No.
While I am on discord, I don’t think I’ll ever make a server. Between my job and working on this VN, I don’t want the extra workload in having to mod/maintain a server.
- Thread starter Zivairs
- Start date
While I am on discord, I don’t think I’ll ever make a server. Between my job and working on this VN, I don’t want the extra workload in having to mod/maintain a server.
- Aug 3, 2019
- 7
- 16
Understandable, although you mentioned going fulltime when reaching 50 patreons, perhaps you could create a discord then?
it would be quite nice for those who don't really use patreon and it would most likely be a lot nicer to be able to speak to the people who enjoy your game instead of having to post on here, just a suggestion. Also, is there an ETA for the next chapter?
Not going fulltime, my job has my fulltime, but I’ll give it all of my free time. Currently, I only work on this VN on the weekends and one or two evenings. All of my evenings and days off will be allocated towards it, if I ever reach fifty. And yes, I may start a channel/sever at that point. If people want it.
The next Chapter? As in Chapter Four? I should finish up Chapter Three before I give a release date on Chapter Four.
If you are asking for Chapter Three ETA, I am trying for the Fifteenth.
- Jul 13, 2017
- 314
- 309
I don't know. I haven't seen a link for it yet, either here or on patreon (at $5 tier). When the full chapter drops I'll see if my saves from the modified (by me) version work and let you know. Maybe it's because I'm using a basic text editor to modify the script.rpy file. I can modify the options.rpy*, and can even add in a custom .rpy** without any problem.
* I like to use variable viewer to see which choices actually impact the overall story without having to play through many times
** to prevent renpy's accessibility menu from popping up every time I type "a"
- Dec 29, 2018
- 443
- 2,662
I was really hoping that this would be a story first and porn second type of a game. That was certainly first impression I got from it, but this last update sure went the opposite way.
It felt like the author wanted to make a lesbian orgy and just decided to stuff it in the game somehow, story be damned. There was no way to make the characters do it naturally, so it had to be a dream sequence. Which is something many of these game do in order to keep the audience happy while they wait for the real events to happen later in the game. But those dreams are usually placed where there is a lull in the story, not wedged into the middle of the most dramatic event in the game so far where it completely breaks the flow of the story.
All this talk about how the author had considered dropping Alvara also has me worried. It's great that she's going to stay, but the fact that dropping her was ever considered as a possibility is puzzling. She has been in the game for quite a while now, has an established role in the plot, close ties to the main character, and there are several moments in the game that seem to hint towards a possible romance between them. Lillian teases Alvara at one point over some sort of oath your mother swore that has Alvara hoping for a 'fruitful' meeting. Alvara makes heart shaped pancakes for you, she is happy to be around you, and she begs to not be sent away again. Losing Alvara would've been a real shame, doubly so since the author still had the time to add an annoying side character like Avaron that takes time away from the interesting and well rounded ones that are already well established in the game.
It felt like the author wanted to make a lesbian orgy and just decided to stuff it in the game somehow, story be damned. There was no way to make the characters do it naturally, so it had to be a dream sequence. Which is something many of these game do in order to keep the audience happy while they wait for the real events to happen later in the game. But those dreams are usually placed where there is a lull in the story, not wedged into the middle of the most dramatic event in the game so far where it completely breaks the flow of the story.
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content.
Log in or register now.
All this talk about how the author had considered dropping Alvara also has me worried. It's great that she's going to stay, but the fact that dropping her was ever considered as a possibility is puzzling. She has been in the game for quite a while now, has an established role in the plot, close ties to the main character, and there are several moments in the game that seem to hint towards a possible romance between them. Lillian teases Alvara at one point over some sort of oath your mother swore that has Alvara hoping for a 'fruitful' meeting. Alvara makes heart shaped pancakes for you, she is happy to be around you, and she begs to not be sent away again. Losing Alvara would've been a real shame, doubly so since the author still had the time to add an annoying side character like Avaron that takes time away from the interesting and well rounded ones that are already well established in the game.
I am incredibly flattered that you enjoyed the story, that you feel this strongly about this last update. With that said:
‘Story be damned’? The hell? I said in a past post back in Aug that there was going to be a fiery-red haired Goddess making an appearance. ‘No way to make the characters do it naturally, so it had to be a dream sequence.’ Yes, it did, because I haven’t given you a choice whether you want it to happen or not. Yes, it was thrown in at a dramatic point, but at this point in the Story, I would hope you guys know that most of the Gods/Goddess don’t give a shit when/where something they want to happen takes place.
Yes, I did consider removing Alvara because I wanted everyone to know that the MC does not like to be used. Could I have achieved this by just removing only Lillian? No, Lillian only showed up for a small part, whereas Alvara was there for far more(as you’ve already mentioned.) So removing Alvara would have had a more significant impact on the reader. But yes, my girlfriend stepped in and made me stick with my original plot design for her. Which I don’t mind, I think(hope) people will enjoy it.
‘Story be damned’? The hell? I said in a past post back in Aug that there was going to be a fiery-red haired Goddess making an appearance. ‘No way to make the characters do it naturally, so it had to be a dream sequence.’ Yes, it did, because I haven’t given you a choice whether you want it to happen or not. Yes, it was thrown in at a dramatic point, but at this point in the Story, I would hope you guys know that most of the Gods/Goddess don’t give a shit when/where something they want to happen takes place.
Yes, I did consider removing Alvara because I wanted everyone to know that the MC does not like to be used. Could I have achieved this by just removing only Lillian? No, Lillian only showed up for a small part, whereas Alvara was there for far more(as you’ve already mentioned.) So removing Alvara would have had a more significant impact on the reader. But yes, my girlfriend stepped in and made me stick with my original plot design for her. Which I don’t mind, I think(hope) people will enjoy it.
- Jul 10, 2017
- 21,614
- 26,637
- Dec 29, 2018
- 443
- 2,662
But was there anything in the game that hinted at her existence? I generally avoid reading every post for fear of spoilers, and instead primarily stick to just playing the game. So the new character came completely out of nowhere for me, and far more importantly, I was very much engrossed in the story when she showed up and derailed it. I was dying to know what was going on with Sammy, and then everything grinds to a halt to introduce a brand new character and then we are forced to watch them have a really creepy imaginary orgy about the people we know and care about.
Sure, I get that, but writers generally do care about when/where something they want to happen takes place. Take Marena as an example. She is first mentioned by Sammy, and you build a glam for her in the first episode. She shows up later and has a few different scenes where she flirts with the main character, we see a glimps of her true form as she helps the main character out, and eventually you get an invitation to her place. Imagine if Marena were never mentioned before until the party. Players would be confused. They'd be thinking "wait, Sammy has a sister?", and wondering what all this talk about making a glam was about. Sure, you'd still get a sex scene with a hot orc gal, but there would be no anticipation, and no attachment to the character because she would have none of the scenes that established her character.
I enjoy trying to piece together the past through the flashbacks of Zoe and your family, and I like the ongoing stories involving your friends and co-workers, but that new character's scene felt like a piece of fan-fiction had somehow been put into the game. There was no build up to it and it doesn't fit in with the rest of the story at all. I mean, the scene ended with the established characters asking who the new person was, and the main character tells them that there isn't any time to explain. It had an abrupt start, an abrupt end, and I spent the whole time wishing that it wasn't there at all so that I could get back to the main story.
- Dec 29, 2018
- 443
- 2,662
I may have been wrong the other day when I said that Soteria would be the logical choice to assist the Archon in the latest update. I got to thinking about it, and while it is true that she has an established backstory that includes helping the Archon in the past, and it was shown that she has long term plans for him in the future, I can't recall if the game specifically said that the she had healing powers. So perhaps she isn't the best choice after all.
Kelyera might actually be a better fit because we saw how she healed her father. She could even provide an in-game reason for the incredibly ill-timed sex scene due to the fact that she is a succubus and it's how she gains power. And she can alter the dreams of others, as she did when she altered the Archon's dreams when she had sex with him as he slept. But most importantly of all, she has a reason to help. The Archon helped not only her, but also her parents.
What little background we have about the new character doesn't compare favorably to that of Kelyera or Soteria. The game tells us that Avaron only agreed to help him previously because Soteria called in a debt, which means that she has no reason to help him this time. Worse yet, it is also established that the Archon cheated her in the past, so she actually has a reason not to help at all. Gods and Goddesses do tend to be incredibly vindictive after all, so on top of all the issues that come with adding a brand new character into a game with a ton of established characters (including at least two that could fill her role easily), the new character's own background suggests that she shouldn't even be there at all.
Avaron makes the game worse. She interrupts the most dramatic event in the game to go off on a random tangent, she doesn't fit into the story, she takes up valuable time that could be used to expand on any number of established characters, and to top it all off, she's an annoying bitch. I'm completely baffled as to why she's in this game at all. The absolute last thing this game needs is someone like Avaron to be added into it.
So many games have fallen into the trap of expanding too far and their creators end up having to either cut characters out or end up abandoning the project before it can be completed. This game already had more than enough going on to make a great game. There's the Archon's past with Zoe, the upcoming conflict with the vampires, Lillian has plans for the Archon, Soteria has plans for the Archon, even the Archon's dead mother has some plans for him. And there's still more to come because there are characters like Ophelia who are already important to the story despite not actually making an appearance yet. Then there's everything going on with the Archon's friends. Elizabeth has her problems with her betrothed, as well as whatever it is that Soteria hinted at about her becoming a priestess. Alvara has some secrets from you that have been partially exposed but not yet expanded on. There are branching paths for Vanessa, Sammy, Marena, and Kelyera. This game has a ton of stuff going on, and it can very easily bloat out of control. Adding unnecessary new characters is a recipe for disaster.
Kelyera might actually be a better fit because we saw how she healed her father. She could even provide an in-game reason for the incredibly ill-timed sex scene due to the fact that she is a succubus and it's how she gains power. And she can alter the dreams of others, as she did when she altered the Archon's dreams when she had sex with him as he slept. But most importantly of all, she has a reason to help. The Archon helped not only her, but also her parents.
What little background we have about the new character doesn't compare favorably to that of Kelyera or Soteria. The game tells us that Avaron only agreed to help him previously because Soteria called in a debt, which means that she has no reason to help him this time. Worse yet, it is also established that the Archon cheated her in the past, so she actually has a reason not to help at all. Gods and Goddesses do tend to be incredibly vindictive after all, so on top of all the issues that come with adding a brand new character into a game with a ton of established characters (including at least two that could fill her role easily), the new character's own background suggests that she shouldn't even be there at all.
Avaron makes the game worse. She interrupts the most dramatic event in the game to go off on a random tangent, she doesn't fit into the story, she takes up valuable time that could be used to expand on any number of established characters, and to top it all off, she's an annoying bitch. I'm completely baffled as to why she's in this game at all. The absolute last thing this game needs is someone like Avaron to be added into it.
So many games have fallen into the trap of expanding too far and their creators end up having to either cut characters out or end up abandoning the project before it can be completed. This game already had more than enough going on to make a great game. There's the Archon's past with Zoe, the upcoming conflict with the vampires, Lillian has plans for the Archon, Soteria has plans for the Archon, even the Archon's dead mother has some plans for him. And there's still more to come because there are characters like Ophelia who are already important to the story despite not actually making an appearance yet. Then there's everything going on with the Archon's friends. Elizabeth has her problems with her betrothed, as well as whatever it is that Soteria hinted at about her becoming a priestess. Alvara has some secrets from you that have been partially exposed but not yet expanded on. There are branching paths for Vanessa, Sammy, Marena, and Kelyera. This game has a ton of stuff going on, and it can very easily bloat out of control. Adding unnecessary new characters is a recipe for disaster.
It’s complicated, Soteria is a Goddess of safety/salvation which is why she protects/protected the MC from his family for eight years. And deliverance from harm, just not Self-Harm. Which is why she refused/couldn’t heal the MC.
Kelyera wouldn’t have been logical, the wounds the MC self-inflicted on himself are divine. Her healing, much like Lillian’s wouldn’t have been adequate. Lillian healed the MC but not entirely, the reason why he walked around with a bandage for a few days and the reason why he is in this mess, to begin with. Instead of healing, he(you) chose to showoff against Ishida.
With the desperate situation he was in. He knew he would need better/complete healing. As he would now have to fight to save/get his friend(s) back, so he called on Avaron. A true Goddess of healing, I didn’t reveal her much because doing so would have shown more of the MC’s past before I was ready.
Avaron does hold a grudge, yes, because both the MC and Soteria lied about who/what he is. Should she have helped him? No, she should have just ignored him if she could. I’ve sort of explained it in the Short-Story and some of the Main VN…
In my story world, Taboo is bad for the Gods/Goddess. So Avaron, a Goddess of healing couldn’t ignore/not help the MC when he sincerely prayed to her for help. Yes, she was still mad. So instead of not helping and hurting herself later on because of Taboo, she took ‘Payment’ and demanded knowledge of what the MC is.
Kelyera wouldn’t have been logical, the wounds the MC self-inflicted on himself are divine. Her healing, much like Lillian’s wouldn’t have been adequate. Lillian healed the MC but not entirely, the reason why he walked around with a bandage for a few days and the reason why he is in this mess, to begin with. Instead of healing, he(you) chose to showoff against Ishida.
With the desperate situation he was in. He knew he would need better/complete healing. As he would now have to fight to save/get his friend(s) back, so he called on Avaron. A true Goddess of healing, I didn’t reveal her much because doing so would have shown more of the MC’s past before I was ready.
Avaron does hold a grudge, yes, because both the MC and Soteria lied about who/what he is. Should she have helped him? No, she should have just ignored him if she could. I’ve sort of explained it in the Short-Story and some of the Main VN…
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content.
Log in or register now.
In my story world, Taboo is bad for the Gods/Goddess. So Avaron, a Goddess of healing couldn’t ignore/not help the MC when he sincerely prayed to her for help. Yes, she was still mad. So instead of not helping and hurting herself later on because of Taboo, she took ‘Payment’ and demanded knowledge of what the MC is.
- Dec 29, 2018
- 443
- 2,662
So why the line about how she only helped previously because she was indebted to Soteria?
Why is her payment some awkward sex scene that breaks the flow of the game?
Why put her in the game now if you can't explain her presence without revealing too much of the main character's past?
Why can Soteria heal his wounds, but not his self-inflicted wounds?
This just feels like a bunch of technicalities that make things more complicated than they need to be. I wouldn't have questioned Soteria healing the player, or Kelyera patching him up enough to drag him to saftey so they could get a proper healer later, but having a brand new character pop up out of nowhere and immediately launch into a dreamworld orgy while your best friend is in dire peril was extremely weird and it pulled me right out of the game. Even with the explanations given here, it still feels like orgy was the main priority and the story was an afterthought.
I guess I'll just stick to the other path form now on, and hope for the best.
I thought that was self-explanatory, I guess not. ‘He Sincerely prayed to her for help.’ He didn’t pray to her before but was brought to her by Soteria.
A lot of Gods/Goddesses take sex as payment in their respected Mythos(Min, Baron Samedi, Teicu, Tiacapan, Tlaco. And many more.) and they don’t care when/where it happens. As the writer, could I have changed that? Sure, but I need to find that balance of letting my Characters act the way I wrote them and maintain the pace/flow of the Story. In your eyes, I failed. In others, it wasn’t bad. But I have to keep trying and learning.
I put her in because there is a gathering of the Gods/Goddesses taking place. You’ll be seeing more unknown faces showing up, I was at least putting some names to faces. Evidently, you didn’t like it so much, well you are really not going to like it when more unknowns show up.
Outside of repentance, most faiths don’t condone self-harm. Is it so hard to believe that Soteria wouldn’t heal the MC because he is doing it to himself by not accepting what he is?
I understand you didn’t like it, I knew not everyone was going to. That’s why it was avoidable if you wanted the story, there is a path for it, if you wanted a bit of both eye candy and story, there is a path for that too.
- Apr 25, 2017
- 126
- 174
Zivairs
Not to step on any toes or anything but honestly introducing new characters that weren't mentioned before isn't anything new, there can never be a backstory for every character -->before<-- they appear, it really depends on the story, for example if you have read the Witcher books some of the characters appear out of nowhere then author adds bits of history here and there along the way and made them whole, now this may seem sudden to some people and get reactions like
"What the hell?! who the hell is this guy?! out of which stone did he/she crawled out of????!!!!"
but think about it like this we have been missing 8 years of MC's life, 8 years is alot and if he had dealings with Soteria and those three goddesses in short story(that is when he started the club) then he had dealing with others too or at least met other gods/goddesses.
-----------------
"Why can Soteria heal his wounds, but not his self-inflicted wounds?"
quite simple, Soteria isn't goddess of healing...remember that each god in greek pantheon had a specialty ,god of war, god of fertility, god of light , etc none of them had power over everything they each had a domain of power and this shows just that.
one book that showcases this is (Iron Druid by Kevin Hearne) read it if you want, really good
-------------------
"Why put her in the game now if you can't explain her presence without revealing too much of the main character's past?"
one simple word to explain this is Foreshadowing what is foreshadowing? this is what writers do to develop expectations about the coming events in a story.
-------------------
as for that orgy thing you said(personally i didn't go that route....yet xD) but dude that was a goddess if nothing else they have little power to warp time and space so the place and time for that orgy didn't matter because it wouldn't interfere with whatever MC was doing at the time...(and of course she kinda did it out of spite?)
Last edited:
- Aug 5, 2019
- 1,339
- 2,445
Zivairs
The Worst thing at the moment of your schedule date of the 15th is that. That also is the date of Star wars fallen order ima have to delay fallen order to play this first
The Worst thing at the moment of your schedule date of the 15th is that. That also is the date of Star wars fallen order ima have to delay fallen order to play this first
I’ve been out of the AAA gaming news for a long time it seems, I didn’t even know that was going to be released this year. I hear it’s going to have an excellent story, you don’t have to put my amateur writing skills before those professionals. I appreciate the ego boost, however.
- Oct 15, 2018
- 2,588
- 7,607
- Apr 25, 2017
- 126
- 174
Wish this was a AAA game to be honest i would love a rpg game with this story...I’ve been out of the AAA gaming news for a long time it seems, I didn’t even know that was going to be released this year. I hear it’s going to have an excellent story, you don’t have to put my amateur writing skills before those professionals. I appreciate the ego boost, however.
It always makes me happy when someone enjoys my VN, especially so when that someone is a Writer/Dev themselves.Enjoyed this considerably. Love the variety (girls/options) and the setting. Paetron +1 (I might suggest you offer more tiers for patronage though, higher and lower). Looking forward to more.
As for Tiers, I may start offering them (1,3,5) this coming new year. Work always slows down because of the Snow/Cold, and I’ll have more free time to be able to offer a bit more than just a VN.
I don’t see the necessity for a Walk-through, but that could just be because I am writing this VN, lol. If people really want one, then I have no problem making one.
- Apr 25, 2017
- 126
- 174
honestly till now walkthrough seems redundant, personally i don't think any game should be played with a walkthrough for the first time it just sucks the joy out of it, where is people's sense of adventure