VN Ren'Py Ripples [v0.6.0 Public] [Jestur]

[1tomadeira]

Obligatory:

Jokes aside, I actually can see Riley jamming to that song in her home.

 

[Pitrik]

Jessica and Tiffany on the same post? Kyaaaaaaaaa!!

Where do you see Jessica?

 

[1tomadeira]

Where do you see Jessica?

Yeah I noticed now after I opened the miniatures. Leave me! I'll cry in a corner now!

But jokes aside, in that one they actually look quite similar. But I guess it's the genes working properly.

 

[Das_Peanut]

Isn't Patreon or PayPal only subject to the jurisdiction they are based in? If they are based in Silicon Valley, the only rules they have to follow are Californian and US Federal laws, correct?

It makes sense to me that if a random country like Romania has a problem with Romanians accessing incest AVNs, then that is Romania's problem to deal with. Crying to Patreon to take the content down is absurd.

Mega corporations receive money for enforcing morals, that is how ESG scoring works. Big hedge funds give them investment money for having good morals, for example, being environmentally sustainable, supporting pride and woke avenues, supporting unions, etc. They will easily lose money in sales and public perception for shit like this because they make money back through investment firms.

Have no illusions. The morality of corporations is tied exclusively to money.
That said, as someone else has explained, (a) a corporation is subject to the laws of every jurisdiction in which it operates (there are some international rules for determining which jurisdictions apply to each act, but it's complicated, to say the least); (b) incest, understood as sexual intercourse between close relatives (precise definition of elements varies) is a felony is all US states (yes, even California) and several countries around the globe. Specifically in the US, failing to moderate content apologetic to illegal activity might lead to indirect liability. The protections bestowed on platforms by Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 are not limitless; they do not shield from liability under criminal law or from intellectual property claims. It's no wonder at all that platforms feel pressured to shut down controversial content for fear of indirect liability. Cultivating a space for them makes little money, and could cost quite a bit. As MurkyTurtle said, "given the choice between a) keeping an armada of lawyers of staff to make sure that AVNs on their platform are kosher with the countries they serve and b) issuing a blanket ban on stuff that could potentially get them sued or criminally investigated, it's not surprising they'd go with the safer choice."

 

[MOAR Cowbell]

If that won't get your fevah under control, I don't know what will.

I was going to make a reference about more cowbell, however I thought that's too easy.

More cowbell, obviously.

I knew someone was going to make that reference

My favorite 'Blast from the past' would involve Tiffany with either Jenny or Scarlett.

I suspect that if the MC and Tiffany had any sexy time in the past - we won't find out until this happens in the present and she gets to reflect on it, remembering something Very similar in the past and wondering how the encounters can be so similar...

Cheers!!

Well Tiffany & Jenny would be ideal because of who they are but I'm not going to say no to Scarlett as I'm into redheads.

It's more than likely in the future something will happen between them I mean if you make the right moves with Jenny, things happen between them, plus Tiffany is one of the main focuses in the present timeline.

Edit: I mean I'm not going to say to to a Jenny/Scarlett or a Tiffany/Scarlett scene hell I'm not going to say no to a Jenny/Tiffany/Scarlett scene

 

[Steuan]

She isn't in the update since we go in the past with Darci

But Jestur said that we will meet again her mom's younger version

Yeah, I changed to show more love to my favorite AVN Waifu and game

Sooner or later Skylar is gonna do some epic things, I think. She is the key for something important and gonna be super important. She suddenly disappeared, asked for help from Jack, got lots of tattooes in a very short time...

All for nothing? I don't think so.

Anyways... I like her mom, too. I hope Luna'll have her 1st lewd scene in EP7.

 

[Pitrik]

Sooner or later Skylar is gonna do some epic things, I think. She is the key for something important and gonna be super important. She suddenly disappeared, asked for help from Jack, got lots of tattooes in a very short time...

All for nothing? I don't think so.

Anyways... I like her mom, too. I hope Luna'll have her 1st lewd scene in EP7.

Is still early for a Luna scene don't you think? Not that i complain if it happens

 

[Takkatakka]

Sooner or later Skylar is gonna do some epic things, I think. She is the key for something important and gonna be super important. She suddenly disappeared, asked for help from Jack, got lots of tattooes in a very short time...

All for nothing? I don't think so.

Anyways... I like her mom, too. I hope Luna'll have her 1st lewd scene in EP7.

I found Skylar's scene from the last patch to be pretty epic already.

 

[quorkboy]

I have to admit that Khloe Is much better and naughty than her daughter for me .... Well, we still didn't see her in the present but my god what a girl

I agree. For me I think a lot of it is the hairstyle. I don't like how Krystal usually does her hair. When she had it down at her place it looked great. And in the cosplay scenes that style worked for her. But as long as she's happy with her usual style, not my place to complain. Only my personal preference. And such a small thing when she's incredible in about every other possible way.

 

[PaxHadrian17]

Is still early for a Luna scene don't you think? Not that i complain if it happens

I could see a make out scene with some groping, based on what we've seen of Luna in the past.

Unless she is Very different than her waitress persona - we would need multiple encounters to get to something lewd - IMO.

I would like to see it, OC!

Cheers!!

 

[Steuan]

Is still early for a Luna scene don't you think? Not that i complain if it happens

Well, if Ripples will have 30 or 40 episodes yeah you're right it's still early.

 

[Elhemeer]

Is still early for a Luna scene don't you think? Not that i complain if it happens

I don't actually think it's early for something to happen with Luna ... it might not be a full-on sex scene, but I wouldn't be surprised if they move into lewd territory ...

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[DaFinker]

I don't actually think it's early for something to happen with Luna ... it might not be a full-on sex scene, but I wouldn't be surprised if they move into lewd territory ...

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Nonononononononono NO!

That would be entirely too scandalous at this point. They're barely to the quick BJ stage - that is just way too far.

 

[KanyeT]

You are subject to the laws of any jurisdiction that you do business in. This is why Pornhub and several other streaming sites have been slowly going dark in some US states like Texas that implemented strict ID laws for accessing adult content. Suing someone outside that jurisdiction is a little more challenging but there is a vast web of reciprocity agreements between countries that make it possible. And, even if they can't sue you, they can absolutely cut off your access to the market. Patreon may not need Romania, but Visa and PayPal would shit their pants at the threat at tourists who could no longer use their credit cards on vacation or businesses that couldn't process online transactions. Again, nobody is going to this much trouble or risk to protect a comparatively small number of incest AVNs.

Also, I think you're overestimating the impact it would have on ESG scores for businesses this large. Supporting incest AVN payments wouldn't even dent their scores since they could still easily report that they're not "Significantly Involved" in Adult Entertainment; they'd be a rounding error lost in the billions of normie transactions a day they process. Visa is much more susceptible to bad press (e.g., "Visa defends the rights of cartoon incest smut producers in court!") than to a slight change in an oblique investment score.

That sounds like a ludicrous standard to have. If you are a major corporation like Twitter, you would have to monitor and be aware of every single law in every single country across the world in order to stay in business? Seems easier to just let each individual nation deal with their own laws and act as a neutral platform. No need to cut off the entire access to the market, just the content that they have objections to, because then both parties suffer - Romania will want their tourists to use VISA or PayPal since it benefits their economy too.

ESG doesn't consider the proportionality of transactions, it is the values you hold as a company. If you hold enough of the correct opinions, then sure, one or two sour ones might not mean a lot. The bad press comes with the bad ESG since the corporate press is also subservient to these scores - writing hit pieces or editorials calling out incest is their way of expressing the correct opinions.

Even just outside of the investment money, there are also ideological reasons to hold these positions.

Have no illusions. The morality of corporations is tied exclusively to money.
That said, as someone else has explained, (a) a corporation is subject to the laws of every jurisdiction in which it operates (there are some international rules for determining which jurisdictions apply to each act, but it's complicated, to say the least); (b) incest, understood as sexual intercourse between close relatives (precise definition of elements varies) is a felony is all US states (yes, even California) and several countries around the globe. Specifically in the US, failing to moderate content apologetic to illegal activity might lead to indirect liability. The protections bestowed on platforms by Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 are not limitless; they do not shield from liability under criminal law or from intellectual property claims. It's no wonder at all that platforms feel pressured to shut down controversial content for fear of indirect liability. Cultivating a space for them makes little money, and could cost quite a bit. As MurkyTurtle said, "given the choice between a) keeping an armada of lawyers of staff to make sure that AVNs on their platform are kosher with the countries they serve and b) issuing a blanket ban on stuff that could potentially get them sued or criminally investigated, it's not surprising they'd go with the safer choice."

That is not true. The purpose of a company is to make money but there are idealogues within the company that will influence its decisions and priorities to some degree.

Indirect liability lol. It sounds like such a flawed system designed around safetyism instead of freedom. This notion that it's the mega-corporation's responsibility to make the internet and the world safe for us is misguided, in my opinion. 230 is outdated, especially with companies acting as both publisher and platforms to their benefit. It was a useful stepping stone but it needs to be improved and clarified, hopefully in the correct direction.

 

[DaFinker]

That sounds like a ludicrous standard to have. If you are a major corporation like Twitter, you would have to monitor and be aware of every single law in every single country across the world in order to stay in business?

Yes. That's part of doing business in different jurisdictions. It's a real pain in the ass and it's easy to get in trouble - what's ethical, or at least legal, in one country may not be in others. One major example is "consulting fees", frequently expected by government officials in most countries not in North America or Western Europe, are considered illegal for a US company to pay. It happens, but since we have laws against such corruption (not that they aren't flouted all the time), we expect companies chartered here to operate to those expectations world wide. That's one reason for foreign subsidiaries....

 

[PaxHadrian17]

I don't actually think it's early for something to happen with Luna ... it might not be a full-on sex scene, but I wouldn't be surprised if they move into lewd territory ...

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Some women really go for... headpats... gasp (and in public no less).

We'll have to see just how far down the 'rabbit hole' the MC goes with Luna (or with Both waitresses if her friend plays that way).



They might just be holding hands even while we speak, being 'shy' girls...

Cheers!!

 

[bASKOU]

Since the recent crusade against all things possibly 'incest' struck Patreon, it has become increasingly difficult to determine a developer's intent in this matter. Even when developers avoid Patreon and use another funding source, there seems to be a reluctance to write games with straight-forward incest content, lest the 'disease' spread to their funding source.

I can understand that players want to know how developers want their games to play out. I do too, because that's how I want to play the game. I'm an incest proponent, but if the developer wants something else, I don't want any part of a patch that forces incest into the game. I WANT to play the game as the developer intends, regardless.

If we can read the code, which is always possible in a Ren'Py game, we can look for 'patchability' - how easy can a patch be employed? Are the relationships modifiable, either through choices or through a specific trigger? But that's a lot to ask of the average gamer. Those here who do have that ability, could post their findings on this matter here on F95. But then, do we run the risk of some Crusader running off to Patreon with the news, in an attempt to pull down the game?

I do not see an easy solution to this.

For me, as an incest fetishist, I am at least encouraged that some developers still start incest games, even with funding on Patreon. How long those games will remain funded is another question.

I think in almost every games the fact that incest was meant to be or not is pretty straight forward. A landlady and roomates...

When the landlady feel ashamed of having lewed though of her tenant, because of her link to him (not because she is older) and this link makes it immoral... She could only wonder if the age difference is a problem, but when she sees him as her little boy, and you only need to change "tenant" by "son" it's pretty oblivious. It's even more oblivious with roomates. Yu can feel it, this is really awkward and seems totally stupid.

If it's not mean to be, you can feel and see a clear setup. Introductions are totally differents, and the LIs doesn't react the same way at all than "fake" non-incest games.

If someone have even a little doubt, it takes nothing more than duplicate the game, one with and one without the patch. You'll see changes in some parts of the conversations more that just the name or title used, no need of any ability to read code for that.

 

[Pitrik]

Random Skylar appreciation image meanwhile we are waiting for the update Day 7 ( the last one dedicated to Skylar )

 

[guiltyfreakinthesheets]

any ETA for the update? sry for the question

 

[Pitrik]

any ETA for the update? sry for the question

The new episode 1st alpha version is under beta testing