Ren'Py Abandoned Rocking Robin [v0.8B] [Robbery1211]

[ptahn]

I said I wasn't go to respond to anymore post like this but I recognize your name. I wasn't trying to turn this into a race debate. I said there is no market for it. My definition of market being what the majority of people want to see. Yes, there are some racist pieces of shit out here, I'm not discounting them at all. However, there are people that just prefer a white MC. These people happen to greatly outnumber the amount of people that prefer anything else when it comes to incest porn games and there is nothing racist about it. On the other hand, ROCKS N ROBIN was not adored in the black community either. So, not only was I trying to create a game for the minority. I was trying to create a game for the minority of the minority that like that type of stuff. So when I say I didn't have support, I'm not only talking about money.

So why not keep them both? Because the race debates would continue. It was already turning into, why does Dustin drive this car and Jason drive this one? Another example is the fact that you would not be on my page with your last three post if I had not created ROCKS N ROBIN. I'm not trying to be the Martin Luther King Jr of incest porn games. Now, I'm just trying to create a game that the people that support it will enjoy. So I listen to my Patrons input and this is what you get. If you prefer something different then perhaps you should consider supporting me and casting your vote. If not, then what you get is what you get.

I'm not sure why, but the people that play these games or at least like to comment, always seem to see the story as a work of art that should not be influenced by forces outside the developer. These same people will feel free to make suggestions, but revolt whenever a developer makes a change to make their game more marketable. They never see it as a business and usually don't support the game themselves. I don't think that he feels it was "right" what he had to do, I think he made the decision to make his game financially viable. I have no statistics, but I am guessing that the majority of the players of these games are white. Since most players see MC as themselves they prefer MC to be white. I don't think it is necessarily racist. It is the same reason developers are asked to allow players to name MC. I think a lot of people including me tend to give MC the players own real name. I also think as a general rule, players like it when MC is never shown at all, it helps with the illusion that they are MC.

Someone asked why this game doesn't make more money. First, story shows male characters other than MC having sex. It has nothing to do with race. In the game Being A Rock Star, a MOD was made almost immediately with the sole purpose of deleting a scene where MC's father receives a BJ from his assistant. I haven't played the game for a while but after quite a few updates the assistant had still not come close to being an LI. Second, backstory for Elaine; many people including me will not support stories that include women being abused. Third, Kelly having sex with her father. Many people will not want anything to do with Kelly after that scene. I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANY CHANGES. I'm just giving my opinion. It's my opinion that one of the reasons a game like WVM, with very little story, makes so much money. BD knew not only what content to put into his story, but also what to keep out.

 

[DewMongrel]

Man this game should receive much more love and support than it does. Its amazing(sandbox version). My only qualm is that the main character should've been a black kid. But with racism and stuff I get it but the story seems like it was written for a different type of character than the norm. Push boundaries...thats what will make you a Rockstar in this genre. But oh I love this game. So underrated!

I would never have played it if he did.

 

[ptahn]

I love your first paragraph!

As far as the second, I don't know... The game hasn't received support long before I added any of the three reasons you just named.
They happened in...
1. Version 6B
2. Version 5B - My thought was that it would be even more gratifying if he died
3. Version 6A

I don't know if I would like a game where all the sex is POV. Can you give me an example of one?

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You see MC's body, but never his face. Some stories even make a joke of it. For example a group photo is taken and MC's head is out of the picture.

I can't real explain when elements the story may have affected your game, because you had a number of issues. The first one was MC being black. (Please don't jump all over me for that statement. As I said before, the reason his race is an issue is because players want to imagine that they are the MC and if the player is white, they prefer MC to be white. If you need to debate this point, the point to debate would be whether or not the majority of players were white.) I don't know when you changed that in relation to the plot points mentioned. I only know that I have had this discussion in other groups probably a dozen times. The last time was less that a week ago in another discussion group in which another poster asked, "Why doesn't this game make more money?" In the WVM group I posted that one of the reasons WVM was so successful was because it did not have this content. I had 20 "likes" in about 24 hours.

The problem with your poll idea is that you are polling the people who already support your game. Now I'm speaking for only for myself, at any given time I support 15 - 20 games. The amounts range from $1 - $25. I do not support games with the content I described; and if a game I am supporting adds that type of content, I end my support. There are many people who disagree with me. I have had many debates with people in other forums on this topic. What almost always ends the debate is when I ask the person debating me if they support the game we are discussing. I'm guessing it is because the answer is no. As a side note one of the reasons these "supporters" (verbal, not financial) frequently mention is that the abuse in the story makes the player hate the perpetrator more.

Look, I'm not suggesting you make any changes to your game. Someone asked why you were not making more money, I gave my opinion.

 

[Robbery1211]

You see MC's body, but never his face. Some stories even make a joke of it. For example a group photo is taken and MC's head is out of the picture.

I can't real explain when elements the story may have affected your game, because you had a number of issues. The first one was MC being black. (Please don't jump all over me for that statement. As I said before, the reason his race is an issue is because players want to imagine that they are the MC and if the player is white, they prefer MC to be white. If you need to debate this point, the point to debate would be whether or not the majority of players were white.) I don't know when you changed that in relation to the plot points mentioned. I only know that I have had this discussion in other groups probably a dozen times. The last time was less that a week ago in another discussion group in which another poster asked, "Why doesn't this game make more money?" In the WVM group I posted that one of the reasons WVM was so successful was because it did not have this content. I had 20 "likes" in about 24 hours.

The problem with your poll idea is that you are polling the people who already support your game. Now I'm speaking for only for myself, at any given time I support 15 - 20 games. The amounts range from $1 - $25. I do not support games with the content I described; and if a game I am supporting adds that type of content, I end my support. There are many people who disagree with me. I have had many debates with people in other forums on this topic. What almost always ends the debate is when I ask the person debating me if they support the game we are discussing. I'm guessing it is because the answer is no. As a side note one of the reasons these "supporters" (verbal, not financial) frequently mention is that the abuse in the story makes the player hate the perpetrator more.

Look, I'm not suggesting you make any changes to your game. Someone asked why you were not making more money, I gave my opinion.

This is good discussion, thank you. However, I don’t think you will enjoy Rocking Robin because, let’s not forget, this is a mafia game with predominately females. Someone is going to have to die.

 

[ptahn]

This is good discussion, thank you. However, I don’t think you will enjoy Rocking Robin because, let’s not forget, this is a mafia game with predominately females. Someone is going to have to die.

If you kill off one of the LI's, yes you will have a huge backlash. AL did it and while it made DPC famous (or infamous) he probably would not do it again. He stays way from such content in his current story. Another developer copied DPC and killed off an LI, and it did not go well for him. What I think that most developers forget is that these are porn games. For a lot of people seeing women being abused is a big turn off. I do thank you for the foreshadowing of your future content. I know to walk away now.

I hope you are wrong about the need to kill off one of the women in the game just because it's a mafia game. I just started supporting Oath of Loyalty a few days ago. I can think of several other mafia games that have not done it. Oath of Loyalty has been out a month, is not well known, has little content and has 28 patrons. Your game has been out over a year, has a lot of content, and you have 60 patrons. Your goal is to get 125 patrons, are you willing to wait another year?

Anyway as for the black/white dilemma, there is a game (Bad Memories I believe) where the MC can be male or female. The story is POV, so the only time we see any part of MC is during the sex scenes. The developer just has to have some differences in those renders. You could do the same only it would require a lot of changes to the current story to make it POV.

 

[Meridian]

Can you get all scenes in one playthrough? Since VN option is seems to be gimped on purpose and sandbox option I can bear to play only once so I wanna know if its worth it.

 

[michael1984]

Loving this game specially since its a maffia themed game

Have to say the only thing that broke the immersion for me personally … Was that certain things were not implemented yet and the story moved on ...

But other then that I enjoyed it a lot so far... kindda interested if we will get to interact with some of the other maffia families ?

Also we finally able to build up our own mob family since we took out the pigking

 

[alexw14615]

I would never have played it if he did.

oh well it just wouldve been your loss.

 

[alexw14615]

btw i didnt mean to stir a shitstorm. i had no idea this game originally had a black mc. it just feels like this guy should be black. maybe its the hip hop, i dont know. oh well. its still dope tho.

 

[Robbery1211]

If you kill off one of the LI's, yes you will have a huge backlash. AL did it and while it made DPC famous (or infamous) he probably would not do it again. He stays way from such content in his current story. Another developer copied DPC and killed off an LI, and it did not go well for him. What I think that most developers forget is that these are porn games. For a lot of people seeing women being abused is a big turn off. I do thank you for the foreshadowing of your future content. I know to walk away now.

I hope you are wrong about the need to kill off one of the women in the game just because it's a mafia game. I just started supporting Oath of Loyalty a few days ago. I can think of several other mafia games that have not done it. Oath of Loyalty has been out a month, is not well known, has little content and has 28 patrons. Your game has been out over a year, has a lot of content, and you have 60 patrons. Your goal is to get 125 patrons, are you willing to wait another year?

Anyway as for the black/white dilemma, there is a game (Bad Memories I believe) where the MC can be male or female. The story is POV, so the only time we see any part of MC is during the sex scenes. The developer just has to have some differences in those renders. You could do the same only it would require a lot of changes to the current story to make it POV.

With this being my first game, and really first time in this world, I don't know what the people like and dislike. The patron count is a low blow lol. We both know it is the 5th reason. OOL was posted by someone with a 51k reaction score. Mine is 638. It already has 15 reviews. After over a year I have 22 reviews. I started from the bottom now I'm here!

 

[Thermophob]

Well, since lot of people offered their thoughts, I guess I can share few observations too.
First lets says few things about current state of game. It's fine, there is decent amount of sex scenes. Quality of renders is very good. Especialy for beginner. As far as I am concerned I don't like femdom, but it's easy to avoid, so no reason to protest. I haven't play story mode, since it's later introduced, besides, it's easy to play this game in free roam, and hint system is rather hand holder. There is some grind, but it's not terrible. Only thing I would suggest is to reduce both prices and earnings, but ok. There is decent amount of teasing and foreplay scenes, which can be boring, but I would say developer didn't exaggerate, and there were some sex scenes introduced pretty early, so it's ok.
EDIT: MC looks like a young adult. He is tall, handsome, has a baby face... he has a pretty decent sized dick, for sure, but it fits rest of his body... He is rush, and pretty naive at certain points, yet he is quick thinking, and sly...
Maybe he could be more aggressive and cocky (as future crime lord), but it would make him less likable I guess...

Why it's not more popular? There is a lot of games here, and it's not easy to make a breakthrough. Especially for beginners. Established devs have plentiful resources, established fan base and reputation...

About the MC? I went to begining of this thread and read it... There is few things we need to remember, original concept was quite different. I would even say it's different game. Robbery1211 did the right thing and started new thread, but mods merged threads, so it didn't really help. Gangsta rap might be interesting and unexplored concept, but for me personally, there is no appeal... Many of players are from the Europe, and such things are not really popular, especially in Eastern Europe (ok, I am here speaking from my own, Eastern European perspective, but this seems like logical explaination to me). Same goes to White/Black MC.... if I have choice, I will prefer white.

There were some complaints about lead girl character... well, I might be wrong, but I think it's about preference. Lana was one who gave here holes to MC earlier, she was the first who went to be his plaything... I guess, many developed preference for this character, and felt that Robin "took" Lana's place as a rightful girlfriend... As far as I am concerned, I prefer Robin character (she is supportive of MC, allows him to lead her, mold her.. etc... but ok, it's just my opinion)... Besides, in the end MC will bed both of them together.

That said, this was not a review, I will wait bit more to post it. Also, this was not request or anything like that, I do not support game financially, and really have no right to demand features. I like it at current form... and I hope dev will continue good job, and of course, he will be more sucessfull.

 

[michael1984]

Too be honest the people complain about the main girl Robin are just upset that she not giving up her holes sooner since Lana did it first...

The story imo is decent enough specially for someone who is a beginner at the whole game making … I seen a whole lot worse out there..

The maffia theme is great since there aint much of that theme out there currently...

Just think that certain scenes should have been implemented first before he moved on with the story caus immersion wise it broke it up a bit.

Would love to see some more choices in this game.... the models themselves are pretty gud … even the mc I am not mad at either...

The hint system worked fine with me I easily played trough it all with sometimes the help of that hint system

Just hope that the dev will fill in some missing scenes first before he moves on with the story … Since in some parts of the story so far it saying it has not been implemented yet and im like frustrated lol

I can understand he wants to pump story out to attract new people … but if u leave open certain scenes u break immersion quite a bit.

 

[Robbery1211]

Somehow, l_gotlanaskey is True when it should be False. She should not have called you about breakfast until after Johnnie busted up her house. That's also why you can't visit Elaine. I trying to see how it was possible for her to call you prematurely now.

 

[Robbery1211]

Too be honest the people complain about the main girl Robin are just upset that she not giving up her holes sooner since Lana did it first...

The story imo is decent enough specially for someone who is a beginner at the whole game making … I seen a whole lot worse out there..

The maffia theme is great since there aint much of that theme out there currently...

Just think that certain scenes should have been implemented first before he moved on with the story caus immersion wise it broke it up a bit.

Would love to see some more choices in this game.... the models themselves are pretty gud … even the mc I am not mad at either...

The hint system worked fine with me I easily played trough it all with sometimes the help of that hint system

Just hope that the dev will fill in some missing scenes first before he moves on with the story … Since in some parts of the story so far it saying it has not been implemented yet and im like frustrated lol

I can understand he wants to pump story out to attract new people … but if u leave open certain scenes u break immersion quite a bit.

There are certain scenes, like the ten days with Lana and the jail scene, that take a lot of time. If I finished them before releasing, it would be 6 months per release and I've learned from a couple other Dev's behaviors that people don't want to wait that long. Another reason is because I want to get opinions on certain scene before I create them. Such as Jayla being forced to wear a trenchcoat when providing the NDA. Or a threesome with Lana and Robin where they all interact because some people consider that NTR. Also, Elaine's backstory which is 50/50 right now. Thanks for the heads up ptahn.

 

[ptahn]

There are certain scenes, like the ten days with Lana and the jail scene, that take a lot of time. If I finished them before releasing, it would be 6 months per release and I've learned from a couple other Dev's behaviors that people don't want to wait that long. Another reason is because I want to get opinions on certain scene before I create them. Such as Jayla being forced to wear a trenchcoat when providing the NDA. Or a threesome with Lana and Robin where they all interact because some people consider that NTR. Also, Elaine's backstory which is 50/50 right now. Thanks for the heads up ptahn.

I frequently comment on the financial impact of NTR in games which of course leads to a lot of debate. That being said, I have never heard of anyone suggesting that a threesome is considered NTR. There are some that consider an LI having sex with another woman without the MC as NTR, but never a threesome. One of the reasons I brought up WVM in your thread is that that game also has an MC with a girlfriend who discovers that his best friend (who is female) has been in love with him for years. They develop a polyamorous relationship and I thought that you were heading that direction. It looked like you were building to possibly 4 such relationships: Heather/Holly/MC, Mom/Momma/MC, Robin/Lana/MC, and Robin/Mrs. Fine/MC; with the possibility of some of those merging to become harems. As far as I know that would be original, to have multiple separate polyamorous relationships going on at the same time. The things that get considered by some to be NTR but are not technically NTR in your game would be watching Jason getting a BJ from a woman while MC talks to him and the girl at the auto shop being Jason's ex-girlfriend (personally, I would have made her Jason's sister.) The scene at the storage unit is okay since it ends immediately and it seems like the woman involved is no longer a part of the story.

As far as my mentioning the number of patrons you have as being a low blow, I'm not sure how that would be the case in a conversation about how little support you have. I'm really just trying to help you out. If I had cared nothing about the game, I never would have said a word. You're free to think about what I have said or totally ignore me. If you take only one piece of advice from me, I suggest you do not kill a love interest. Many of the fans that you now have will hate you for it. If you want, do a poll on that subject. My guess is that even your current patrons would vote against that idea.

 

[Meridian]

Too be honest the people complain about the main girl Robin are just upset that she not giving up her holes sooner since Lana did it first...

There were some complaints about lead girl character... well, I might be wrong, but I think it's about preference. Lana was one who gave here holes to MC earlier, she was the first who went to be his plaything... I guess, many developed preference for this character, and felt that Robin "took" Lana's place as a rightful girlfriend... As far as I am concerned, I prefer Robin character (she is supportive of MC, allows him to lead her, mold her.. etc... but ok, it's just my opinion)... Besides, in the end MC will bed both of them together.

For me its combination of Robin being sassy technical genius rich spoiled brat and being insecure at the same time makes her less likable than Lana or Heather. Its a pretty annoying contrast.

 

[Thermophob]

For me its combination of Robin being sassy technical genius rich spoiled brat and being insecure at the same time makes her less likable than Lana or Heather. Its a pretty annoying contrast.

I don't want to change your opinion, there is no point to discuss tastes, but isn't Heather perfect example of spoiled brat? Also after MC rejected her, Lana found good for nothing thug as boyfriend. I would say it's great deal of insecurity...
(PS, it's not that I dislike this two characters, I just found this comparison bit odd).

 

[ptahn]

For me its combination of Robin being sassy technical genius rich spoiled brat and being insecure at the same time makes her less likable than Lana or Heather. Its a pretty annoying contrast.

I disagree with this assessment as well. Robin is always downplaying the importance of money. She knows MC is broke and she doesn't care. I'm not sure why you think she is a spoiled brat.

 

[Led]

If you just mod it see all the scenes and delete it you won't appreciate the great amount of effort that went into making it.
Reading a developers script is like raping them. I put secret little messages to myself in it. You aren't supposed to see that. It's like going into my house, seeing my mess and then forcing me to ask you to pardon it. When I close that door to hide the mess in that room, you aren't supposed to open it.

It's not that I don't appreciate the effort that went into the game. In fact, my personal opinion is that your game is one of the best games around. I get what you're saying, but I think, and that's my opinion, that people, myself included, don't use unren.bat to reveal the things you're afraid they will see when they do. They only use it to make sandbox games go faster. And why would anyone want to demand a developer to apologize for the hidden mess they may or may not see when using unren.bat? It's, like you said, hidden by default. So I don't get that, really. Nevertheless, I must admit, after your latest alterations, I don't see a reason, anymore, to use unren.bat. Those changes to the game are awesome. They already give the player in fact a choice to choose how fast they want to play the game by selecting the game difficulty. So thank you for that!

 

[Meridian]

I don't want to change your opinion, there is no point to discuss tastes, but isn't Heather perfect example of spoiled brat? Also after MC rejected her, Lana found good for nothing thug as boyfriend. I would say it's great deal of insecurity...
(PS, it's not that I dislike this two characters, I just found this comparison bit odd).

I guess I didnt express myself clearly there. I like spoiled brat characters but I dont like it when they are insecure. That's why Heather is endearing to me and Robin is not. And I dont consider Lana insecure. She loved mc and he starting going out with someone else so she did some stupid shit, it happens eh.

Robin is always downplaying the importance of money.

Thats in itself is a sign of being spoiled I would say.