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I can make an educated guess what happened. Creating the open world required creating each level with its foliage, background, music, entry points, exit points, NPCs, NPC interactions, enemies, enemy behavior, battle stages, cutouts and others. This is quite the amount of work for each level, quite the amount of balancing, and probably he wasn't capable of delivering on consistent basis, and judging by his recent meltdown - he's probably overworked and burnt out.
The VN route - just some static screen, text, an animation here and there, the battle stage, and cutouts.
I'm not trying to excuse his infantile behavior, I'm guessing what caused it.
Still, can't deny - his art is really good, the game had a lot going for it, but this current downgrade, and especially the way he faced the well justified criticism - I doubt it will go well in the end. I personally unwatched this thread, might check from time to time, but will not spend a single penny on this anymore, as I'm starting to get the Divine Arms vibes - great promising start, and then downgrade after downgrade, in hopes of steady stream of monthly subs...
The VN route - just some static screen, text, an animation here and there, the battle stage, and cutouts.
I'm not trying to excuse his infantile behavior, I'm guessing what caused it.
Still, can't deny - his art is really good, the game had a lot going for it, but this current downgrade, and especially the way he faced the well justified criticism - I doubt it will go well in the end. I personally unwatched this thread, might check from time to time, but will not spend a single penny on this anymore, as I'm starting to get the Divine Arms vibes - great promising start, and then downgrade after downgrade, in hopes of steady stream of monthly subs...
New version looks bad. There not so much good combat VNs in history, If any. Not good idea to go to this way. Also card based gameplay need far more effort in proper balancing than a simple RPG.
If creator has some proplems with the "open" world, why not to go the way of ToA ? Good combination of simplicity and free roam. And this approach definitely works.
If creator has some proplems with the "open" world, why not to go the way of ToA ? Good combination of simplicity and free roam. And this approach definitely works.
- Jan 13, 2022
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I agree, the temper tantrums his throwing are just fun to watch. he has the right to change the game or make it a VN and we as players or supporters have the right to call im out on it, if he can't deal with shit been called shit he should just stop been a developer and grow up, for now he looks just like a child what can't deal with backslash from his own choices.
- Apr 26, 2019
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better if he just continue that massage spa events, adding more arts.
- Dec 21, 2020
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Isn't the game supposed to be inspired by Karryn prison?, and now it become a library of ruina turn based combat WTH
- Nov 26, 2018
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As a matter of fact I did liked how he remade this game, and want to see where it will lead.
- Dec 21, 2020
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I didn't like it at all because it's supposed to be similar to Karryn prison which have a corruption based combat, and now the dev got lazy by throwing out the open world mechanic of the previous version and make it more boring with linear VN and failed to deliver what the combat supposed to be in the first place.
But hey that's your own opinion
- Nov 26, 2018
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Are You sure, that Open world in a way it was in previous versions - are 100% good idea? Karryns Prison - is not a great game. A lot of monotonous and boring grind, pretty lazy combat with identical turns and no possibility to choose what pose to fucked with with no possibility to escape from initiated sex.
Current release of Saria Reclaimed - is too soon to get a bad judgment. It's interesting approach in combination of Visual Novel and RPG genres. Previous releases had a lot of walking. It had similar to KP combat system, but Velminth decided to make something different, and I do want to see where it will lead. It's first release with such approach.
- Oct 11, 2019
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KP is considered one of the best H-games that is an actual GAME and not just a CG collector.
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This thread is not about KP. I mentioned it only because quoted user compared Saria Reclaimed with KP as if Velminth promised to make his game like KP.
- Jun 29, 2017
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Reminder that it practically cost a lot out of Rem and Sachi to get that game done too, even if it feels like they rushed at the last two floors. Not just monetary, but also their personal health and caused mental burnout. Plus the game had TONS of bugs that Rem worked tirelessly to iron out based on feedback.
All in all they both went all in on it and KP benefited on it, considering the amount of passion, sweat, and tears that gone into KP just because there wasn't a game quite like it at the time.
But yeah, we shouldn't talk about KP so much here.
- Jan 13, 2022
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I feel like the "This thread is not about KP" approach is a bit... Dead. And has been since at least page 22 of this entire thread, maybe even earlier then that. But, anyway.
For all who argue which direction was better: We can still play one way or the other. While I'm not a fan of the VN style the most recent update has taken on, I'm not going to hate on Velminth for it. Ultimately, they are the creator of the game. You either like it, and stick with it, or you don't and move on. It's really not that complicated.
For example: If this VN thing sticks, and the open world version goes defunct? I'll just move on. Not that hard to do.
And should that happen? The fans of the game will get divided, much as seen on prominent display here. While there will probably be a few frothing at the mouth because they lack any self-awareness or social prowess, probably due to living in a basement and never socialising, the vast majority will have their short bitchings and move on.
This game will either acquire new fans, who appreciate the VN style, or it will flounder and die. Another to add to the graveyard of failed smut games.
I never want to see someone's creation fail, and I'll never root for it. If you like VN? Good. Hopefully you'll enjoy it. If you don't like VN? Then find something else, and let's get back to discussing the actual issues with the game itself, such as bugs or other things that could be hot fixed, so that no matter what version or style the artist wants to do with, it'll at least be a solid experience.
It's just a matter of how much you care about the game. If not much, then like you, people will just move on instead of complaining. Otherwise, they will complain and leave negative reviews, (some) in the hopes of effecting change. For other people it's just a way for them to vent their anger at the author. The backlash is particularly strong for this game because:
- it has good art and thematic potential
- the author is toxic
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You... have you even played Karryn's Prison? How can you type so much stuff that's not even true about KP, like what you wrote about grinding and lack of pose to be fucked in.
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- Mar 18, 2019
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Remembered this game and my thought pattern was literally: "Omg let's see if it changed again!"
I literally can't right now bwahaha. I'm sick with almost 40 degree temp and I'm just dying laughing and coughing now. At this point this is just a farce, isn't it?
I literally can't right now bwahaha. I'm sick with almost 40 degree temp and I'm just dying laughing and coughing now. At this point this is just a farce, isn't it?
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I personally don't doubt that Velma can make a good VN given his artstyle, writing ability, and the general setting for SR.
However, a good VN is still just a boring mess of jpegs and text, I personally really liked the pixel art for the environment, backdrops, and the character interactions that were present in the game, it's a shame to see these small things go.
Perhaps he'll add some sort of 'hub' area that can act as a way to mess around in an open environment, but it won't really be the same. I'll still play the game in a couple of updates and I'll probably find *some* enjoyment in doing so, but it's going to be soured by the fact we lost what could have been one of the best WEGs of the past few years and instead gained a 7-8/10 VN.
However, a good VN is still just a boring mess of jpegs and text, I personally really liked the pixel art for the environment, backdrops, and the character interactions that were present in the game, it's a shame to see these small things go.
Perhaps he'll add some sort of 'hub' area that can act as a way to mess around in an open environment, but it won't really be the same. I'll still play the game in a couple of updates and I'll probably find *some* enjoyment in doing so, but it's going to be soured by the fact we lost what could have been one of the best WEGs of the past few years and instead gained a 7-8/10 VN.