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I had to think about this from outside my entire paradigm for this book.

Calisto is definitely mega powerful, but definitely not on par with Inanna and Ereshkigal. I know this to be factual.
It is like most of the modern vampires are hand grenade power.. the pseudo elders that run the city are like 500lb bombs.
The MC is like a Daisy Cutter/Fuel Air Explosive
Calisto and probably Virgil are Hiroshima level nuke. *note that fuel air explosives approach this level of nuclear weapon power.
Inanna and Ereshkigal are modern day fuck the world nukes.

But what bothers me about your post is I am really conflicted about what you point out. You raise a valid point. At least for discussion purposes.

IF Inanna took a direct hand in siring the MC, it was to Dominate Calisto into doing the deed. I am convinced that she did not directly sire the MC. Totally 100% verified, the MC is not as powerful as Calisto, and will not become the most powerful vampire in the novel by the end. He will be in the top 4, not necessarily in 4th place. This assumes no new player enters the game, of the Elder variety.

But...
What could Inanna do.....? What if some of her blood was comingled with Calisto's???? In VtM the Sabbat could comingle blood for the Vaulderie and the Tremere took the blood of Tzimisce and Gangrel to experiment on and comingle for their Gargoyles.... and mingled more than one Methuselah of the Tzimisce to make their blood ceremony to transform to vampires....

But this is not VtM.... still.... if our devs are super sneaky.... then something could be looked at here....

I am placing this in the far far out of theories, but very intriguing.
I shall think some more....
Thanks for this!
Peace
may i remind you that i have over 8-9 months ago spoken that Callisto might have used a vial of Innana´s blood when creating the MC? i am sure a temple dedicated to Innana must have had some reliquary with a vial of her dried up blood for worship!

my theory that the MC is a glass cannon kind of weapon still persists!
Truth.
I still do not believe it as I stated above it is way way out.... it would also contradict a direct quote from both Devs to me in conversation. But, stranger things have happened, and they like to be twisted sometimes!
Peace
i wonder if you could mix an elders blood with your own blood when feeding a thrall to make him stronger?

could Sharon give Andrew some of your own blood to make him tougher stronger and faster?

considering the decades of thralling Andrew has ....
 
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may i remind you that i have over 8-9 months ago spoken that Callisto might have used a vial of Innana´s blood when creating the MC? i am sure a temple dedicated to Innana must have had some reliquary with a vial of her dried up blood for worship!

my theory that the MC is a glass cannon kind of weapon still persists!
Truth.
I still do not believe it as I stated above it is way way out.... it would also contradict a direct quote from both Devs to me in conversation. But, stranger things have happened, and they like to be twisted sometimes!
Warscared I think it was the lovely pictures that took me by surprise....... and made me briefly consider. :D
Peace
 
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may i remind you that i have over 8-9 months ago spoken that Callisto might have used a vial of Innana´s blood when creating the MC? i am sure a temple dedicated to Innana must have had some reliquary with a vial of her dried up blood for worship!

my theory that the MC is a glass cannon kind of weapon still persists!
i wonder if you could mix an elders blood with your own blood when feeding a thrall to make him stronger?

could Sharon give Andrew some of your own blood to make him tougher stronger and faster?

considering the decades of thralling Andrew has ....
The mixing of blood will defeat the purpose of thralling.
In VtM, where you made thralls but were called ghouls or blood bound vampires or whomever you thralled, you gave them your blood. The Sabbat found a way to be immune to being blood bound, and bound themselves to their coterie or gang or collection of like minded maniacs. They mixed all of their blood in a bowl, said some mumbo jumbo, and drank that. It kept them loyal to the coterie and immune to being bound.

Thus mixing blood wouldn't enhance the bond. However, it might make the thrall much tougher for a time.
 
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Thus mixing blood wouldn't enhance the bond. However, it might make the thrall much tougher for a time.
Imo i don't think it's gonna work like that.
The more older the blood the more dominant the blood would be.
And i believe the more dominant blood would just take over and for example Andrew would be in the end just your thrall
While the game follows the rule of being fed blood 3 times before you become a thrall.
Since MC is let's say a pure bred compared to Sharon or Astrid. His blood is definitely more powerfull compared to Sharon

Look at Ivy and how "strong" MC is now. She got fed 1 time and basically begged him for more blood

My 2 cents on that
 
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Hi Arigon, just telling it as I see it, and to me there remains a question regarding the involvement of Innana in the creating of the MC as the champion that is to be tasked with confronting her sister. If I am wrong I don't mind at all, the story is good anyway. The devs ... meh they can say anything they like - they HAVE to hide things until they are ready to reveal with no leakage ... could be true and meaningful or merely deception to preserve their storyline idk. The only things that are 'real' are the games content, which we can all view and discuss, and potential background source material which we may argue is relevant or not. What is in the devs head we will only truly know once the game has been completed and we 'pick over the bones'. FYI: the rubbish on the other thread, just ignore it as I responded - perhaps - too quickly to someone being rude to lots of people. I am sure that I will be ignoring it from now.
 
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Hi Arigon, just telling it as I see it, and to me there remains a question regarding the involvement of Innana in the creating of the MC as the champion that is to be tasked with confronting her sister. If I am wrong I don't mind at all, the story is good anyway. The devs ... meh they can say anything they like - they HAVE to hide things until they are ready to reveal with no leakage ... could be true and meaningful or merely deception to preserve their storyline idk. The only things that are 'real' are the games content, which we can all view and discuss, and potential background source material which we may argue is relevant or not. What is in the devs head we will only truly know once the game has been completed and we 'pick over the bones'. FYI: the rubbish on the other thread, just ignore it as I responded - perhaps - too quickly to someone being rude to lots of people. I am sure that I will be ignoring it from now.
Other thread stuff ignored man, I know the other party and she is a force of nature.... just saying.

A tidbit about Inanna myth is that Enki sends 2 Galla to rescue her from Ereshkigal.
The Galla are sexless beings, sort of like angels who serve the gods.
Perhaps Calisto and the MC will serve in the role of these Galla for Inanna's rescue.......????
There is a lot of conflicting information as to why the sisters have been at odds, but the most reliable sources definitely allude to a feud perhaps fueled by jealousy, or the fact that Inanna is credited as a god killer.... and that is why the 7 judges of the underworld found her guilty and allowed Ereshkigal to deny her resurrection..... She was resurrected anyway, by her two saviors....
Could be....
Just a theory of course
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Hi Arigon. In my limited understanding of things, I understand that Inanna - the queen of heaven - went to the underworld to try and gain additional powers as boons from the gods down there, not just her sister Ereshkigal - the queen of the underworld, but was struck dead by the seven judges of the underworld - who consider her to be a threat to the underworld - after removing her protections. Back home Inanna's aide, Ninshubur, pleads with the gods to save her, and Enki sends a rescue team of just two as you say. These two are to revive Inanna with the food and water of life - food of life could be blood of course. In the event Inanna is successfully brought back to life and flees the underworld, followed by a mass of demons who demand a replacement for her. Long story short ... Inanna initially refuses to send any loyal servant in her place until she finds that her husband did not miss her when she was dead, so she gives him over as her replacement... Want to take a guess as to who VG will send back as a replacement? Lol. You could be right in that in the end just Calisto and MC together with similar powers have to go to the cave and rescue her - but my guess is that will be CH 5 and not CH 4... Other thread nonsense - just cut of on my side, so it is ignored now.
 
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Hi Arigon. In my limited understanding of things, I understand that Inanna - the queen of heaven - went to the underworld to try and gain additional powers as boons from the gods down there, not just her sister Ereshkigal - the queen of the underworld, but was struck dead by the seven judges of the underworld - who consider her to be a threat to the underworld - after removing her protections. Back home Inanna's aide, Ninshubur, pleads with the gods to save her, and Enki sends a rescue team of just two as you say. These two are to revive Inanna with the food and water of life - food of life could be blood of course. In the event Inanna is successfully brought back to life and flees the underworld, followed by a mass of demons who demand a replacement for her. Long story short ... Inanna initially refuses to send any loyal servant in her place until she finds that her husband did not miss her when she was dead, so she gives him over as her replacement... Want to take a guess as to who VG will send back as a replacement? Lol. You could be right in that in the end just Calisto and MC together with similar powers have to go to the cave and rescue her - but my guess is that will be CH 5 and not CH 4... Other thread nonsense - just cut of on my side, so it is ignored now.

So based on what has been literally dug up in recent (relatively) years has given several accounts of the story.

Inanna in some stories is a love/fertility/sky goddess synonymous with Isis, Aphrodite, and many many others.
In other stories she is depicted as a god slayer and power stealer. She is one of the cases where the child was mightier than the parent, at least in Sumerian Myths of this type. She went to the Underworld using the pretext of the death of Ereshkigals husband, but was seeking to steal yet another realm of power. Ereshkigal in this tale, had her servant * possibly someone along the lines of another god, who was the gate keeper, instruct Inanna that if she wished to enter, she must give up one item of clothing/jewelry per gate. There were 7 gates.
Most of the stories have Ereshkigal actually killing Inanna, but the 7 judges were invoked as to whether she could depart the realm and be reborn. She was denied this, and placed on a hook on an ancient wall. She bled out, and was denied respite from this until Enki dispatched 2 Galla to rescue her. Now there are also tales which speak of a single godling retrieving her, but most of the really reputable scholars go with the Galla story. She had to send someone back, and it was her husband, and his sister, who split the time evenly, each spending half a year at a time so that Inanna could do things like destroying massive mountain gods and other conquests.

The Ereshkigal/Inanna myth is the most pivotal of all the myths surrounding both goddesses.

I think that the wiki does a fairly ok job on describing some of this, but leaves a lot to be desired. I will try and find my post I made a while back which I referenced actual scholars who did translations of the glyphs and later writings on this.

For what it is worth, she is even mentioned in Semitic faiths. Much of what was later introduced into Judaism and later Christianity has it's source in Babylon/Sumer/Mesopotamian/Zoroastrian myths.

I am very excited to see what is coming, but yes, we won't see the biggest battles until next year. We should see some massive build ups though. The MC must grow stronger if he is to be of use in this battle, and I am really sold on the Calisto Virgil/Arcas story.

We shall see my friend.
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Hi Arigon, yep I agree that wiki generally does a good well educated soup-bowl take on most topics, but the 6000 year old stories have been revised, rewritten and assimilated several times over to produce a large number of variants, for the Sumerians she was the goddess of war and sex, as well as the source of the Great Flood in Gilgamesh and later the Bible, to the Greeks she was Aphrodite whilst for the Romans she was associated with Venus etc, ... meh whatever. I also note that Inanna and Ishtar - the goddess of prostitution - were originally separate deities and got mixed. Her relationship with Dumuzi, the god of shepherds, is different depending on which myth you refer to, in one myth she allows demons to drag Dumuzi back to the underworld where Ereshkigal relents and allows him to go back to heaven for short periods providing that there is a replacement, his sister who is much loved by gods and men is the replacement and when she is in the underworld the earth has winter and when she is in heaven the earth has summer - origin of seasons as I understand it. It depends on what the devs actually chose to put into their mix, it may be from the original or just some bits that they cherry picked, irdk. The reason that I laboured the point somewhat here is ... who will get sent to the underworld as a replacement question? Who has been the least loyal to the Inanna bloodline, obviously you can pick your candidates - if indeed the problem is even broached in the story - Virgil seems a reasonable fit to me because he betrayed Inanna's original plan - assumption on my part - to send Calisto and Virgil to release her ... Andy.
 
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I also note that Inanna and Ishtar - the goddess of prostitution - were originally separate deities and got mixed.
and we just discovered the next game for LB a corruption story involving the gods turning Aphrodite into a cum slut whorish 3 holes dick glove!

that should be one hell of a story! perhaps having Loki masking as Mars the god of war seducing Aphrodite the wife of Hephaestus in an attempt to create division in the greco roman pantheon and it ends in a battle between the Nordic pantheon and the greco roman pantheons and if you did you work properly without being caught the Nordic pantheon wins the war!

is this off topic?
 

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Hi Arigon. In my limited understanding of things, I understand that Inanna - the queen of heaven - went to the underworld to try and gain additional powers as boons from the gods down there, not just her sister Ereshkigal - the queen of the underworld, but was struck dead by the seven judges of the underworld - who consider her to be a threat to the underworld - after removing her protections. Back home Inanna's aide, Ninshubur, pleads with the gods to save her, and Enki sends a rescue team of just two as you say. These two are to revive Inanna with the food and water of life - food of life could be blood of course. In the event Inanna is successfully brought back to life and flees the underworld, followed by a mass of demons who demand a replacement for her. Long story short ... Inanna initially refuses to send any loyal servant in her place until she finds that her husband did not miss her when she was dead, so she gives him over as her replacement... Want to take a guess as to who VG will send back as a replacement? Lol. You could be right in that in the end just Calisto and MC together with similar powers have to go to the cave and rescue her - but my guess is that will be CH 5 and not CH 4... Other thread nonsense - just cut of on my side, so it is ignored now.
Well if you are going back that far you could and should consult the Ugeritic texts as well but by and large you have gotten the jist of it, Inanna is interchangeable with Ishtar, Astarte, Ashtaroth, and Aphrodite. Even Mephistopheles. All of them have a similar running theme. It's interesting with the amount of Mythology as a basis for our theory crafting, it being as tangible as tangible gets why do you think We still have in our midst naysaying flat Earthers who have scorned and ridiculed us.
 

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Haters gotta hate my friends.
There are different sub-sets of our collective, and as long as everyone stays pretty civil, then whatever they say is fair I suppose. There is a large subset of us that like to delve into what the devs might be thinking, based on where, some of us have been digging deep into myth. We can just continue on as we have. I call them out every now and then, but we just need to try and keep things civil. Countries may fight, religions may jihad, but porn and adult game enthusiasts can all get along, if we just aren't dicks!
 

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So i got a bit of theory and i haven't seen it discussed here.

We know MC got visions both of "Vision girl" and the "Creature in the cave" Both of them are ancient and are supposed to be sisters.

What i understand from both of them(Vision/cave) they have the same lineage. And don't deviate from it with let's say a different Mother or Father vice versa, So same blood line.

We all think Vision girl can influence people who are descendants of her blood line in to doing things. Like with Calisto turning MC for "lets say because he has a strong mind/body"

Now with my theory

Since MC visited that mental hospital. He got vision of The creature in the cave. And even vision girl warning him to not go that way.
What if Vision girl said to not go that way, Because they share the same bloodline. (hint: Nos invisibility)And the creature in the cave can also influence MC's mind. And some choices we made in the game can influence the outcome if we stay on the good side or go to the bad side

So now we have to go back to episode 2. Where MC meets Fabian he gets a vision of Fabian in templar clothing, We all came to the conclusion that Fabian is a templar.
In history Templars were considered to be on the good side of history. Depends on from wich side you look at it.
We can safely say that Calisto and her temple "are on the good side"(Also depends on how you look at it ) And the creature in the cave is on the bad side

Now with choices you made like Miri's soul stain and other parameters like Astrid. I think those choices you made are going to influence the outcome of the fight With either the Vision girl influencing your Mind to be on her side. Or either Getting influend by the cave creature to help her side.

Now comes the crazy part. I think Calisto dipped to much in to the darkside with her choices in life. And cannot kill the creature in the Cave. Since she would also get mind fucked by it And needed something fresh that hasn't been tainted by his choices yet
And with MC by her side and she can basically play dumb. (and Fabian Knows about it with his comment eating something dirty) While she Say's i don't believe a ancient is burried in Scotts town. While later asking MC to find it and Kill it. While doing that sets Vision girl free from her prison it also would in some way set Calisto free. To unleash the temple on to the world and get a strong foothold in the world.

And that is gonna be a story that leads in to future episodes of Rebirth
 

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So i got a bit of theory and i haven't seen it discussed here.

We know MC got visions both of "Vision girl" and the "Creature in the cave" Both of them are ancient and are supposed to be sisters.

What i understand from both of them(Vision/cave) they have the same lineage. And don't deviate from it with let's say a different Mother or Father vice versa, So same blood line.

We all think Vision girl can influence people who are descendants of her blood line in to doing things. Like with Calisto turning MC for "lets say because he has a strong mind/body"

Now with my theory

Since MC visited that mental hospital. He got vision of The creature in the cave. And even vision girl warning him to not go that way.
What if Vision girl said to not go that way, Because they share the same bloodline. (hint: Nos invisibility)And the creature in the cave can also influence MC's mind. And some choices we made in the game can influence the outcome if we stay on the good side or go to the bad side

So now we have to go back to episode 2. Where MC meets Fabian he gets a vision of Fabian in templar clothing, We all came to the conclusion that Fabian is a templar.
In history Templars were considered to be on the good side of history. Depends on from wich side you look at it.
We can safely say that Calisto and her temple "are on the good side"(Also depends on how you look at it ) And the creature in the cave is on the bad side

Now with choices you made like Miri's soul stain and other parameters like Astrid. I think those choices you made are going to influence the outcome of the fight With either the Vision girl influencing your Mind to be on her side. Or either Getting influend by the cave creature to help her side.

Now comes the crazy part. I think Calisto dipped to much in to the darkside with her choices in life. And cannot kill the creature in the Cave. Since she would also get mind fucked by it And needed something fresh that hasn't been tainted by his choices yet
And with MC by her side and she can basically play dumb. (and Fabian Knows about it with his comment eating something dirty) While she Say's i don't believe a ancient is burried in Scotts town. While later asking MC to find it and Kill it. While doing that sets Vision girl free from her prison it also would in some way set Calisto free. To unleash the temple on to the world and get a strong foothold in the world.

And that is gonna be a story that leads in to future episodes of Rebirth
Ok.......

Fuck......

Scratching head...........

This is some shit that is literally spinning some wheels in my gear box.

Only real comment I can make with certainty is whether we took all the powers possible, and get the dagger or not, we are not going to win this first fight in the cave, and Laurie is going to be killed. If folks did the right thing, she becomes Sharon's unconscious childe, and is saved that way.

So I don't think we can free Calisto if that is what is going on........ but....... I am really needing to think on this.

Beyond that.. Your theory is going to have me going line by line and frame by frame tonight.
I love it.
Thank you, and I will hopefully have some meaningful contribution to this later tonight or tomorrow.
Peace
 
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