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I hope Royal Candy reads this. No more Secrets was my favorite completed game by far. The reason because you managed to make a decent story around most character not just an I am a plumber lets fuck, and characters had distiungishable personalities. aka quality of writing met with quality renders. So I trust you that after a few more updates it will be a much better game. Just please do not do one thing. Compromise your plan's integrity to please supporters now. If feels like too much grind because its nothing much to do in v0.1 don't reduce grind just ask patience and explain. And never give in to the NTR whiners. I trust your judgment and I don't wanna see your game turns into a dead boring vanilla like Dark Silver's just to keep pleasing his majority.
- Apr 2, 2020
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I think it's a mistake on royalcandy's part to keep doing the renders for the NTR/voyeur/whatever because that's not what his patreons and most people wanted to see, and it's worse because most people playing it won't ever see it from now on.
So why instead of keep doing those renders and wasting time for something not much players would see, he instead use that time in other things of the game?
I mean, it's nice that some girls has partners, and it's normal that they have sex, but why waste time doing render of them fucking if that's not what your audience wants to see, and also having a few side characters with boyfriends/husbands it's nice, but having every character, even main ones with a boyfriend is excesive, even more considering that he will lose time doing renders of them fucking that most won't see so...
So why instead of keep doing those renders and wasting time for something not much players would see, he instead use that time in other things of the game?
I mean, it's nice that some girls has partners, and it's normal that they have sex, but why waste time doing render of them fucking if that's not what your audience wants to see, and also having a few side characters with boyfriends/husbands it's nice, but having every character, even main ones with a boyfriend is excesive, even more considering that he will lose time doing renders of them fucking that most won't see so...
- Sep 21, 2020
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I highly doubt all 30+ girls are gonna have boyfriends/husbands, Brianna and Jackie don't have boyfriends out of the 4 characters we have actually met( I'm not counting Natalie as she is the catalyst for the plot).
Ok. Yesterday I wrote a quick notification regarding to posts going up and down, but actually I not tried the game as it was 0.1 usually they are very early versions with very little content I rather wait till 0.3 before is start the game. But royalcandi's paetron post is clear that he needs feedback so I put 3-4 hours to have a first impression test feedback. So here are my points: 1) Graphics, modells and renders. Excellent NMS was very good this is even better, you are in absolute top in pair with Super Alex and Dark Silver. Animations were great. I got minor things to criticize, like Jackline at first introductionary scene looks abit lifeless wax doll, most picture both Justin and Jacklin facial expression looks very dumb, partly due to their eyes looks dull/lifeless. also Mom and Natalie's Mom are both a bit over used for this roles. But seriousness of this is like -2-3% so on a 0-100 scale with this your game would be still 97, these are extremely minor insignificant issues. 2) Music for how much you have to roam around it gets very quickly monotonous I expect a bit more variety for different places/parts of day if you spend this much time in a game. I would give another -3 points but the its partially overlaps about missing final touches like breathing animation, or sparkling eye animation... so game still at 96% hot. 3) Lack of content/grinding: Yes house feels a bit empty, but It has much more content than I expected for 0.1 after 3-4 hours I'm still exploring. Super Alex amnesia 0.4 I can go trough all content in less than an hour. But there are issues, like pizza you only can delivery once a day by "text" but actually nothing stops you from doing 4-5 successful run a day (I guess its a bug), BUT 20$ dollar for a run and 500$ VR headset sound like kinda realistic, however how little the money you make its a but unbalanced how long it takes the minigame and how hard it is. As I said 20$ is ok falling of bicycle half a time because you don't want spend 2-3 min for a 20$ minigame is not ok. Also I started to learn Massage after beginner 1 I couldn't take beginner 2 but I could take beginner 6, anyway I take beginner 1-2-6 my massage is still 0, so I'm guessing need to take all 6 to raise it to one. As one time slot is few hours I would say you don't need 20h and 150$ course to give a beginner basic foot massage. anyway more of an issue if I have to take all 6 why it has 6 different icon why not used a simpler one icon and under a name Beginner massage (X/6) instead of the #X. This takes down to 85% mostly for the pizza minigame feels too long time wasting. Probably get better if I get used to it. 4) Sandbox/UI I think what you did with UI is amazing only seen this much tailoring with ren'py by you or Super Alex before absolute top notch. I could criticize that somewhere feels a bit forced/non user friendly the paths you have to take. But adding more location buttons would help a lot. Like just because you can go upstairs from living room by clicking on steps doesn't mean there is a reason why you cant have a button next to the swimming pool so you don't have to hover around a screen with mouse every time. just add an icon to all accessible location next to each other. //check dark silver's glamour for this, he done this really well not to mention the additional who is where indicator so you don't roam aimlessly//. Or why isn't a city access button from back garden. This would bring down the game 85% but we already there. 5) NTR/voyeurism: my personal taste is indifferent if cuckolding is written well I can enjoy if not I feel its there just to create angst, I don't like. Well this is angst and jealousy type, but not real cuckolding, Ntr. But as I expressed before I even hate more the vanilla 12 a dozen all the same games where only the MC's virtual wee-wee can touch girls or a laud group of people become cry babies. I would say my only issue was here that if I remember right the bedroom scene seemed a bit sub quality like characters body shadow not matching furniture or something, but it was 3 am so I might be wrong. Its -0 for this. Still 85%. 6) Bugs. Jebus Chirst this release (0.13) is more bugged than cyberpunk. I clicking in leaf net, computer screen comes in with massage courses, casino betting is inaccessible I only can do rollback, same on checking relation half of the characters, I can do 3 times a row lawn mowing, Birana and jacklin watchin tv in living room I try to talk to them he goes on spying on mom and Adam. Jacklin highlighting contour to talk to her like almost an inch off from her body at swimming pool, sometimes sleeping screen doesn't get cleared from memory and every event covered with a black "few hours later" message screen.... You must do some patches and set up some forum for bug reporting (hello discord), because number of serious bugs are ridiculous. We done to 70% it really affects game, but these are fixable minor issues. 7) Writing on NMS it was your strong point that the non-incest version was still well written; here the so fake and forced landlady really repels me, I rather skip most conversation I don't like when something is so forced/fake breaks my immersion. I have to find either incest patch (even incest in not my cup of tee) or skip text as it just puts me off. 65% As starting 65% I would say solid start, of course for most people after the 96% I would rate NMS it's big fall back, but a few more months/versions, little more user friendly UI, more content around house, major bug hunt its very easy to go back to well apricated 85-95%.
+1 I like big games where I can lost so I don't mind grind if it has actual progress like Superpowered, so I was more of a surprised you making a game like this and you missed opportunity of cooking/lockpick/hacking skills and kitchen location...
+1 I like big games where I can lost so I don't mind grind if it has actual progress like Superpowered, so I was more of a surprised you making a game like this and you missed opportunity of cooking/lockpick/hacking skills and kitchen location...
- Dec 9, 2020
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Dude... hit your enter button after every point... that's a solid brick wall of text.
We all know why the game didn't do as well as it should, don't need a poll for it, the dev didn't follow through with what the patreons voted for in the first place, grindy big brother sandbox clone, bugs. On top of which a bigger expectation from the dev of NMS.
We all know why the game didn't do as well as it should, don't need a poll for it, the dev didn't follow through with what the patreons voted for in the first place, grindy big brother sandbox clone, bugs. On top of which a bigger expectation from the dev of NMS.
Sorry, I was working from home, so I was rushing trough my points haven't had time to edit or rephrase the text into a more digestible less "broken English" format.
(I even missed a point how unclear which action will advance time which won't and is an unnecessary inconvenience to learn it; get used to it. )
Comparison to Big Brother, Man of the House, Milf city... is valid as all male protagonist with mom, older and younger sister, open world, rpg like games. There is a reason why so many game like this, because it's a popular "genre". But I trust royalcandy, hopefully he will manage to create interesting story, interesting characters and interesting dialogs, so his game will be better than those. Unfortunately the available comparisons takes away the opportunity of show something fresh and unique and setting a bar. But also as Milfy city is ICSTOR aka Abandoned, MotH finished quite a while ago, and the BB saga now called Glamour is as a "game" is absolute broken. Means that bar to gather the many fans of this type of game is not that high.
As I said like 4 times I believe in Royalcandy's writing skills to make a better one. Currently I'm enjoying the game, pissed off by bugs and waiting for patches or I can switch to playing Cyberpunk where I'm enjoying the game, pissed off by bugs and waiting for patches.
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The game is basically a hard copy of BB, from opportunities right down to having to getting rid of "eric" in the beginning, it's just too bad royal went about that the wrong way. The sandbox theme turns some people off as well, especially grindy ones, although not me as much as long as it's reasonable, and there's plans to tone it down the grind already. I'll tell you one thing that's true in every game out there, grinds are only there to delay and cover the lack of content.
I actually enjoy Glamour quite a lot (last update with ann/lisa was damn good), the replay events in that game are actually quite reasonable as they progress every time you go back to them like the pool/sun bathing/sleep events last update or pretty much every quest line in there, while in this game it's just basically a checkmark achievement, peep on someone 3 times in 5 different ways, but yes I know still early base game. You also don't have to grind out a super amount of time to buy anything in Glamour, I already have 10k+ passively from the cam show.
I think once the dev figures out what type of cheating his patreons actually asked for, and bring in the NMS story telling this game could be quite good. I still have hope for the game, hence while I'm still watching the thread. But the dev would be better off following Glamour than BB play styles if sticking to this format. And fixing bugs, I stop playing when I got the massage training screen popping up blocking my conversations, although the now skippable and not avoidable scene is still a small issue to me if future content is still treated the same. But we'll see.
I actually enjoy Glamour quite a lot (last update with ann/lisa was damn good), the replay events in that game are actually quite reasonable as they progress every time you go back to them like the pool/sun bathing/sleep events last update or pretty much every quest line in there, while in this game it's just basically a checkmark achievement, peep on someone 3 times in 5 different ways, but yes I know still early base game. You also don't have to grind out a super amount of time to buy anything in Glamour, I already have 10k+ passively from the cam show.
I think once the dev figures out what type of cheating his patreons actually asked for, and bring in the NMS story telling this game could be quite good. I still have hope for the game, hence while I'm still watching the thread. But the dev would be better off following Glamour than BB play styles if sticking to this format. And fixing bugs, I stop playing when I got the massage training screen popping up blocking my conversations, although the now skippable and not avoidable scene is still a small issue to me if future content is still treated the same. But we'll see.
Well, Glamour from many point it is top of the top. It just let me down as "game", not a single stat has any meaning, all scenes are hardcoded, doesn't matter how shy/openminded your character you have to trigger exactly 6 times the shower event to progress it. And all mini event watered down to be able to loop back to main story so developer doesn't have to work on multiple story paths. Therefore none of the mini events can alter the story ergo pointless/ stake less. So no event or action realy matter in game; its just a series of mini visual novels with some optional grind breaks. I much prefer game like superpowered graphics by now is fall behind, grind is 20 times worse than here, but all statistic has meaning; they alter the environment so its not pointless grind to hide lack of content; its rather way to progress story and chose your way slowly at each different "junction".
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Either way is a barrier to progressing a story. Raising a stat to 100, or doing a job 10 times to buy something, or replaying the same scene 5 times is basically the same thing, (hello MoTH). In most cases stats don't even change your character personality in the game (the story choices given to you to choose mostly does this), it's mostly just a stat to hold you back from triggering a scene. Replaying a mini event that changes each time you do it in my opinion is better and feels less of a grind, it also provides a better build up for the eventual end scene.
Step by step story progression, or stat or achievement progression, either can work fine as long as it's interesting and not just a grind and actually progresses the story. Different strokes for different folks.
Edit: sorry last post on this, don't want the mods thinking we're derailing this. I just hope this game turns it around for the better, like I said I really loved NMS and hope this follows it's footsteps.
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Step by step story progression, or stat or achievement progression, either can work fine as long as it's interesting and not just a grind and actually progresses the story. Different strokes for different folks.
Edit: sorry last post on this, don't want the mods thinking we're derailing this. I just hope this game turns it around for the better, like I said I really loved NMS and hope this follows it's footsteps.
I voted but as I am not a patron I will reiterate here: Sandbox, Voyeurism/NTR, Grind... Those are the turnoffs for me in all games not just in this one.
Grind: Don't have any desire to do repetitive tasks so I can get a tiny bit closer to a character or FINALLY see a short scene. WOW (and other MMORPGs) completely burned out my willingness to do the same thing over and over again.
Voyeurism/NTR:
Voyeurism: I don't like watching other people fuck. Not a fan of peeper/creeper game play
NTR: I don't hate NTR as much as some. If done so as to destroy the MC relationship and allow them to break up and move on then I am fine with it. But otherwise not my thing.
Sandbox: I loathe Sandbox games, I don't want to wander around or have to click on some room/location at the right time for some event to happen. Tell me a story, show me a story, don't have story beats that take me an in game week to find because I have no idea where to go or what to do. The minimum amount of free roam that was in the previous game was the maximum amount I am willing to tolerate.
Having said all of that I do know that every game is not for everyone and I made the decision awhile ago that this game is simply not for me. I hope RC's patrons are happy with the new game and really that is all that matters.
Edited to add: The proofreading is atrocious, so many misspellings and errors.
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- Jun 27, 2017
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This game seriously needs a Workthrough. Without it its very difficult to get all the events. Sadly Its only for the +20$ patrons. Going to wait till someone posts it.
- Jan 22, 2020
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Someone's probably already mentioned it but I found a gamebreaking bug...
After you get your job and buy the fish and it gets into sandbox mode, then I went to work at the pizza place, but that work led straight back into the delivering pizza to your own house part from before, which looped around into forcing you to do the lawn and clean the pool but those items aren't intractable with as I'd just done it yesterday so you're stuck.
I've got a save though so it's not a biggie but thought I'd mention it, and I was just checking out the general vibe of this one so might not bother more with it anyhoo until it's further along.
After you get your job and buy the fish and it gets into sandbox mode, then I went to work at the pizza place, but that work led straight back into the delivering pizza to your own house part from before, which looped around into forcing you to do the lawn and clean the pool but those items aren't intractable with as I'd just done it yesterday so you're stuck.
I've got a save though so it's not a biggie but thought I'd mention it, and I was just checking out the general vibe of this one so might not bother more with it anyhoo until it's further along.
- Apr 24, 2019
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Hi? Question from a stupid and curious person...
Sooo if the girl cheated on you....Will mc knows it??
How to prevent them from cheating on mc?
Sooo if the girl cheated on you....Will mc knows it??
How to prevent them from cheating on mc?
Too much of a sandbox without direction. You do not even know what are you supposed to do next and keep clicking every thumbnail to look for the next scene. Too much hassle. His previous game was a sandbox also but much more focused than this. I fear this will be a grinding game.
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Hello guys and gals,
How are you today? I hope you're all fine. I finally got rid of the virus and I'm back to work healthier than ever.
PROGRESS STATUS
Last week I managed to write half of the new content for this upcoming version and Bishop already started working on the renders.
Beside that I have already started modifying the structure of the game a little bit based on the polls that have ended last week I planned some changes.
The change I'm working right now is the quest system. Some of you might know Cash. Our beloved fish, he'll no longer help you with the quests, because each quest will have the hint already visible for those who are playing with the tutorial enabled.
I have started to redesign some of the quest and make them less grindy. Also the relationship progress will be more documented and you'll know exactly what you have to do for each girl and each quest, so that you won't have to click everywhere to find the content.
PLANS FOR THIS WEEK
Because this game didn't had the success I have hoped for I decided to remove Adam from Christine's life. He was not important for the story and on top of that sooner or later Christine was going to dump him for our MC, but given the fact that so many of you didn't like him being part of Christine's life I decided to rewrite some parts of the game and remove him.
He'll still be in the game, but he'll no longer be Christine's boyfriend.
Given the fact that the first version was labeled as NTR I will create a poll to see how many of people are following the game because of that and if there are enough people who want to see NTR content I will create a hidden path for those players in which Christine will get to meet Adam, but she'll ask the MC what opinion he has about her dating him and if the MC will say no then she'll never ask again.
I'm also working on a surprise for some of you, but I will not make it public until I know it will work without affecting my content.
Best regards,
Jason
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For NTR lovers here is a poll so I know if I should add a way for Adam to return in Christine's life, however this will not be the default path of the game anymore.
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