VN Ren'Py Riff [Ch.1] [Darkside_games]

[Beast Within]

no one pressured me for anything, I just try to please everyone with the avoidable ntr.

ah ok. my apologies then cause thats what I got from what you said.

a friendly info share, because usually the advise you might see is " dev do your thing" which more often than not, does more damage than good.

ntr, avoidable or not, will make its way up there in the tags at some point. and your target audience, which seems to be Harem players ( I assume?), by default, filter that shit out.

which means, harem players will not even see your game. it doesnt matter HOW you add it in the game.
I can assure you that at this moment, your game has been added to the ignore list of way too many harem players just because you mentioned it.

and this is not an opinion. this is a fact. if you do not believe me, roam around a bit and see for yourself.
now I wont try to convince you. I share this only as info. if you trully believe that it is a must in your game then go ahead and add it. just be certain on what the consequences will be.

personaly my confusion comes from you not even liking that crap. I mean, it should not be the story that creates the fetishes, but you.
If for example, you do not like men sucking eachother's dicks for example, you wouldnt write brokeback mountain and then say " weeeell, I do not like gay... but the story asks for it... sooo.. I will put it in"

you will have to imagine, write, setup and render those scenes ( and then make them avoidable !? )

thats my two cents. I wont take more of your time.

stay healthy first and foremost.

 

[fishbrain]

no one pressured me for anything, I just try to please everyone with the avoidable ntr.

You'll never please everyone. Just make the game you want to make. I'm not typically a fan of harem or NTR but I've seen enough to know they definitely don't go together very well.

 

[nighthawk1275]

I mean couldn't the MC sue the shit out of these idiots but yet does nothing not too realistic, Yet it is a porn game so there's that lol... wish you luck.

 

[Juerhullycin]

 

[fajiker145]

they still do not understand that it is avoidable and remember that in the musical environment all of this is seen

I dont think you understand that people dont care that its avoidable, my dude. They can just as easily just avoid the whole game and go to the other thousands already here, with new ones coming out every day to follow/support.

There's countless reasons why harem+ntr doesn't work like LIs acting like deranged sluts, thus imposible to respect them, vibe of the game changing, long development times only to get small content + content you hate, the game ultimately revolving around ntr because it always does that when it gets added, etc,etc,etc.

But dont let the comments discourage you from adding it since you already let everyone know and you clearly want to add it, despite "not being into" (why they always lie like that, its clear you are into if you are putting hours and hours into making that content)

Anyway, I would just suggest you put it in the OP under planned tags. That way people know its coming, both ntr fans and people who dont bother with games that have it.

 

[ArunPrime]

plan harem in future, ntr possibly but avoidable has never really appealed to me.

future tags: incest, harem, drugs, violence, maybe ntr

Thanks for the words of encouragement, I understand what everyone says and I also know that you can never please everyone, personally I do not like the ntr but sometimes there is pressure from many but anyway you said it I am the dev and I will do what I think is right... so thanks I hope you liked what I have done so far.

no one pressured me for anything, I just try to please everyone with the avoidable ntr.

Am I reading correct in coloured posts???

Anyways, since you're making two games now, and you know what happens when you add this both in one game.

My advice is you need to make the decision from the start, go with one side focused on Harem or ntr.
In the middle of the game if you add ntr or removed, it's a mess.
You will disappoint both side of your supporters.

You can't satisfy both sides at the same time, it's always oil and water not mix.

In the end it's your choice you are the developer, good luck.....

 

[Chimba]

You are a man over 40 who is trying to get noticed in the music scene, but when your band begins to make a name for yourself you were fired because for everyone you are too old to play for young people,

The plot is kind of stupid, a person who is 40 years old, was the one who created the band, I'm pretty sure the first thing he would say when someone tells him that is LAWYER (I didn't test it completely, so maybe something like that has been said later), I guess there is also the issue of whether he is the writer of the songs if so I'm sure he could sue them for a lot more of money, but here the MC acts like a person who is 15 years old and is just starting out in the industry, no papers were signed, there was no money arrangement, nothing, the mc started yelling and trying to call one of the band, "Mtf answer the phone, you can't do this you idiots, mtfs", then he goes to his girlfriend's house I think and starts asking her about her brother, starts yelling and swearing again (seriously the first few minutes of reading the MC was just swearing ) btw she greets him with a suitcase, ends her relationship with him and leaves, then Mc in his house decides that the best thing to do is to get drunk...seriously is this MC supposed to be over 40 years old?

2 games at the same time or was the other one abandoned?

By the way I must say that I agree with some comments, if you don't like X content I think the best thing would be to avoid it for the simple fact that if you do something you don't like I don't think that content will turn out any good, much less the plots..

Either way reading these 2 pages, this thread will at least be entertaining

Good luck.

 

[xmilteach]

thx

 

[darksidecuriel]

Anyways, since you're making two games now, and you know what happens when you add this both in one game.

the other game will be updated next month.

 

[grim019]

ah well. art is good but I am not into ntr in whatever shape or form it is in the game. so I will just take my leave.

best of luck and best of health.

Yeah seeing that made me lose the interest I had in the game.

 

[zeus04]

 

[OhGodNotAgain]

no one pressured me for anything, I just try to please everyone with the avoidable ntr.

This is not going to get you above three supporters. Concentrate on your first game, put out consistent updates, maybe add a harem path and open a subscribestar.

 

[xXwankerXx]

The plot is kind of stupid, a person who is 40 years old, was the one who created the band, I'm pretty sure the first thing he would say when someone tells him that is LAWYER

there is also the issue of whether he is the writer of the songs if so I'm sure he could sue them for a lot more of money, but here the MC acts like a person who is 15 years old and is just starting out in the industry, no papers were signed, there was no money arrangement, nothing, the mc started yelling and trying to call one of the band, "Mtf answer the phone, you can't do this you idiots, mtfs"

then he goes to his girlfriend's house I think and starts asking her about her brother, starts yelling and swearing again (seriously the first few minutes of reading the MC was just swearing ) btw she greets him with a suitcase, ends her relationship with him and leaves

Mc in his house decides that the best thing to do is to get drunk...seriously is this MC supposed to be over 40 years old?

Damn right. You pointed out all the things that irked me too. The MC being a 40 yo almost-old fart should've known better what kinda persons those two 'friends' of his really were before trusting them so much wtih a potentially lucrative side hustle like that. You see how many actual friends you have only when you in desperate need of their help. Sadly for him, he had 0 of those and only acquaintances at best.

We agree again on the management of the band part of the story. So, either the dev intentionally left out some details about it or the MC really is a braindead waste of space on that fictional planet, since nobody would bother to put so much effort into something like a rock band that has the potential to become big without taking the necessary legal precautions like copyrighting his songs, image, performances and fuck knows what else musicians do. Not doing any of those cuz he supposedly trusted them and were friends is a very dumb choice, just like him getting his ass drunk to cope with the unsurprising betrayal was.

We gotta respect his woman's 'loyalty' tho. The next sec she found out MC's wannabe musician dream ended cuz of his own stupidity that was bound to bite him in the ass eventually, according to any normal, reasonable and sane person's logic, she went out that door without even looking back. I appreciate the dev's effort of capturing most modern women's loyalty and logic in one single shitty character that I'm sure will come back telling the MC how much she ALWAYS loooved him, if by some miracle he still becomes a famous musician.

I just hope we can hate-fuck the shit outta her and throw her ass out the window after we done using her holes for recreational purpose, the only thing backstabbing gold diggers like her are good for.

no one pressured me for anything, I just try to please everyone with the avoidable ntr.

Not a good idea, my G. It NEVER is one. You only 'please' everyone by not pleasing exactly everyone, if that makes any sense. To put it more accurately, you decide on a list of fetishes and stuff YOU personally and the audience you looking to attract to supporting your game like and you do your thing by delivering a good story with good sex scenes, a good development, some sweet romance/corruption, and enjoy the benefits of your hard work.

Don't let anyone pressure you into doing anything you don't like, be your own boss, cuz nobody could do that even if they wanted to, and you definitely should never mix harem with NTR for the reasons other users already mentioned and all the headaches that'll come your way for not being able to deliver worthwhile content for the ppl paying you to work on the game.

If you have questions about some things or there's anything you want to know more about from a fan's perspective, feel free to ask us, and we'll try to help you as best as we can, BUT only choose what YOU consider is good for your game and will attract the attention of as many fans and supporters as possible.

Good luck !!

 

[Lefty Southpaw]

A lot of the dialog gave me a headache. In the spoiler are examples, and some that are just flat out affronts to the English language. I know this is all translated from Spanish, but try having Google take the translation back to Spanish, and see if it makes sense. I don't think it will.

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Now if we can just convince you to drop the whole NTR thing. If you don't like it, don't do it. It'll save you from having to do a ton of work that you don't feel good doing.

 

[grahegri]

Sir Zemax o/

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[Juerhullycin]

Not a good idea, my G. It NEVER is one. You only 'please' everyone by not pleasing exactly everyone, if that makes any sense. To put it more accurately, you decide on a list of fetishes and stuff YOU personally and the audience you looking to attract to supporting your game like and you do your thing by delivering a good story with good sex scenes, a good development, some sweet romance/corruption, and enjoy the benefits of your hard work.

you probably search for the age old saying: a game (or insert what ever) for everyone, is a game (or insert what ever) for no one.

devs trying that just add enough stuff that everyone has something they hate enough to not bother with the game

 

[xapican]

Looks cool, I'll try It ! oh and to the "Harem macho anti NTR faction" speak for yourself, it is getting annoying in every therad you whimper, you say it is everyone ! just sayin.
Oh and NTR by definiton of the site or what kind of ?

 

[xapican]

darksidecuriel ; first of all congrats to the debut of your game ! good luck y mucha mierda !

just started this. the dialogue is my making my eyes bleed. you need to get a better translator for your dialogue. i assume you are not native english speaker, so i don't mean to be rude. just so many games made by non english speakers have awful translations. so try to do better. maybe i don't speak for everyone, but i am sure that players will enjoy the game more if the dialogue makes more sense.
however, i like the premise of the game, so good luck with it. and yes, i will keep playing it if i like it.

absolutly agree with Robrize2169 !
Just a few minutes into the game, and this is one I'll play in spanish, your writing is quite good, the translation shows that it is made with a translator software, I'll sugest you DeepL (bit better than google) if you don't want to spend in a translator;
Look for a good Proofreader, either with solid english gramar proeficiency, or a native englishspeaker with solid spanish
storywise it starts promising
abrazo

 

[YogSothoth1982]

they still do not understand that it is avoidable and remember that in the musical environment all of this is seen

It's fine that is avoidable, but the truth is that, in my opinion, it has to be very easily avoidable and under no circumstances should it give the feeling that the main scene is the NTR and that not choosing it is basically a concession so that those of us who don't like it don't complain.

Personally, the way I prefer to avoid the netorare and netorase is through an option that disables them and I don't even know that they exist in the game. That is, not only it doesn't happen, you don't even know where those scenes might be because the feeling is that the game doesn't contain NTR.

I also find it acceptable to use clear warnings that indicate whether an option leads to netorare or not. But the above should be applied regarding the feeling about the NTR.

On the other hand, the justification that you're going to include NTR because it's present in the music world is a cathedral-sized nonsense. You're going to include it because you want to (which isn't a bad thing), because if you didn't want to, there wouldn't be NTR in the game. The justification seems to be more of a way of convincing yourself that it's necessary than a real justification, since you can surely do the story perfectly without NTR if you really wanted to. Anyway, it's not like you need to justify it, but don't try to sell us as a justification something that really justifies nothing.

 

[darksidecuriel]

On the other hand, the justification that you're going to include NTR because it's present in the music world is a cathedral-sized nonsense. You're going to include it because you want to (which isn't a bad thing), because if you didn't want to, there wouldn't be NTR in the game. The justification seems to be more of a way of convincing yourself that it's necessary than a real justification, since you can surely do the story perfectly without NTR if you really wanted to. Anyway, it's not like you need to justify it, but don't try to sell us as a justification something that really justifies nothing.

I understand perfectly what you say, but it is not justification, I mean in the crazy world of music there is everything, like sharing girls, letting someone from your band sleep with a producer to get contracts or something like that, there are a thousand ways to put NTR, but as I said I HATE NTR and I think the best decision I can make is not to put it because as I can't please everyone I will please myself and follow my clean story.