RPGM Renryuu: Ascension [v24.07.05] [Naughty Netherpunch]

[Genji]

Pretty interesting update.There is no good or bad in this one.So I choose to support government.Rebellion is...
They literally kill everyone in the town(soldiers,innocent people) and it doesn't matter if the master good or bad,Blood splatter everywhere.Honestly if this happen in rl.There will be civil war and this Dorgania country will fall apart.

 

[Genji]

Killing everyone that support slavery and take over the country will never fix Slavery issues.They only make it worse than it already is.

 

[walkerjonny]

Hmm, I'd also like to see some quests in the future to help finding a solution for Dorgania's lack of natural resources. Maybe the Waterspirit, the Earthspirit and the Magicspirit could help there?
This could mitigate the troubles after the conflict due to the rebellion of the slaves.

 

[walkerjonny]

Pretty interesting update.There is no good or bad in this one.So I choose to support government.Rebellion is...
They literally kill everyone in the town(soldiers,innocent people) and it doesn't matter if the master good or bad,Blood splatter everywhere.Honestly if this happen in rl.There will be civil war and this Dorgania country will fall apart.

It isn't a given that a country has to fall apart due to such a conflict. You're assuming that the slaves want revenge. But often they just want their freedom and justice. There's no need to kill everyone supporting slavery. Just force them into accepting the new environment, maybe with a carrot and stick approach to make it easier for them. Otherwise you won't be better than the former government.

As for Dorgania - their heir is quite a shallow dick so far. Maybe he will make things just worse. Furthermore right now you don't have any clear commitment and timeframe from the king himself except for the statement that at some time in the future he wants to implement some laws that should make life easier for the slaves. But that still won't end slavery itself. So right now and even in the future the slaves would be the ones who suffer - up to being severely wounded, crippled and killed.
There's a saying for a good reason: Better an end with horror than horror without an end. At least for me a society that is built upon slavery and cannot survive without it isn't worth protecting. I view every human being as equal of worth. And therefore everyone deserves to be treated based on the same standards and to have the chance to live a decent life - no exceptions by default. Right now the slavers and slave owners are guilty of violating this very principle. There is nothing that justifies that some people should have a life in luxury based on the suffering of others. So if those people have to suffer themselves for certain amount of time this is justifiable.

I hope that Ryen takes into account that Dorgania has a quite strong military right now. So in case of a rebellion the military needs to be convinced somehow to stay out of the conflict or to support the slaves. Otherwise the rebellion could end up becoming very bloody.
I honestly liked the solution for Amagal a lot because it came without a lot of bloodshed. So I'd like to see a smart solution for Dorgania, too.

 

[MiKaEl90]

Don't sweat it fam Knowing Ren, I'm pretty sure that abusing slaves will be an option in the future if you so desire to satisfy your dark fantasies (as long as they stay confined to fantasy >_<)

After all, we got a dungeon in the castle and plenty of other scenes to set the precedent.

I'm pretty sure I don't have enough money to build a dungeon and turn the show into reality.

It's just that the population that is already set for this scenario isn't getting the bad treatment or the good ending they deserve. The options presented are actually very close to a real life scenario where they could end up bad in either case. Yes, I realize what I'm saying but that's just it, this is in essence... a porn game.

But like you've said, this hasn't really unlocked anything so far and we still don't know the possible outcomes of some of the slaves.

 

[wraith17]

Starting the game after 2 years. Can anyone tell me who should I give love potion to? I just got one from the academy.

 

[KingFuzzy]

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another thing is, given we can one day go to war with everyone and possibly conquer them, if you already have slavery in your kingdom, but help the rebellion and than take over the nation, who knows what the dev would do to balance all that out lol.

i forget if we had a thing to specify slavery terms, like if we made it a requirement to actually care for your slaves or not.

 

[walkerjonny]

another thing is, given we can one day go to war with everyone and possibly conquer them, if you already have slavery in your kingdom, but help the rebellion and than take over the nation, who knows what the dev would do to balance all that out lol.

i forget if we had a thing to specify slavery terms, like if we made it a requirement to actually care for your slaves or not.

Well, that should lead to troubles within the own kingdom then, at least after a successful rebellion. No decision without it's consequences... No one asked you to allow slavery.
I'd also like to see your teammates turning against you when you focus on going down an evil path. For example, it won't make any sense for Brad to stay with you if you throw everyone you get your hands on into your private prison to rape and torture them.
If you don't prove to be better than your brother then why should anyone support you in the end when he returns with the titans?

 

[walkerjonny]

Hmm, so I went for the Rebellion path obviously.
I didn't like what happened in Sunee. A certain part went too far.
In my opinion Ryen should deal with that. Killing everyone is not a good solution on the long run, especially not if the slaves themselves do not agree. The rebellion needs to adapt to that or the whole thing will become way to bloody.
In the end the rebels, the slaves and the (former) slave owners have to find a way to live together afterwards.
If some slaves were treated well by their masters and want to stay with them then this is their decision. They should simply change their relationship into an employer - employee one. The former masters should be allowed to offer their former slaves to live with and work for them like they did before as long as they want based on a contract and in exchange for a fair salary and also some free time.

 

[KingFuzzy]

Is there any way for the MC to impregnate Ash instead of Brad?

No.

shit, i do not want to help Brad get a girl. here i thought we were playing pokemon harem version. also it would be funny to me to see brads reaction with the mc just swaggering on in and taking a girl he likes, the mc does check all her requirments after all

 

[Genji]

Hmm, so I went for the Rebellion path obviously.
I didn't like what happened in Sunee. A certain part went too far.
In my opinion Ryen should deal with that. Killing everyone is not a good solution on the long run, especially not if the slaves themselves do not agree. The rebellion needs to adapt to that or the whole thing will become way to bloody.
In the end the rebels, the slaves and the (former) slave owners have to find a way to live together afterwards.
If some slaves were treated well by their masters and want to stay with them then this is their decision. They should simply change their relationship into an employer - employee one. The former masters should be allowed to offer their former slaves to live with and work for them like they did before as long as they want based on a contract and in exchange for a fair salary and also some free time.

Thats what I said,the rebels don't think too much further and unnecessarily kill.Also,there is immigrant problem in the future if war ever break out.Also,they just make more problem than before if they take down government.Play both part and you know which one is a better option

 

[Genji]

shit, i do not want to help Brad get a girl. here i thought we were playing pokemon harem version. also it would be funny to me to see brads reaction with the mc just swaggering on in and taking a girl he likes, the mc does check all her requirments after all

Dude -_-

 

[KingFuzzy]

Dude -_-

what? not my fault her requirement for a guy to steal her heart is literally what Ryen already does, and he has been doing it since the start of the game. shit his popularity is probably at 50 for all he has done in that nation already.

 

[walkerjonny]

Thats what I said,the rebels don't think too much further and unnecessarily kill.Also,there is immigrant problem in the future if war ever break out.Also,they just make more problem than before if they take down government.Play both part and you know which one is a better option

Hmm, that's actually quite sad to see. Because to me that kind of message is wrong.
Some things you can't simply accept. You need to deal with them as soon as possible. This sends the message that the government "knows" best and therefore can continue to force a large amount of its citizens into suffering for god knows how long, just to maintain a certain kind of "peace". No government should be allowed to act like that.
So, honestly I would say Ryen didn't get enough information beforehand about the rebels. Also, I would've liked to see him and his group interfering in Sunee right on the spot. The goal was to free the slaves and not to go onto a senseless killing spree.
Maybe I'll really try to test out the other path, too. But I really don't like this approach because at least for now that looks like giving a free pass for slavery with all the rape, torture and killing that is connected to it and I'm simply not ok with that just like I'm not ok with going on a senseless killing spree in the name of "justice".

 

[KingFuzzy]

Hmm, that's actually quite sad to see. Because to me that kind of message is wrong.
Some things you can't simply accept. You need to deal with them as soon as possible. This sends the message that the government "knows" best and therefore can continue to force a large amount of its citizens into suffering for god knows how long, just to maintain a certain kind of "peace". No government should be allowed to act like that.
So, honestly I would say Ryen didn't get enough information beforehand about the rebels. Also, I would've liked to see him and his group interfering in Sunee right on the spot. The goal was to free the slaves and not to go onto a senseless killing spree.
Maybe I'll really try to test out the other path, too. But I really don't like this approach because at least for now that looks like giving a free pass for slavery with all the rape, torture and killing that is connected to it and I'm simply not ok with that just like I'm not ok with going on a senseless killing spree in the name of "justice".

i have not gotten that far yet, i pretty much ignored the game for a year and am playing catch up. but by my guessing the message is "both sides at this point are in the wrong", and when we can wage war Ryen will be able to take over.

my Ryen allows slavery, and by my guessing the slave system for Central is different than it is for Dorgania.

 

[HoneyLibido]

Is my understanding correct that the artwork varies wildly from scene to scene or is there consistency in the same style?

 

[RyenSaotome]

About the rebellion events:
You need to keep in mind that Ryen does not rule over Dorgania, nor is he leading the rebellion. Therefore his options to interfere are limited. It's not so easy as to say "that's how the problem could be solved", because he is not in the positon to do whatever he wants.
During the assault on Sunee, when you're playing on the side of the rebels, Ryen and his group are standing guard in front of the village. They don't see the violence against the citizens from their position. They might hear about it later, but at that moment, they're clueless about it.
When you side with the government, Ryen talks with Sinrul in private, so neither Brad nor the other party members know what he is doing yet.

Is my understanding correct that the artwork varies wildly from scene to scene or is there consistency in the same style?

There are a handful of artists that worked on the CGs over the years, so yes, the artstyle and quality of the images can vary.

 

[fun893247]

any full save for the current version?

 

[walkerjonny]

About the rebellion events:
You need to keep in mind that Ryen does not rule over Dorgania, nor is he leading the rebellion. Therefore his options to interfere are limited. It's not so easy as to say "that's how the problem could be solved", because he is not in the positon to do whatever he wants.
During the assault on Sunee, when you're playing on the side of the rebels, Ryen and his group are standing guard in front of the village. They don't see the violence against the citizens from their position. They might hear about it later, but at that moment, they're clueless about it.
When you side with the government, Ryen talks with Sinrul in private, so neither Brad nor the other party members know what he is doing yet.


There are a handful of artists that worked on the CGs over the years, so yes, the artstyle and quality of the images can vary.

Well, I understand what you're saying here. But still - Ryen should keep an eye out on what is happening out there. Sure, he doesn't rule over Dorgania. But that doesn't mean that he hasn't any way to intervene. Maybe, if someone gives him a hint he can look into the situation. And there is still the option to stop supporting the rebels and if necessary to threaten them with exposing them if they keep going on a senseless rampage. I don't think the rebels want to lose his support or risk being exposed.
As I said earlier I prefer a smart solution here if anyhow possible.

 

[Brok TheDog]

Honestly I hate it when some people give us crap walkthroughs like this one, it's like they don't do anything. I'll give you an example.

Golden Cross Request (Quest no.51)
The priest of the church in Aldlyn requests golden crosses.
Quest location: Obtained from the city board in Aldlyn.
Reward: 4000 gold

OOOOkkkk, I already know that the priest is looking for golden crosses, but where do we find them, it's to give us this kind of information that we watch a walkthrough, not to read back the information of the quest.

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