VN RPGM Abandoned Saria Reclaimed [v0.17] [Velminth]

[Frostfire281]

Your expectations are your own problem. Accept this as an adult, not as a child.

It's a problem to expect what you were told to expect by the chef? That's news to me. Accepting it as an adult is in fact leaving feedback for improvement, as well as warning others who are not aware of what the chef has done.

Vel marketed this, and worked on it, as a battle fuck RPG for 2 years. It's not childish or unreasonable or anything like that to have expected a battle fuck RPG from him.

 

[Amerika]

Either way, if I was bait and switched at a resturant, and then the chef told me to deal with it, I will stop eating there

 

[Bawunga]

The other half of the equation is that even for the people who do like the new direction the game is going in, what happens when Velminth decides he doesn't like this direction either? He's already proven he's willing to tear up the foundations once, he could just as easily do so again.

 

[tseug]

It's a problem to expect what you were told to expect by the chef?

Yes, as long as you don't have a receipt of payment that indicates the item you bought. If there is such a receipt, then this is already the seller's problem and you can safely protect your rights through the court.

 

[MarshmallowCasserole]

Yeah, we're all aware that the current market is all for scammers to start a promising project only to drop out a quarter of the way through development, which is spread across 1-6 years. So are you saying it's a good or a bad thing? Because it sounds like you're trying to justify the dev dragging this project out and scamming clueless people who just didn't know any better.

Generally I agree with your comment, but to me it's obvious it is not a scam, strictly speaking.

Think about it, a scam is fundamentally about money. In the context of patreon-funded games a scam is about getting as much support as possible with as little labor spent as possible. A radical rework, of all things, is absolutely ruinous for that goal. It requires more labor, and it, predictably, pisses of tons of supporters. A scammer would never ever do such a thing, they would simply release very little new content, and delay updates as much as possible. I know of a certain creator that is making $1300 a month without a single release in two years . Oh wait, it's '24 already, so no content updates in three years. THREE YEARS. All you have to do for that to work is to garner initial support, and then make excuses, excuses, promises, excuses, and promises.

This dev, however, is doing a lot of stuff that directly causes loss of money. Realistically, we can say a) velm does not know what the game is supposed to be, and b) he's full of himself, unable to respond to criticism, unable to assume any responsibility.

Being a self-absorbed asshole is not uncommon among "artists". But a self-absorbed asshole without any creative vision is, well, what we're seing in action. And it is a glorious, glorious trainwreck.

 

[baiorensujaku]

I played it for a bit, dont think this new direction is inherently bad. All the pixel art was probably really time consuming. But still the way it is now is just disappointing. The game should start in some sort of hub area like a town, represented by a series of static images that you navigate via menu and can talk to some characters to obtain quests and with that access to new locations. Once you are done you leave town and are presented with a world map where you choose where to go. That way the player would have more agency rather than doing things in such a linear fashion and it would also be visually more interesting. Also some of the new art is very wonky like the one of naked saria covering her breasts during combat.
Also is the whole "fuck-battle" aspect of the game permanently gone or just undergoing reworks?

I prefer the current version in some ways, If the dev continues working on it and improving it, the negativity surrounding the game will dissipate. But he needs to stop being so sensitive and lashing out at people. This was a drastic change that caught people off-guard so the strong reactions are somewhat understandable.

 

[voxsunderland]

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Oh I wasnt really giving the thread attention more than my earlier post. it was just a reply to you.

Have a nice day.

 

[KpEn]

The other half of the equation is that even for the people who do like the new direction the game is going in, what happens when Velminth decides he doesn't like this direction either? He's already proven he's willing to tear up the foundations once, he could just as easily do so again.

Twice. Adding the card battle system that most people disagreed with.

 

[Frostfire281]

Yes, as long as you don't have a receipt of payment that indicates the item you bought.

So when you go to a restaurant, order your food, and they bring you the wrong plate, you don't complain because you haven't paid yet? You just accept the wrong dish and shrug it off?

 

[Michealstj]

Just to make it clear.
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I'm really dissapointed by this bro just casually say that he doesnt even care about he's own supporters

 

[HikkiG]

Also is the whole "fuck-battle" aspect of the game permanently gone or just undergoing reworks?

Gone, Vel doesn't want to make battle-fuck anymore. The only aspect remaining is, and will only be, few harrasement attacks as prelude to a game over.

 

[Prysma]

Does the card system still exist in the vn version?

 

[Noctane]

>food analogies
Never change, /v/

 

[Nichizo]

I'm really dissapointed by this bro just casually say that he doesnt even care about he's own supporters

there is a lot of context removed from that lil chat btw
vel doesn't like drawing bald man png so he took off the battle fuck in exchange more content will come out of this thats the tldr.

 

[TheOnlyRockSolid]

Time to unwatch this thread I suppose.

 

[majespecter]

Considering most of the battle fuck animations were already done, at least for the humans, why not just throw them in? Also it sort of bothers me that some of the cut in animations suddenly have her clothed when she was already stripped naked. Minor gripe, but I always notice it.

 

[Supreme_Evil]

there is a lot of context removed from that lil chat btw
vel doesn't like drawing bald man png so he took off the battle fuck in exchange more content will come out of this thats the tldr.

So why the hell he added battle fuck system and created RPG based game overall at the very beginning, when he doesn't like it at all?
To me it looks like a big scam to just attract people and then turn it around in the other way.

 

[EmilIrving]

there is a lot of context removed from that lil chat btw
vel doesn't like drawing bald man png so he took off the battle fuck in exchange more content will come out of this thats the tldr.

Which doesn't make sense considering the monster mobs that do their own harassing before even the revamp for the card battle (which he took the time to draw, along with the 'costumes' for the individual build mechanic... and Velm was prepping to do art of them doing just that before deciding to throw out the battle fuck.

And he could have drawn the humans having hair (like the drunk guy whom is obviously the first optional boss that was bald in the original and card-based variations). Or drawn them as a variety and replace the old images, if he even cares about that. But he is only using that as an excuse behind chasing the card-system trend just cause people prefer a VN over a RPG. And people, for who knows why, prefer to count cards over a regular RPG. And that's just enough to turn people over, cause balance isn't required (it didn't take long to figure about the most busted cards/builds for either wanting Saria to slut it up or be a virgin).

 

[HikkiG]

Does the card system still exist in the vn version?

Yes, and it's still as much of a broken mess as ever. Works better than previous iteration, but also more annoying.

 

[Nichizo]

So why the hell he added battle fuck system and created RPG based game overall at the very beginning, when he doesn't like it at all?
To me it looks like a big scam to just attract people and then turn it around in the other way.

Which doesn't make sense considering the monster mobs that do their own harassing before even the revamp for the card battle (which he took the time to draw, along with the 'costumes' for the individual build mechanic... and Velm was prepping to do art of them doing just that before deciding to throw out the battle fuck.

And he could have drawn the humans having hair (like the drunk guy whom is obviously the first optional boss that was bald in the original and card-based variations). Or drawn them as a variety and replace the old images, if he even cares about that. But he is only using that as an excuse behind chasing the card-system trend just cause people prefer a VN over a RPG. And people, for who knows why, prefer to count cards over a regular RPG. And that's just enough to turn people over, cause balance isn't required (it didn't take long to figure about the most busted cards/builds for either wanting Saria to slut it up or be a virgin).

tbf and straight to the point it don't matter what i say to you this whole shitstom been going on for almost a month at this point, want my honest opinion just wait for future updates them the game will have a clearer direction when things take shape and forms P.S i know romanians are notorious for being wallet stealers but dont worry about it G its no scam XD.