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juan palote

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the first time i downloaded the game there was a NTR tag, and there was NTR in the first episode from what i remember.

I still stand by what i said though i read a dumb comment from someone saying to watch porn if you like NTR and not play games. I get the majority including me dont really like NTR but any time there is a NTR game which is rare people just go off
about it...If a dev ever promises something and doesnt deliver then just leave, they're hurting themselves more than anyone else by lying to people.

You remember wrong.

There wasnt an NTR tag untill about a week ago. Hell, there is a post where the Dev said IN THE FUTURE there would be avoidable NTR. Meanwhile, he already had unavoidable untagged NTR
 

NateGrey

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I think, things are simple, the game has the tag now, and I don't think all these discussions make sense as long as I understand that you are disappointed. Right now you only have two possibilities to play or not.
Well, on the plus side, it does make for an hilarious read :ROFLMAO: People are cursing the dev and the game and vow to never play it,yet the same ones keep coming back and back, responding with walls of text to convince other random internet peeps why they are right to be outraged. The facepalms to the moderator who asked to keep the discussion civil had me in stitches.
 

DA22

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so what's all the ntr shitshow about?
are basement dwellers getting angry and saying there's NTR because one of the characters talked to a male that wasn't the self insert or is it actual NTR?
Well if the Li's are not taken away it is not actual NTR, but so many other dick is shown and in ways and situations that basically every LI gives the impression she is a slut you would not like to be in a romantic relation with, which is self defeating for a romance game about MC connecting with them. If add to that people also do not like MC and it gets even worse. Edit: Even if he would become a so called alpha or improves in other ways, so he becomes worthy of them, why would he want to since then he should be able to do better for himself as those women he was not good enough for before and are still sluts in players mind.:p

There are reasons why NTR or games with heavy NTR vibes or NTR elements work badly in a game that is also supposed to be romantic and the impact on the girls is a big one, even if you can change the Mc due to growth, you cannot change the shown path of the girls and the impact their actions had in being easily seduced away or jump NPC asshole cock in a minute since well who knows why there is never a good logical reason shown besides the girl is inexplainable horny, dumb beyond believe or whatever. For players that matters to, it just does not work to combine them.

Another example of a dev that does not understand that the first sex scene shown in game and how MC is at start has a very big impact and sets the tone for the game and especially when updates have longer time as a week between them it is very hard to impossible to turn that around. With this first scene here being MMF on the girlfriend and Mc watching like a moron, that hits many undesirable fetishes for many people in a romance game. Repeat those voyeurism scenes and you just reinforce the tone your game has set.
 
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Bonhomie

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Trying to play update 3 and it seems the threesome with Nicole and Barbara doesn't work.
The "I can't decide" option goes to an error screen, and my saves from the last update will not load now.

Been back through the last 4/5 pages and amidst all the wailing and moaning I did find reference to 'routes'.
Does this have something to do with it - has the threesome been taken out of the game?

If so why is there still a render of the two ladies sitting at Steve's bar in the OP teaser renders?
 

chicken head

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Please, PLEASE, if you take anything from this thread I want you to hear me out for a few lines.

Pretend for a second that you are wrong. Not creatively or completely, just wrong in this instant. Admit, you might have underestimated the audience. Admit that someone that disagrees with you can possibly want to help you. If you can do that, you can make MOST people happy.

(Feel free to ignore the rest of this, i just needed for you to read the above)

How to make people happy though takes a bit of listening. I said the above because you think that the basis of fact and truth lies with you. It doesn't. It's neutral. Most people on this thread have had good faith arguments with you. Some call you names, that's unfair, but it becomes more fair as you choose to ignore the good faith. You enter your posts in Bad Faith, meaning that you choose to NOT acknowledge that the other could possibly be right. This is how bad arguments are formed. Personally, you can make ANY game you want and that's fine. It seems you made a pointless Poll and got the answer you didn't want, but you knew would happen and YET, you still refuse to change your tone. Contrary to everyone here, I think that's fine. BUT, you still stick to your story about Harem and Romance and refuse to acknowledge that from the evidence it is an NTR fest with 3 out of 4 scenes without MC. At least at first.

Lastly, I want to be short here, so i'll try.
NOBODY cares about a wife having sex with her husband. It's innocuous since we don't engage with it. However, if you show us/give us the option to see or even tell us, then it's no longer innocuous. It's seedy and gross because she's a love interest of ours in a ROMANCE game! If you decided to show us random scenes of women having sex, cool. BUT, if those same women will be romantically linked to us and even worse we KNOW it's gonna happen, it's NTR. No question. Also, they are on the Front cover man...

Also, as an NTR hater, I don't give a shit if the girlfriend cheated on MC at the beginning, but don't fucking show it. Us "vanilla" players don't like it, but we aren't fucking children either. Example: if your plot contains making a character eat shit as revenge, I wouldn't be mad if you chose NOT to show it. Same thing here.
(sorry about the language but it gets frustrating that everyone thinks that if we don't want our LI's getting dicked down by another dude we're "vanilla."

Have a nice day, good luck. I'll check back maybe one more time, but I hope you can see that YOU (universal You) aren't always right. I learned that the hard way :(
But i know it now :)
What you said is true is not only words its vanilla lovers voices :)
 

Kalsan

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Which is why I think a few people might be going a bit too hard on him. Now that I look at it from this perspective I think the dev has every intention of making a harem game but like you said just went overboard. And considering English isn't his first language a lot is probably lost in translation which might be why it wasn't tagged NTR in the first place. I think a lot of us may have jumped the gun a bit, as other devs have jaded us. Hopefully he might consider a revamp.
Hopefully a full revamp will occur, but it is highly unlikely, the developer is in a state of denial. The typical justification of a kid "it's not my fault it's the teacher who hates me for no reason" led to "it's not my fault it's the ntr haters who hate me for no reason". Hahaha
 
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EZ8lt

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I tried to be patient with this game, I really did, but this the third update and it is still a fucking unsalvagable shitshow that doesn't even makes the smallest effort to become anything decent. First version had the "gf" getting dp-d while he stood there like a beta bitch, then getting some sloppy seconds as a consolation price. Then it turns out that for the exception of one, every fucking supposedly main girl is nothing but an "slut" and also an antag, although I guess it's just time before it turns out Dana was like that all along as well. The game encourages you to reconnect with the bitch from the first version, because I guess learning a lesson is overrated.

There's the bonus content, which should be something good given the name, instead, the content for update 2 was a story of one of the easy girls of how she sucked her off her boss, and the end of the saidevent? MC passes out drunk and nothing happens, great reward. Main character is completely stupid, that's how the bitch that fucks the uncle, something he knows by the way, could trick and drug him then stole his work. Also one of the supposed main girls.

So no, nothing saves this from being a shitshow, NTR or not. The storytelling is a trainwreck, the renders are mediocre are best, the mechanic is shit.
 

Norman Knight

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Well, on the plus side, it does make for an hilarious read :ROFLMAO: People are cursing the dev and the game and vow to never play it,yet the same ones keep coming back and back, responding with walls of text to convince other random internet peeps why they are right to be outraged. The facepalms to the moderator who asked to keep the discussion civil had me in stitches.
so what's all the ntr shitshow about?
are basement dwellers getting angry and saying there's NTR because one of the characters talked to a male that wasn't the self insert or is it actual NTR?
And here is why we can never have an actual discussion, there's always the "Funny Guy" whose only contribution is sarcastic comments that only sound funny in his head.

There's several comments explaining the situation, if you can't even be bothered to read, then I don't know why you even bother to comment, we are trying to see if this game can be improved and we are actually offering suggestions and analysis instead of just insulting the dev, if you don't care about it then let the grown ups keep their discussion yeah?;)
 
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Ursus4321

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Which is why I think a few people might be going a bit too hard on him. Now that I look at it from this perspective I think the dev has every intention of making a harem game but like you said just went overboard. And considering English isn't his first language a lot is probably lost in translation which might be why it wasn't tagged NTR in the first place. I think a lot of us may have jumped the gun a bit, as other devs have jaded us. Hopefully he might consider a revamp.
The translation could be guilty if it was a story told. The problem is that we see how the li fuck with others. Nobody tells us, we see it and in the view there is no possibility of a translation problem
 
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MayJames

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This might sound strange. I wasnt going to dl the game for no special reason, but I just saw the 2,5 Stars and its way too good looking for that kinda review... so i wanna know and follow up here
 

Deleted member 2412505

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Ah yes thank you they like "ALL" the harem / romance / incest yeah you are right "not a difficult concept" :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:. For me, for example, I don't like harem and a little less incest, I never complained because a dev forgot to put the tag
if i don't like i change the game.)

To check what I'm saying you just have to look at all the posts where there is the ntr tag to see that it cries every time avoidable or not.
Tags like harem, romance, incest attracts way more people than ntr. And it's generally assumed games that has all these tags if by any chance does has ntr, it's always avoidable. So why would devs hide these tags. You won't find any top games messing with these tags. But will find many games messing or being vague about tags like ntr, swinging sandbox etcetera.
 

Deleted member 2412505

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So I just finished the update and it was..... disappointing? I don't know anymore

First, it was short, there wasn't a lot happening.

What did happen was that MC is taking some diction classes to improve his way of talking to people, so I guess the dev is trying to make the MC less of a beta? It seems he is trying, but I just.......I don't care, after the first two updates I don't have a reason to care that he is trying to be better, I didn't care for him at first and I can't muster the will to care for him now.

Second, there are no sex scenes here, like at all, which is weird seen as the previous episodes there was fucking all over the place.

The last part its a date with Alla, remember her? The girl fucking her boss at the office? Well in this little date she is a sweet and naive and oh so good girl, then why did she fuck the boss? Plot reason.

Overall, this was a boring update, I think the dev is trying to over-correct the previous updates by making this all about the MC and his grown as a person, but after the shitshow of the previous updates will anyone care? I didn't, the English is still in need of correction.
So mc still went on a date the girl that just fucked his uncle in his office?! And he didn't question or show any uneasiness?
 
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