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VN RPGM Abandoned Saria Reclaimed [v0.17] [Velminth]

2.40 star(s) 162 Votes

Baitch

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Feb 7, 2022
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yeah... i dont like this new saria reclaimed

time to uninstall and keep going with other games
wish you a good luck with the new route
 

cykabylat

New Member
Nov 24, 2020
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There is nothing worse in game development then a bunch of yes men for fans. I view being a developer as making a contract with my fans/supporters. A contract to deliver on the promises I've made, and to give them the game that they originally supported. To suddenly change an entire game is breaking that contract. It's not delivering the original promise. The dev is rightfully getting criticism, and not just here either. Discord (until a massive ban wave) and patreon are criticizing him, too. Itch as well, until he disabled comments.
I agree but there is a huge difference in criticism and just shitting on a game. Ive seen more shitting and insults on here but im not sure about the discord. Honestly I sat on a high horse dude that was just a bad comment. Im trying to see it from the dev prespective of having your enitre fanbase turn on you but it was his fault. I just want to say i dont mind when i see comments that have cunstructive criticism or just good suggestion I agree with most of them. Seeing people shit on a dev thats making his game pretty much free when most of them probably dont support is what bothers me. It does suck for the supporters that get back hand slapped by the developer. But does he deserve to be shat on or just lose his supporters. Does the punishment fit the crime?
 
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I agree but there is a huge difference in criticism and just shitting on a game. Ive seen more shitting and insults on here but im not sure about the discord. Honestly I sat on a high horse dude that was just a bad comment. Im trying to see it from the dev prespective of having your enitre fanbase turn on you but it was his fault. I just want to say i dont mind when i see comments that have cunstructive criticism or just good suggestion I agree with most of them. Seeing people shit on a dev thats making his game pretty much free when most of them probably dont support is what bothers me. It does suck for the supporters that get back hand slapped by the developer. But does he deserve to be shat on or just lose his supporters. Does the punishment fit the crime?
"I don't need to be a chef to know you burnt the chicken."
There is no crime nor punishment here. The developer offered an h-RPG with a Lisa feeling and Karryn's Prison styled combat. Then did a hard 90º turn left with card combat, and now yet another one for a full 180º turn making this into a visual novel.
I asked you for the pork you promised me and you gave me a burnt chicken. Of course I'll go eat elsewhere.
 

LuckyNoHappy

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Sep 10, 2022
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"I don't need to be a chef to know you burnt the chicken."
There is no crime nor punishment here. The developer offered an h-RPG with a Lisa feeling and Karryn's Prison styled combat. Then did a hard 90º turn left with card combat, and now yet another one for a full 180º turn making this into a visual novel.
I asked you for the pork you promised me and you gave me a burnt chicken. Of course I'll go eat elsewhere.
They offered a hamburger and fumbled a fucking grilled cheese instead
 
Jan 24, 2018
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Played this since the beginning and this game went from potential to questionable to now absolute garbage tier. Good job dev you failed game 101 and decided to pull a ViperV. Completely throw away a good base for something nobody wanted.
 
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cptkleenex

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Jun 23, 2018
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The vocal reaction is kinda just due to the nature of development of these types of games. Since people get to see each individual iteration and are taken along the development process, they get to be more attached to it as it grows. Then when the creative vision starts to separate from a fan's vision, that's when you get this reaction.

When something like Halo Wars was announced, the diehard FPS fans of the series were able to just say, "oh this wasn't made for me" and move on if a bit disappointed. But if it was shown off as a classic Halo game, did open alpha network stress tests and spent months as an FPS and then switched to become Halo Wars, the reaction would be, well, maybe like this.
 
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Amerika

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Aug 13, 2017
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Velminth Thanks for the christmas update.

@ clowns in this thread berating the dev, you r*****s need to stfu. its literally a FREE game. I know for a FACT if you were actual patreon supporters or paying players you wouldn't be complaining on a god damn adult game PIRATE website. I do not understand why yall are acting so entitled when uv given the dev nothing in return.

I will say new direction is interesting. I feel the game has been made easier but the game still requires skill and thinking which i enjoy. The story is much more direct and understandable than before and i appreciate it.

A few things to consider:
  • The new method of being able to pick any card from your deck really diminishes the deck BUILDING aspect of the previous version. was this done to make the game easier?
    • an "improvement" would be to have a hand that you draw cards to and from.
      • from here you pick what to play into which slot
      • you can limit hand size to ease rendering or make it a value to be changed
    • at the moment this feels more like a turn based rpg with the active time battle mechanic.
      • the cards are a stand in for easily changeable skills. meaning the cards do not need to be cards.
      • the domination stat influences how often you go in battle.
        • an explanation of how this stat works would be very helpful.
  • info on strengths and weakness of each stance would be very helpful. If i could hover over the stance and it tell me what it is strong and weak to would be nice
    • i think the stances limits the design space. you may want it to be that each card makes you weak (2x dmg) and strong (.5 dmg) to certain dmg types. these can be shown as red and blue pips on the card. this way you can have a card like guard with only blue pip(s) as a defensive option or a card with no pips implying neutral.
      • this will allow you to reduce the amount of interchangeable defense statuses like guard and dodge.
      • this also greatly increases your design space.
    • consider cards which change the opponent's stance? this will involve grapping so mood increase?
  • I feel the combat UI is too vague. The game actually requires skill and I appreciate that but it feels burdensome to play skillfully
    • all the information is hidden so i have to click around to understand the enemies turn
    • the stance weaknesses and strengths are totally hidden. the tutorial only tells you "slash stance takes double slash and .5 blunt dmg" and you have to remember this and guess for the other stuff.
    • if the cards can have some animation on who they are targeting that would be helpful. nothing complicated just a simple "punch" in the target's direction.
    • some indication of the fetishes proc-ing would be helpful
    • instead of simply stance badges can you instead but the effect half of the card in the bottom so its easily read without having to click into it?
    • a detailed battle log (fetish, card, stance, dmg, mood, i.e. everything that changed) would be EXTEREMLY helpful
    • also the sometimes 3 energy or 2 energy of cards i can play made no sense to me. can you clarify that?
  • An explanation of things like mood, corruption, and the fetishes would be helpful
    • I couldn't find a bar or value indicating what saria's mood is or what the mood means.
    • are the enemies suppose to have a bar that can be used to seduce and then incapacitate them?
    • i would be very sad if seduction lead to a defeat.
  • Last but not least the animations seem to lag for me when i click thru them quickly. I have a pretty capable computer so i doubt its me. Is this a js engine limitation? consider godot? its pretty good for 2d games and the coding language is very reminiscent of python. (MOAR REDESIGN!!!)

Anyway thank you so much for making this. I wrote this up to be constructive. I mean no hate. I can tell you really care about the project and I appreciate it! Feel free to pm if you want to me to clarify anything or discuss something.
Have a Happy Holidays!
Remember to block out the haters
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Yeah, except I WAS a supporter and I NO LONGER support due to the rudeness of the dev and the direction of the game changing. The criticisms go on deaf ears when suggested, claiming I needed to get good.
 

ironmaiden69

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Apr 4, 2023
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Everyone, thats saying "oh F95 is just being F95 again" or this is toxic and entitled behavior and clearly hasn't been reading replies and only cherry-pick replies. This game was compared to games like Lisa and Karyn from the early start of the development process, and we can even see the inspiration in his work. Even a game called Ruina which I've never played before the MC looks entirely like her and has some of the same card elements. This isn't a problem with the fans, it's a problem with the Dev. This game was too ambitious from the start and it's having an identity crisis. If it was just a Karyns Remake with a LiSA setting that would have been enough to set it apart from what its competitor, forerunner, or game it's compared to(whichever term you chose) Now the entire format of the game changes. Forget settings and inspirations, but now it's a VN game. What next real-life board game? Ova, handheld fighter? I'm in the discord for this game an Im actual supporter I can confirm that most of the time it's just an actual echo chamber or people just trying to appease Vel for whatever reason.

I feel like the abrupt gameplay changes and format in versions are enough to be critical. If the dev is foul-mouthed and insults supporters/fans then he shouldn't be surprised when/if they give him that same energy. Can we please stop acting like this Developer is being cyberbullied or run off the internet? some of his messages earlier in this thread (present and deleted) are more than enough proof that that isn't the case.
 

PofB

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Mar 24, 2021
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If "Reworked the whole game from scratch" means losing at least 60-70% of the already existing content + many of the core mechanics as restoring willpower and such (if you try it you will see that in v.016 you can't recover willpower, so after few ero attacks your defeated) then we need back the old version ...

Not to mention that cheats in v.016 are also bare bones of what they was they only get Saria in heat but there is no heat meter in game to begin with, so yea dev made a bait and switch and run with all of the supporters money ...

We can assume this game will be with tag "Abandoned" soon which is sad as it had such a great potential.
Oh yeah, the willpower thing was another problem I forgot to post about. I almost beat the big drunk guy, but he assumedly burped in my face and slapped my ass a few times and I lost :LOL:
 
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dunklunktunk

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Mar 23, 2019
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So using the restaurant analogy; the dev opens up a restaurant that sells porkchops, to the interest of both customers (supporters) and the homeless (f95 in this case). He grows an audience around these porkchops, tempering his skills, adding different spices, improving its quality, and becoming liked for his quality meals. Then one day, for reasons largely unimportant to this example, he decides to start selling porkchops but diced into cubes. Everyone is a bit confused; some complain, some stop eating there, some offer criticism and worry over the change, etc. But overall the consumer base, if a bit smaller than before, remains present. Then the dev started selling chicken and stopped selling pork, and now everyone is up in arms.

Regardless of the reasons behind the changes, the dev initially gained popularity for selling porkchops. He has a decent following of fans who enjoy his porkchops. His talents and skills were originally developed when making porkchops. Now he's starting from scratch and needs to rebrand, and whether or not he serves the chicken burnt, raw, or cooked he's still not selling porkchops.

I'm not reading the rest of the comments, nor am I gonna judge whether each criticism is fair or braindead, rebranding from porkchops to chicken, with an audience that came here for porkchops, is a strange move that throws everyone for a loop.
 

tseug

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Dec 24, 2019
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Doesn't matter if he's talented or if he's the only one who can cook chicken if all he does is burn it. It's effectively the same for the end user, who does not get a properly cooked chicken whether he's involved or not.
It's not same, you can get burned chicken or get nothing at all, you not in position to choice if you so like to lurking around this chief.
 

Frostfire281

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Jan 18, 2019
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It's not same, you can get burned chicken or get nothing at all, you not in position to choice if you so like to lurking around this chief.
The point is, the customer is expecting a properly cooked chicken. Whether he's a good chef or a bad chef, whether he's the only chef or there's no chef, no matter which way you slice it, a properly cooked chicken is not coming.
 
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