VN RPGM Abandoned Saria Reclaimed [v0.17] [Velminth]

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Trümmern

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I don't care how hard it is to make a game or what issues the developer has, all I care about is the final product. If a hospital bound death bed developer fucks up a game I will rate it the same as if a AAA dev fucks up a game. The dev's personal failings are not my concern as a consoomer.
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dontmindme613

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Haven't seen a game get this many bad review so quickly so had to download the new version to see for myself.

I played the first version and quite liked it, wasn't perfect but was hoping things would get fixed. But after playing the new version I can understand why so many people are annoyed.

First version had a very original atmosphere and feel to it. Now that's all gone and just a boring card game instead. I haven't seen a game change this much before. I guess Light Space Love is the only other Karryn's Prison like game at the moment?
I'm honestly bummed about it. karryn's prison is finished, light space love takes forever for updates to come out (they are pretty good tho), and this was the only other game that scratched that itch, now its gone further down the drain than a Californian gender reveal party.
 

GreatS

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Disclaimer: I disregard the whole investment vs patronage debate.
I wouldn't mind gameplay, that is a slimmed down version of Library of Ruina, but the new version should be titled as 0.2 at best. A good 'adult' card game is harder to come by than another RPGM title, even one inspired by the top of the class that is Karryn's Prison, because card games have to meet a much higher standard to be enjoyable.
The gameplay of the original game was far weaker than Karryn's Prison, so I don't get the criticism directed towards the genre switch. In my oppinion the biggest problem right now is the loss of content, atmosphere and choice compared to the previous offering. I also believe that the devs greatest strength is the artwork, so changing to a more gameplay focused genre might still prove detrimental in the long run.
On a lighter note: This update finally made me realize that Saria is supposed to be a buff, tan, excessively endowed Angela.
 

Trapitalism101

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I don't mind the rework actually. At least in theory. I dislike card games, but asides from that I don't mind the game moving in a different direction.
 
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Eroitch

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I don't know if the dev reads this, but I will just leave this here:

The rework is abysmal. You had an idea which worked fine, had a direction, and you did a complete 180° to whatever this crazy mess is. I really find it hard to understand, why? Why not follow through with something you saw people support and appreciate to something they obviously hate? Don't tell me you find this to work better than the previous approach, you can not seriously think that, and I can't in good faith believe you did not see the shitstorm coming with your own fans reacting the way they are because I won't believe that either. You are either pulling off some crazy ass trolling or are completely delusional. Either way, a bad joke.

I have a hunch this happened due to a copyright strike. If that is the case, don't let it dishearten you, just modify the assets till you satisfy the conditions. But don't COMPLETELY remake the game ffs...
 
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JosGui

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The game doesn't let me choose the "naughty" options, I don't know if that's how the game is or if I'm having a bug.
 

HikkiG

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The game doesn't let me choose the "naughty" options, I don't know if that's how the game is or if I'm having a bug.
You have to raise an invisible corruption value to select them, which can be done by losing a few times through sex (by either spending too long in battle, or turning on horny mode.) After that just replay mission by selecting the horny option, only notable change doing so is allowing you to skip one of the bandit battles.
 

JosGui

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You have to raise an invisible corruption value to select them, which can be done by losing a few times through sex (by either spending too long in battle, or turning on horny mode.) After that just replay mission by selecting the horny option, only notable change doing so is allowing you to skip one of the bandit battles.
I have horny mode on and I still can't select the naughty options
 

Big Green

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I don't mind the rework actually. At least in theory. I dislike card games, but asides from that I don't mind the game moving in a different direction.
I personally do mind if the game is moving backwards and i think a lot of people do.

I see alot of people fail to understand the old game's scope was way too gargantuan for a single guy lol. Don't blame him at all, art is still good and that's the only thing that matters anyway.
How can you say that when we have games like Edge of Eternity made by 4 devs? Or Bright Memory made by a solo dev? It's just patreon devs that are typical lazy and milkers and they don't have any reason to speed up the process of development. Next stage will be a remake of remake.
 

Fhinix

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The thing about the original formula is that it gave more of a sense of "control" to the player to let/make H things happen.

Now it just feels reduced to a CG viewer with a minigame before it.

I'm a huge harassment during combat person, so to see that minimalized at the moment is pretty tough.

Just hope the dev takes some of the feedback and can reign in the concept while also keeping it at a workload that works for them.

Good luck!
 

taglag

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There is nothing worse in game development then a bunch of yes men for fans. I view being a developer as making a contract with my fans/supporters. A contract to deliver on the promises I've made, and to give them the game that they originally supported. To suddenly change an entire game is breaking that contract. It's not delivering the original promise. The dev is rightfully getting criticism, and not just here either. Discord (until a massive ban wave) and patreon are criticizing him, too. Itch as well, until he disabled comments.
what I noticed was that was that person you responded to made his one, and only post there, now I wonder if it was a fan or a shill!
 

ABthePerve

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I personally do mind if the game is moving backwards and i think a lot of people do.


How can you say that when we have games like Edge of Eternity made by 4 devs? Or Bright Memory made by a solo dev? It's just patreon devs that are typical lazy and milkers and they don't have any reason to speed up the process of development. Next stage will be a remake of remake.
Games like Bright Memory stand out because it is out of the ordinary for one person, an animator/artist even, to make a game like Bright Memory on their own.

I'm not here to defend Velminth, it's clear their behaviour is justifiably drawing ire, but expecting everyone to be an outstanding single person army is a bit much. Vel would've been making enough money to hire ppl to handle the parts of the game dev process they were having trouble with, and should have. On the other hand, this game seems to be more of a proper art project in their eyes, which I assume is why they didn't hand off control, and why redesigns happen often as they change their mind. (This is why proper big devs never put anything out in the alpha phase cause the game will change a lot)

Again, not excusing the bait and switch or the slow pace. But, it is their own project and expecting every dev to work at a special case pace isn't super reasonable (assuming they were full time at all, which it didn't feel like but IDK for sure). Add on that all the Saria content was freely available, not paygated behind patreon, and I think this is more a case of Hanlon's Razor.

It is also unreasonable to expect people to support a project that no longer is the game they pledged for, so I hope all those supporters pull support to show they don't like the new direction. The right thing to do by Vel is to provide refunds to some extent to their supporters, but I somehow doubt that will be happening :sneaky:
 
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