KkuroSenpaii
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This AI uproar confuses me. I get that the "expressiveness" of the scenes has changed, but how focused y'all are on the art changes is... weird. If you don't like it, play an old version or replace the assets with the old ones.
Also, people who hate on AI art and "artists" don't make sense. The art was done for the game. The artist likely has no further say in the pieces already used in the game as they are likely property of the game maker, now. Likely it was part of the agreement that they'd be able to edit whatever art was received if desired or necessary, including cropping to fit, etc.
The weirdos review-bombing really need to go outside. This isn't some artefact or piece of history that needs to be preserved. Dev made a decision to go in a different direction with some of the art. If you don't like it, don't play it. Y'all act like customers who got a bad product when most of you probably aren't even supporting the game financially.
Also, people who hate on AI art and "artists" don't make sense. The art was done for the game. The artist likely has no further say in the pieces already used in the game as they are likely property of the game maker, now. Likely it was part of the agreement that they'd be able to edit whatever art was received if desired or necessary, including cropping to fit, etc.
The weirdos review-bombing really need to go outside. This isn't some artefact or piece of history that needs to be preserved. Dev made a decision to go in a different direction with some of the art. If you don't like it, don't play it. Y'all act like customers who got a bad product when most of you probably aren't even supporting the game financially.
well, from the perspective of someone who thinks that AI art on its own isnt a bad thing, i do think when you end up with inappropriately placed anatomy in a picture, it should be redone till the AI gets it right, especially when you plan to use it in favor of a picture that maybe wasnt the best quality but was at least anatomically correct...
sadly, AI art is prone to screwing up things like body parts or misplacing parts in weird ways... if we can get to a point where AI can concisely and accurately draw what it is supposed to when it is supposed to more often than not then ive no problem at all... but the one's ive seen so far playing the game have problems that make them clearly inferior to the original art... like having a double nose (or a bigger nose layered over a smaller one i guess?)... or a hand in places it doesnt belong... or an upside down vagina... that kind of thing should not be used in favor of the original drawn art... they should have had the AI redraw till its more accurate or kept the old art. i can deal with slightly misshaped fingers and toes, but major body parts is... yeah that looks weird lol...
that said, you are correct, im not paying for this product, so i consider my opinion a mute issue and just my own personal standard... the dev clearly felt differently and that is their prerogative i suppose...
anyways, sorry for the text wall, just wanted to say clearly that for me at least, AI art isnt the problem, its the lack of quality assurance on the art that bugs me personally... (but considering how this game is bug riddled and now been stat squished with a pay to win stat system... really, the art is a small thing in comparison lol)
sadly, AI art is prone to screwing up things like body parts or misplacing parts in weird ways... if we can get to a point where AI can concisely and accurately draw what it is supposed to when it is supposed to more often than not then ive no problem at all... but the one's ive seen so far playing the game have problems that make them clearly inferior to the original art... like having a double nose (or a bigger nose layered over a smaller one i guess?)... or a hand in places it doesnt belong... or an upside down vagina... that kind of thing should not be used in favor of the original drawn art... they should have had the AI redraw till its more accurate or kept the old art. i can deal with slightly misshaped fingers and toes, but major body parts is... yeah that looks weird lol...
that said, you are correct, im not paying for this product, so i consider my opinion a mute issue and just my own personal standard... the dev clearly felt differently and that is their prerogative i suppose...
anyways, sorry for the text wall, just wanted to say clearly that for me at least, AI art isnt the problem, its the lack of quality assurance on the art that bugs me personally... (but considering how this game is bug riddled and now been stat squished with a pay to win stat system... really, the art is a small thing in comparison lol)
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I mean, the mc should be around 18, or so various origins imply
That's exactly what many are doing right now, so this was unnecessary. And art is a matter of taste. What's ugly for some might be to others' liking, and vice versa.
Again, matter of taste. Art is subjective regardless if its for a porn game or any form whatsoever. AI imagery on the other hand is a tricky subject to touch upon, mainly since it involves ethics and arguments regarding its process and ownership.
Fair.
It doesn't need to be, but it can be someone else's favorite game. Sure most of the people here aren't financially supporting the game, but to pass judgement to the those disappointed with the supposed final update of the game when it was promised to fix (or at least mitigate) bugs from the previous version is off-putting. Mind you these are the same folks who invested their time into the game, be they a supporter or not, because they might have found the story and/or art to be appealing.
EDIT: Grammar and typos.
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Onahoe
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Yeah I completed every part and got the class. Guess she's gone. Fuck this "Gold Patch". What an absolute joke.
Gonna need to know how much new stuff they have added to the Noble origin and where do you activate it before starting again, because going through it all over one more time is gonna be a chore.
Promised to make Rulwe/Roderick the fourth mini-companion. They didn't.
GrandPaBrowning
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Good to know you haven't ignored tons of non-AI-related critical comments that highlight low-quality of the Gold Edition, which in turn suggests that "devs've chosen the different path" in reality is just devs cutting corners while failing to deliver their promises. Which kinda justify review bombing and all the negative attention devs got, given how they failed to do their job at developing the game.
I'd like to remind anyone apologetic that one of selling points of Gold Edition was bug fixing. Yet the opposite happened - game got tons of new bugs, many of which break the progression. Your companions can despawn from your party, there is no longer meaningful leveling system, gallery was somehow made much worse from a mess it already was, all the while ages-old bugs like castle defense difficulty select or quest log not working were not fixed at all.
Honestly, this game once again feels like pre-1.0 versions, which were a notorious mess of bugs and crashes that I've had a displeasure of playing. So, basically, we got a regress in many aspects of the game in edition that was supposed to fix things.
As for why people are focused on art changes... BECAUSE MOST OF NEW ART IS DOGSHIT. It simply has low quality, tons of mistakes, non-existant or misfitting emotions and other defects. In case you do not believe me, you can check this thread and my posts specifically, because I post and assess each artistic change I encounter, as well as some bugs.
Pre-empting possible accusations of hating the AI, you could also check that I've voiced my support for AI in general and commended some of AI pictures.
I am not a hater. But this update is dogshit that should be critisized. And devs made a greedy fuck-up and thus should be critisized as well.
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I'm playing version 6.1, Dicktacles still work, but (I think) it gets nerfed. I've cleared novos, deep forest, ornesse, and summeredge, my rulwe is nowhere as strong as yours.
Not sure if anyone mentioned this before but pro tip here: Rescue the Succubus in the Warlock Tower ( it's next to the portal called Warlock Tower ) to be able to skip future battles and get about 30k gold as well before starting Act 1.
insertevareference
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honestly the AI art replacement isn't what I hate about this "Gold" edition. It's the obvious lack of care that went into revision and playtesting. The 5.8 version is magnitudes more stable and bug free, and it's biggest complaint was the bugs it had. It's like Kal was alley-ooping himself to filter feed bug fixes on Patreon for another year on Roundscape.
I like the changes to combat and UI. I like the new origin idea/slight changes to story. I love the idea of passing over the game and polishing its art. Instead, the combat/leveling is broken, the origin is barebones and the changes broke continuity, and the art is hit or miss, with GrandPaBrowning showing us on here both examples of really good changes, and some that look like the vagina and the dick fused into a macabre, Cronenberg renditions of the original.
It seems like Kal did 1/3 of each of these things, instead of fully doing/committing to any of them.
GrandPaBrowning
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In my attempts of moving saves from 6.0A to 6.1 I've founds that Rulwe seems to have a cap on how strong he can grow. He was somewhere around 900+ hp when I've tried it first, and at that point winning battles no longer grown his stats. So I stick to 6.0A just to see how ridiculous I can get him.
Also, since devs generously fucked leveling beyond recognition, I do not consider it an exploit. Seriously, with other party except Hero doing squat, I either abuse Rulwe or grind my mind out.
GrandPaBrowning
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Precisely well said. Most AI pics in Rounscape are bad, but tolerably bad, spare for a few nice or horrendous examples. Complete lack of care, however, is anything but tolerable. Sadly, AI here seems to be a symptom of this lack of care rather than a genuine feature.
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AliceGameSlut
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So you're telling me one of the most popular lewd games ever, with a ridiculous amount of revenue, can't afford to hire artists to touch up the "AI-enhanced" images, and instead just throws them in with all sorts of anatomical and stylistic and continuity mistakes? geee what a surprise, totally didn't expect it
Fucking disgrace. All they had to do was pay artists to ensure the AI filter stuff wouldn't look off, there's a LOT of artists perfectly willing to work with AI as long as they're being paid for their work like they would otherwise, but these mfs just took the cheapest approach possible. It's infuriating, they already have a metric fuckton of art as a base to work off of, and they have the money to pay top grade artists to ensure it's all brought up to parity, hell they could probably afford hiring a team of artists to *manually* re-draw the entire thing with a single style. Instead they choose to prove why we can't have nice things.
"AI as a nice tool for artists? How about we use it for greedy cost-saving and make it shit for both consumers and artists? Subscribe to our Patreon!"
Fucking disgrace. All they had to do was pay artists to ensure the AI filter stuff wouldn't look off, there's a LOT of artists perfectly willing to work with AI as long as they're being paid for their work like they would otherwise, but these mfs just took the cheapest approach possible. It's infuriating, they already have a metric fuckton of art as a base to work off of, and they have the money to pay top grade artists to ensure it's all brought up to parity, hell they could probably afford hiring a team of artists to *manually* re-draw the entire thing with a single style. Instead they choose to prove why we can't have nice things.
"AI as a nice tool for artists? How about we use it for greedy cost-saving and make it shit for both consumers and artists? Subscribe to our Patreon!"
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GrandPaBrowning
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Another good point. There is nothing bad in using AI, but AI as it is now struggles to deliver quality product. Easy and intuitive remedy would be hiring an artist who would work on AI-generated image to relieve it from defects. Besides, if AI-image would receive such polishing, artist could bring their own touch, which would greatly help. Especially in departments such as general style (AI-images tend to be very repetive), facial expressions and body language (AI has very poor grasp of emotions, tends to make every character doll-like).
I even suspect that some scenes were done in this way. Three better scenes I've found is Succubus/Dog, Hero/elven priestess and Tyshtira/Dykesprings girls. In case of latter two and especially the last I strongly suspect there was a living touch, but I can't figure it out concretely.
AliceGameSlut
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I suspect they might have started with the idea of having artists touch up the AI stuff, realized that artists would (rightly) charge as much for their work on editing these pictures as if they were working on stuff from scratch, and very quickly decided that they'd rather keep hoarding money instead at the cost of quality, especially since having artists fix things would have taken longer than just getting the bare minimum from Stable Diffusion, and the sooner they put out any given update, the sooner they get more money. It's not the first project I've seen in the past year where this has happened.
GrandPaBrowning
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Sadly, I lean to the same conclusion. There is hardly a way they didn't have enough money and there is hardly a way they didn't have another option but using AI as is.
So, yeah, if it walks like greed, flies like greed and quaks like greed, its likely to be greed. And I would like to be wrong on this one.
insertevareference
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I genuinely really want this game to succeed, but exactly, Occam's Razor friend. The conclusion that requires the fewest assumptions is usually the winner, and all signs point to "I couldn't be assed to spending more money, so we put it through the meat grinder for cheap. Have you 'Gold Edition' ya losers. Sub on Patreon as I iron out these bugs over the next year or two."