're gonna forget, or an NPC you're gonna miss.