Ren'Py Completed Sanguine Rose [v4.1] [DuskyHallows]

[lazybones123]

persistant file for full gallery - v4.1

How do I implement this? I've never changed the persistent data

EDIT: I figured it out, extract the RAR into the saves folder and overwrite

 

[Dusky Hallows]

Carmen's really well written, I feel like a core part of that is because she's borderline untouchable, but not completely untouchable, which is a pretty subtle difference. She's got a nearly unfair edge over the party due to her persuasive skills and sharp reasoning, and will exploit it to create a complete opening for herself, but she can't beat every option that the MC has.

One thing I'm curious about, as a pure hypothetical: would it ever be possible to gain leverage over someone like Carmen, to the extent that even she would have to admit she has no counterplay? I feel like she's the type of person who forces herself to find options to come out on top of any situation (irrespective of how much intelligence is necessary to make it work).

That's an interesting question. I'm of the belief that an author's perspective isn't inherently more valid than anyone else's, so I invite anyone to disagree with me, but in my opinion Carmen isn't the type to lose gracefully even if she will admit to having no good options. We do sort of see this within certain routes. We learn in several endings that the entire kidnapping only took place as a distraction while Atticus burns Carmen's fleet so it's definitely possible to outplay her, but she was never in a position to acknowledge it on screen. We also learn from her own POV that she acknowledges the situation was designed perfectly to keep her occupied for a few days:

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Carmen also admits to having these sorts of thoughts in some routes throughout the story. She claims she could make a more earnest effort to escape, but she's trying to work out the tactically correct move to make. She's stalling as much as Roman and his gang are. I agree with you that she always looks for options, but even she is a little stumped by the kidnapping. Confusing Carmen is a great way to gain leverage against her, but it doesn't make her admit defeat either.

So I guess all that really leaves is the ending where Roman poisons Carmen. And even there she never stops trying. I'd say if not for the arrival of her soldiers, there was a chance she'd eventually concede. Being drugged gave Roman the edge, so there's no way she'd take a proper fight against him, let alone Glasha too. Even if she let them bind her again, she'd still keep trying to think of ways to escape. Really the only way to stop Carmen from making plans is to kill her, and even then its ambiguous whether she gets off on it or is upset.

So I definitely think its possible to get Carmen to admit defeat, or admit to having no options, but even then she'd go down swinging. If we ever make a sequel its an idea I'd want to explore more. What does Carmen do when she knows she's beat?

 

[Jimmy0928]

That stupid trend of the "strong female character" stronger than any man just because ruins a lot of modern Hollywood movies, and ruins this game too. Women are not stronger than men. That's biology. Roman could cut all the shit of Carmen with just a punch in her face. But it´s suppose that she´s stronger than any man... Does exist biology in this game? At least, invent some kind of superpower for her or something.

This a H-game, every details in here are for blowing our load not our mind. You think too much for a fetish satisfying, load blowing game.

 

[Lindle]

That stupid trend of the "strong female character" stronger than any man just because ruins a lot of modern Hollywood movies, and ruins this game too. Women are not stronger than men. That's biology. Roman could cut all the shit of Carmen with just a punch in her face. But it´s suppose that she´s stronger than any man... Does exist biology in this game? At least, invent some kind of superpower for her or something.

Thats absurd logic, carmen isnt physically stronger than anyone in the cast, she's 'strong' because shes smart and charismatic, which are things that trancend physical limitations, giving her a super power would just be bad writing and be incredibly cheap.

 

[224488]

Thats absurd logic, carmen isnt physically stronger than anyone in the cast, she's 'strong' because shes smart and charismatic, which are things that trancend physical limitations, giving her a super power would just be bad writing and be incredibly cheap.

Why, then, she defeats a man taller and bigger than her, and equally trained as soldier, like Roman, in a fight? Imagine, in real life, a fight between two heavyweight champions in boxing, a male one and a female one: which one do you think would win, being equally trained and skilled?

 

[224488]

This a H-game, every details in here are for blowing our load not our mind. You think too much for a fetish satisfying, load blowing game.

Sorry for thinking that a porn game can have a good story and characters and not being only fap material.

 

[Dusky Hallows]

Why, then, she defeats a man taller and bigger than her, and equally trained as soldier, like Roman, in a fight? Imagine, in real life, a fight between two heavyweight champions in boxing, a male one and a female one: which one do you think would win, being equally trained and skilled?

Really sounds like the game ain't for you, but if you think Carmen and Roman are equally trained you're very mistaken. Roman is a commoner. He didn't hold a sword until he was on his way to adulthood, and his ability to fight without one isn't anything to brag about. He's more skilled than your average footsoldier, but not by much. Carmen, on the other hand, has been taught since she had the grip strength to hold a sword. She has unarmed training. She is a heavyweight. Roman is the guy at the pub who's pretty tough. They don't compete in the same league. They're not equally trained and skilled. In real life the professional fighter beats the amateur, even if the pro is a woman.

 

[224488]

Really sounds like the game ain't for you, but if you think Carmen and Roman are equally trained you're very mistaken. Roman is a commoner. He didn't hold a sword until he was on his way to adulthood, and his ability to fight without one isn't anything to brag about. He's more skilled than your average footsoldier, but not by much. Carmen, on the other hand, has been taught since she had the grip strength to hold a sword. She has unarmed training. She is a heavyweight. Roman is the guy at the pub who's pretty tough. They don't compete in the same league. They're not equally trained and skilled. In real life the professional fighter beats the amateur, even if the pro is a woman.

No. That's stupid. Muscle and weigh wins. As simple as that. Roman only has to hit once any woman with the physical constitution of Carmen in the face or kick her in the belly, and it´s lights out for her, but not on the contrary. And a woman with the constitution of Carmen would never have the strength to hold a sword and use it in combat against a man, since, in real world, sword fights are brutal. Look any video of a competition of HEMA in YT. And it's a sport, not even a real fight. That's why, in real life and historically, you can count female warriors in real battlefields with the fingers of a hand. At least, you could have done Roman slim and short, or Carmen an amazon, or something.

In classic movies or film noir, a fatal woman has her beauty, intelligence, and unscrupulousness as weapons against men, not physical strength. And that makes all the sense. That modern concept of the "strong female character", a woman behaving as one of those action heroes of the movies of the 80´s, like Van Damme or Stallone, and dominating physically any man, is absurd. Is absurd in movies like "Black Widow" for example, and is absurd here. If women could compete in physical strength with men, wouldn't be necessary a female category in sports, for example.

 

[gamingdevil800]

No. That's stupid. Muscle and weigh wins. As simple as that. Roman only has to hit once any woman with the physical constitution of Carmen in the face or kick her in the belly, and it´s lights out for her, but not on the contrary. And a woman with the constitution of Carmen would never have the strength to hold a sword and use it in combat against a man, since, in real world, sword fights are brutal. Look any video of a competition of HEMA in YT. And it's a sport, not even a real fight. That's why, in real life and historically, you can count female warriors in real battlefields with the fingers of a hand. At least, you could have done Roman slim and short, or Carmen an amazon, or something.

In classic movies or film noir, a fatal woman has her beauty, intelligence, and unscrupulousness as weapons against men, not physical strength. And that makes all the sense. That modern concept of the "strong female character", a woman behaving as one of those action heroes of the movies of the 80´s, like Van Damme or Stallone, and dominating physically any man, is absurd. Is absurd in movies like "Black Widow" for example, and is absurd here. If women could compete in physical strength with men, wouldn't be necessary a female category in sports, for example.

Dunno why you're even making a big deal out of this...
Sekunda: "Shit, I can't fap to this Carmen's fighting ability is too unrealistically op for my hard on to handle"

 

[224488]

Dunno why you're even making a big deal out of this...
Sekunda: "Shit, I can't fap to this Carmen's fighting ability is too unrealistically op for my hard on to handle"

Again, sorry if I think that a porn game can have some quality in writing. It bothers me because it´s a good game, with amazing drawings, and the ridiculous of some scenes of Carmen being Rambo or Bruce Lee ruin the character and the story for me.

 

[Dusky Hallows]

No. That's stupid. Muscle and weigh wins. As simple as that. Roman only has to hit once any woman with the physical constitution of Carmen in the face or kick her in the belly, and it´s lights out for her, but not on the contrary. And a woman with the constitution of Carmen would never have the strength to hold a sword and use it in combat against a man, since, in real world, sword fights are brutal. Look any video of a competition of HEMA in YT. And it's a sport, not even a real fight. That's why, in real life and historically, you can count female warriors in real battlefields with the fingers of a hand. At least, you could have done Roman slim and short, or Carmen an amazon, or something.

In classic movies or film noir, a fatal woman has her beauty, intelligence, and unscrupulousness as weapons against men, not physical strength. And that makes all the sense. That modern concept of the "strong female character", a woman behaving as one of those action heroes of the movies of the 80´s, like Van Damme or Stallone, and dominating physically any man, is absurd. Is absurd in movies like "Black Widow" for example, and is absurd here. If women could compete in physical strength with men, wouldn't be necessary a female category in sports, for example.

There are plenty of women who could kick your average joe's ass. I have no idea why you think the rest is relevant in a discussion about Sanguine Rose.

 

[actualrealname]

I too hate when my fantasy videogame features fantasy elements. They should rework this story to be about working a 9-5 job 6 days a week, getting divorced at 35 and dying due to liver failure at 50. Only then will it be realistic enough for peak immersion to be achieved.

Also more information about how much everyone I speak to benches, so I know whether I need to feel superior to them or come back to insult the devs a bit. Thanks in advance.

 

[Jimmy0928]

Again, sorry if I think that a porn game can have some quality in writing. It bothers me because it´s a good game, with amazing drawings, and the ridiculous of some scenes of Carmen being Rambo or Bruce Lee ruin the character and the story for me.

You just need to calm down pls. You said the world/history doesn't have a super strong female. Then, why don't just put one into a game to fantasize. I can promise you this game not involve any political correctness, not like TLOU, its just a game to satisfy someone needs. Making review is good, but what you said is only making people stress out.

 

[mikomess]

Hey. Is there a cheat code or a diffrrent way just to watch CG scenes?
I am not interested in seeing only CG's without context.

 

[Machete]

Why, then, she defeats a man taller and bigger than her, and equally trained as soldier, like Roman, in a fight? Imagine, in real life, a fight between two heavyweight champions in boxing, a male one and a female one: which one do you think would win, being equally trained and skilled?

In most of the cases a man would beat up a woman just out of the unfair disparity on muscular strength and damage resistance. Yet whoever had any experience at least on sport fight know that speed and tactict are in the equation too. It's not impossible to beat a phisically stronger opponent by striking first and not to be there for the replies.
Now, Carmen is presented as a mean and experience fighter that can read a situation and plan advantages, and she looks quite musculart too for a woman. Every time you see her body it shows in her being not a gram too heavey and angular in all her shapes. While Roman looks like a fit guy but not on an high tier of strenght, and probably a fairly competent fighter, yet nothing let us think he's an extraordinary one. He looks more like a sneaker while Grisha is the muscles of the duo.
All this considered, and also considered that in a sword fight phisical strenght is not as impacting as in a brawl, i don't think it's out of question that Carmen can have the upper hand.
I think it's less likely the scene where she strangle Ronan with her clothes. It would take a considerable amount of strenght to perform such an action and very little effort to shake a woman down of you. Even a strong one.

 

[Drone_for_a_Day]

This board needs a "cheat code" to turn disable "off topic" posts...

 

[Machete]

There is no such a thing ad an offtopic. The topic is wherever the conversation derails.

 

[Dusky Hallows]

In most of the cases a man would beat up a woman just out of the unfair disparity on muscular strength and damage resistance. Yet whoever had any experience at least on sport fight know that speed and tactict are in the equation too. It's not impossible to beat a phisically stronger opponent by striking first and not to be there for the replies.
Now, Carmen is presented as a mean and experience fighter that can read a situation and plan advantages, and she looks quite musculart too for a woman. Every time you see her body it shows in her being not a gram too heavey and angular in all her shapes. While Roman looks like a fit guy but not on an high tier of strenght, and probably a fairly competent fighter, yet nothing let us think he's an extraordinary one. He looks more like a sneaker while Grisha is the muscles of the duo.
All this considered, and also considered that in a sword fight phisical strenght is not as impacting as in a brawl, i don't think it's out of question that Carmen can have the upper hand.
I think it's less likely the scene where she strangle Ronan with her clothes. It would take a considerable amount of strenght to perform such an action and very little effort to shake a woman down of you. Even a strong one.

Totally agree on all points. Carmen choking out Roman with her dress is definitely one of the times the game works on movie logic. It's one of the scenes where, with more time/budget, I'd change how things play out a bit.

 

[Machete]

Totally agree on all points. Carmen choking out Roman with her dress is definitely one of the times the game works on movie logic. It's one of the scenes where, with more time/budget, I'd change how things play out a bit.

The one thing i'd change of this game is having more and more of it You did a remarkable job with this project.

 

[Dusky Hallows]

The one thing i'd change of this game is having more and more of it You did a remarkable job with this project.

Thank you! We've got not plans for additional content right now, but if we get any ideas we like there's the possibility of us going back to it.