I agree but there is a huge difference in criticism and just shitting on a game. Ive seen more shitting and insults on here but im not sure about the discord. Honestly I sat on a high horse dude that was just a bad comment. Im trying to see it from the dev prespective of having your enitre fanbase turn on you but it was his fault. I just want to say i dont mind when i see comments that have cunstructive criticism or just good suggestion I agree with most of them. Seeing people shit on a dev thats making his game pretty much free when most of them probably dont support is what bothers me. It does suck for the supporters that get back hand slapped by the developer. But does he deserve to be shat on or just lose his supporters. Does the punishment fit the crime?
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"I don't need to be a chef to know you burnt the chicken."
There is no crime nor punishment here. The developer offered an h-RPG with a Lisa feeling and Karryn's Prison styled combat. Then did a hard 90º turn left with card combat, and now yet another one for a full 180º turn making this into a visual novel.
I asked you for the pork you promised me and you gave me a burnt chicken. Of course I'll go eat elsewhere.
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They offered a hamburger and fumbled a fucking grilled cheese instead
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Played this since the beginning and this game went from potential to questionable to now absolute garbage tier. Good job dev you failed game 101 and decided to pull a ViperV. Completely throw away a good base for something nobody wanted.
The vocal reaction is kinda just due to the nature of development of these types of games. Since people get to see each individual iteration and are taken along the development process, they get to be more attached to it as it grows. Then when the creative vision starts to separate from a fan's vision, that's when you get this reaction.
When something like Halo Wars was announced, the diehard FPS fans of the series were able to just say, "oh this wasn't made for me" and move on if a bit disappointed. But if it was shown off as a classic Halo game, did open alpha network stress tests and spent months as an FPS and then switched to become Halo Wars, the reaction would be, well, maybe like this.
When something like Halo Wars was announced, the diehard FPS fans of the series were able to just say, "oh this wasn't made for me" and move on if a bit disappointed. But if it was shown off as a classic Halo game, did open alpha network stress tests and spent months as an FPS and then switched to become Halo Wars, the reaction would be, well, maybe like this.
But you can't disagree that the chef is quite talented. And you can't cook a chicken without him.
Doesn't matter if he's talented or if he's the only one who can cook chicken if all he does is burn it. It's effectively the same for the end user, who does not get a properly cooked chicken whether he's involved or not.
Yeah, except I WAS a supporter and I NO LONGER support due to the rudeness of the dev and the direction of the game changing. The criticisms go on deaf ears when suggested, claiming I needed to get good.
Everyone, thats saying "oh F95 is just being F95 again" or this is toxic and entitled behavior and clearly hasn't been reading replies and only cherry-pick replies. This game was compared to games like Lisa and Karyn from the early start of the development process, and we can even see the inspiration in his work. Even a game called Ruina which I've never played before the MC looks entirely like her and has some of the same card elements. This isn't a problem with the fans, it's a problem with the Dev. This game was too ambitious from the start and it's having an identity crisis. If it was just a Karyns Remake with a LiSA setting that would have been enough to set it apart from what its competitor, forerunner, or game it's compared to(whichever term you chose) Now the entire format of the game changes. Forget settings and inspirations, but now it's a VN game. What next real-life board game? Ova, handheld fighter? I'm in the discord for this game an Im actual supporter I can confirm that most of the time it's just an actual echo chamber or people just trying to appease Vel for whatever reason.
I feel like the abrupt gameplay changes and format in versions are enough to be critical. If the dev is foul-mouthed and insults supporters/fans then he shouldn't be surprised when/if they give him that same energy. Can we please stop acting like this Developer is being cyberbullied or run off the internet? some of his messages earlier in this thread (present and deleted) are more than enough proof that that isn't the case.
I feel like the abrupt gameplay changes and format in versions are enough to be critical. If the dev is foul-mouthed and insults supporters/fans then he shouldn't be surprised when/if they give him that same energy. Can we please stop acting like this Developer is being cyberbullied or run off the internet? some of his messages earlier in this thread (present and deleted) are more than enough proof that that isn't the case.
Oh yeah, the willpower thing was another problem I forgot to post about. I almost beat the big drunk guy, but he assumedly burped in my face and slapped my ass a few times and I lost
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So using the restaurant analogy; the dev opens up a restaurant that sells porkchops, to the interest of both customers (supporters) and the homeless (f95 in this case). He grows an audience around these porkchops, tempering his skills, adding different spices, improving its quality, and becoming liked for his quality meals. Then one day, for reasons largely unimportant to this example, he decides to start selling porkchops but diced into cubes. Everyone is a bit confused; some complain, some stop eating there, some offer criticism and worry over the change, etc. But overall the consumer base, if a bit smaller than before, remains present. Then the dev started selling chicken and stopped selling pork, and now everyone is up in arms.
Regardless of the reasons behind the changes, the dev initially gained popularity for selling porkchops. He has a decent following of fans who enjoy his porkchops. His talents and skills were originally developed when making porkchops. Now he's starting from scratch and needs to rebrand, and whether or not he serves the chicken burnt, raw, or cooked he's still not selling porkchops.
I'm not reading the rest of the comments, nor am I gonna judge whether each criticism is fair or braindead, rebranding from porkchops to chicken, with an audience that came here for porkchops, is a strange move that throws everyone for a loop.
Regardless of the reasons behind the changes, the dev initially gained popularity for selling porkchops. He has a decent following of fans who enjoy his porkchops. His talents and skills were originally developed when making porkchops. Now he's starting from scratch and needs to rebrand, and whether or not he serves the chicken burnt, raw, or cooked he's still not selling porkchops.
I'm not reading the rest of the comments, nor am I gonna judge whether each criticism is fair or braindead, rebranding from porkchops to chicken, with an audience that came here for porkchops, is a strange move that throws everyone for a loop.
It's not same, you can get burned chicken or get nothing at all, you not in position to choice if you so like to lurking around this chief.
The point is, the customer is expecting a properly cooked chicken. Whether he's a good chef or a bad chef, whether he's the only chef or there's no chef, no matter which way you slice it, a properly cooked chicken is not coming.
its better to have no chicken at all, rather than being promised a 5 star chicken parm and getting a charred barely edible piece of coal.
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I just hope that the next user who makes an analogy with food and restaurant brings chicken for everyone here, so many comments make you hungry.
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You want a pizza with meat and cheese. You get a pizza with pineapples instead.
You know, regardless of what you think internally about the situation, speaking openly and so rudely about those who supported you for so long is simply stupid.
It's so difficult to have a little tact and I don't know, to invent some wall of text that in short says "The project surpassed me, my time and private life no longer lend themselves to something so extensive, so I'll change the focus for something more Modest, I am very sorry for those who wanted to see this complete game but unfortunately it will be impossible for me to finish"?
I mean, it probably wouldn't be enough, but at least you'd have a larger audience on your side and public trust wouldn't drop as low.
I mean, you don't need to have a master's degree in marketing to understand something as simple as not becoming the enemy of your audience.
Your expectations are your own problem. Accept this as an adult, not as a child.