Echoesinthedarkness

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to be fair I never thought it was that great to begin with. But the moment the mother's reaction to her daughter being raped if you go down that path it became trash to me personally and only still playing cause im to damn curious how crazy it's gonna get. Sure the dev might be making it fucked up on purpose to make more a story of mental illness but my issues is it goes to fast to quick out of left field. If the MC was showing signs of it at the start then okay wouldn't of been so bad in my eyes.
I mean game starts with mc seeing psychologist (I dont remember this scene in full tbh so might be a bit wrong), so I guess its not that far-fetched?
 

Jacowboy

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I like how these guys dont give any leeway to devs, everything should be made according to their vision/liking, otherwise its a "trash game" with a plot that makes no sense.
Well, if it was just a fan project for fun I wouldn't say anything, but these devs ARE selling their shit games, so yes, one expects a minimum standard of quality.

Again, you can like it all you want, but that won't change the fact that the translations are ass and that the story is not very well executed at all (and not even that original).
 

flaviopaganini

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Well, if it was just a fan project for fun I wouldn't say anything, but these devs ARE selling their shit games, so yes, one expects a minimum standard of quality.

Again, you can like it all you want, but that won't change the fact that the translations are ass and that the story is not very well executed at all (and not even that original).
I don't know if the concept of selling applies in this game, unless it's being sold on Steam. Like most visual novels, it's more about the patronage concept, where the creator presents their work for appreciation and people help them to continue their work.
 

Jacowboy

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I don't know if the concept of selling applies in this game, unless it's being sold on Steam. Like most visual novels, it's more about the patronage concept, where the creator presents their work for appreciation and people help them to continue their work.
I mean, sure we could discuss the more finer details of patronage... as far as I'm concerned, as a rule of thumb, if people ask for money, it's a product that's being sold and therefore should be viewed as such, but sure, there's an argument to be made for what you're saying.

In this game's case though, the point is moot because it IS being sold on steam, so yeah, it gets judged like any other game on there.
 

Aramintha

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I had no idea this dumpster fire actually had fans that's the funniest thing ever I wont call it the worst game but its pretty up there on my list this game is like a psych ward simulator where everyone is a lunatic including the MC, I will admit its a nice comedy game you can play just for shits and giggles.
 

korochan48

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What happen to this game? I have so much respect for Miriam she was supposed to be sophisticated, mature and respected but suddenly she became crazy I know she is lonely and a bit bitch but damn she just became completely crazy. What happen? is this supposed to happen meant by the dev to continue the story. It suddenly from a great game to became worst.
 

korochan48

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I like how these guys dont give any leeway to devs, everything should be made according to their vision/liking, otherwise its a "trash game" with a plot that makes no sense.
I prefer if devs vision will what become of the game but this feels like not his vision it just suddenly the story turn up very different very fast. It is actually a good twist Miriam was his mother but I dont get the part where Miriam suddenly crazy in love with MC day after she is drunk. They have good work relation but not really shown intimate but suddenly just a day Miriam became completely crazy and also crazy in love with his son with no reason. It doesnt make sense.
 

Echoesinthedarkness

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I prefer if devs vision will what become of the game but this feels like not his vision it just suddenly the story turn up very different very fast. It is actually a good twist Miriam was his mother but I dont get the part where Miriam suddenly crazy in love with MC day after she is drunk. They have good work relation but not really shown intimate but suddenly just a day Miriam became completely crazy and also crazy in love with his son with no reason. It doesnt make sense.
I mean its a porn game what did you expect? also same issue can be applied to everyone, girls are jumping on that dick like its pogo stick. I will say instead of questioning devs decisions just follow a story, make your choices and see where it leads you, or just abandon the game altogether if sudden lack of realism ruins the game for you, thats not rocket science.
 

korochan48

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I mean its a porn game what did you expect? also same issue can be applied to everyone, girls are jumping on that dick like its pogo stick. I will say instead of questioning devs decisions just follow a story, make your choices and see where it leads you, or just abandon the game altogether if sudden lack of realism ruins the game for you, thats not rocket science.
So that means an adult VN cant be sophisticated and it must follow porn logic. Making sense is different from realism doesnt mean you can do anything in fiction you will do anything even it doesnt make sense. Are your brain rotting? and now it only knows porn logic.
 
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Echoesinthedarkness

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So that means an adult VN cant be sophisticated and it must follow porn logic. Making sense is different from realism doesnt mean you can do anything in fiction you will do anything even it doesnt make sense. Are your brain rotting? and now it only knows porn logic.
dude first off I can be mean too and I dont think we both want to go down that way, ok? second of all, there are sophisticated games, there are games with porn logic, and what you dont see apparently is there are infinite number of variations in between. the game can be sophisticated while also having bit of porn logic, because - surprise surprise - porn is a good part of such games, and to put it into the game in satisfying quantities will require to take some shortcuts, that will lead to not 100% authentic behaviour. its really not that hard to understand if you arent on some fucking crusade against particular porn dev lmao
 

korochan48

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dude first off I can be mean too and I dont think we both want to go down that way, ok? second of all, there are sophisticated games, there are games with porn logic, and what you dont see apparently is there are infinite number of variations in between. the game can be sophisticated while also having bit of porn logic, because - surprise surprise - porn is a good part of such games, and to put it into the game in satisfying quantities will require to take some shortcuts, that will lead to not 100% authentic behaviour. its really not that hard to understand if you arent on some fucking crusade against particular porn dev lmao
Oh sorry about that but got a bit little heated there. I just hate a good story suddenly get destroyed. I know it is a porn game but if I want just porn I just go directly to a porn site. Fine cant do anything about it probably I just move on.
 

Abhai

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I prefer if devs vision will what become of the game but this feels like not his vision it just suddenly the story turn up very different very fast. It is actually a good twist Miriam was his mother but I dont get the part where Miriam suddenly crazy in love with MC day after she is drunk. They have good work relation but not really shown intimate but suddenly just a day Miriam became completely crazy and also crazy in love with his son with no reason. It doesnt make sense.
this and a few other games seem to "benefit" from ai writing.
(though it obviously isnt stated anywhere)
so i would say such sudden twists arent due to "porn logic" yet due to ai logic :HideThePain:
 

sunqian3000

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this and a few other games seem to "benefit" from ai writing.
(though it obviously isnt stated anywhere)
so i would say such sudden twists arent due to "porn logic" yet due to ai logic :HideThePain:
So that means an adult VN cant be sophisticated and it must follow porn logic. Making sense is different from realism doesnt mean you can do anything in fiction you will do anything even it doesnt make sense. Are your brain rotting? and now it only knows porn logic.
Your speculations and insults have done nothing but destroy the developer's enthusiasm.
This is a dark story about schizophrenia. not so much gentle reasonableness.
Can you people who hate this game get off this page?
I just want to wait quietly for HematiteDev to finish this game.
 

Dessolos

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Oh sorry about that but got a bit little heated there. I just hate a good story suddenly get destroyed. I know it is a porn game but if I want just porn I just go directly to a porn site. Fine cant do anything about it probably I just move on.
Honestly im with ya I used to enjoy this dumpster fire of a game but now I'm just gonna play it every 3 or so updates just to see how bad and crazy it gets from here on out cause im too damn curious otherwise I would of dropped this game.
 

korochan48

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Your speculations and insults have done nothing but destroy the developer's enthusiasm.
This is a dark story about schizophrenia. not so much gentle reasonableness.
Can you people who hate this game get off this page?
I just want to wait quietly for HematiteDev to finish this game.
Yep I just realized that after continue playing. It is a dark twist at midway of the story turns out MC could be crazy and have a schizophrenia. I dont know if I like the turn of events it just not my type story get suddenly flip 360 did but not expect that. I may not like but maybe others like it. Good to luck to the dev
 

Abhai

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Your speculations and insults have done nothing but destroy the developer's enthusiasm.
This is a dark story about schizophrenia. not so much gentle reasonableness.
Can you people who hate this game get off this page?
I just want to wait quietly for HematiteDev to finish this game.
schizo much, eh? :LUL:
 
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HematiteDev

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this and a few other games seem to "benefit" from ai writing.
(though it obviously isnt stated anywhere)
so i would say such sudden twists arent due to "porn logic" yet due to ai logic :HideThePain:
It would be wonderful for me to use AI to write my AVN. Unfortunately, it's not like that. To be honest, I tried, but the result is that there's so much work in revising and correcting the content that it's pointless to work on it. AIs continuously contradict themselves in what they write, forget what they wrote just a few lines before, and keep repeating the same things.

Regarding the numerous criticisms about the development of my story and the fact that it's degenerated, I remain incredulous. Sassy Girl has always been a crazy story. From the very first scene when the MC imagines having sex with his therapist. The very way in which all the scenes evolve falls into the realm of the absurd.
MC fucks Beatrice under a sink and Karen who is there less than a meter away doesn't notice.... Dorothy allows herself to be persuaded to host a TV show in her underwear.... MC pretends to sleepwalk and Adele gives him a blowjob to prove to Miriam that he is faking it.... Josephine gets raped and then thanks him.
There isn't a single "normal" scene, and I've been very careful to avoid that. I enjoy writing absurd stories, and if many of you don't appreciate them... so be it.
 

sunqian3000

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It would be wonderful for me to use AI to write my AVN. Unfortunately, it's not like that. To be honest, I tried, but the result is that there's so much work in revising and correcting the content that it's pointless to work on it. AIs continuously contradict themselves in what they write, forget what they wrote just a few lines before, and keep repeating the same things.

Regarding the numerous criticisms about the development of my story and the fact that it's degenerated, I remain incredulous. Sassy Girl has always been a crazy story. From the very first scene when the MC imagines having sex with his therapist. The very way in which all the scenes evolve falls into the realm of the absurd.
MC fucks Beatrice under a sink and Karen who is there less than a meter away doesn't notice.... Dorothy allows herself to be persuaded to host a TV show in her underwear.... MC pretends to sleepwalk and Adele gives him a blowjob to prove to Miriam that he is faking it.... Josephine gets raped and then thanks him.
There isn't a single "normal" scene, and I've been very careful to avoid that. I enjoy writing absurd stories, and if many of you don't appreciate them... so be it.
Westerners are used to direct attacks on things they don't understand and don't like.
I have a favorite game.Developer of that game abandoned his work because he was attacked.
<Flirty F>[Oppai Comics]
I didn't understand it before, because I hadn't faced the Western Internet Hater.
Now I'm really sad and weak at communicating with these Haters.
It's an amazing feat if you completed this game.
 

AMRFTY

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It would be wonderful for me to use AI to write my AVN. Unfortunately, it's not like that. To be honest, I tried, but the result is that there's so much work in revising and correcting the content that it's pointless to work on it. AIs continuously contradict themselves in what they write, forget what they wrote just a few lines before, and keep repeating the same things.

Regarding the numerous criticisms about the development of my story and the fact that it's degenerated, I remain incredulous. Sassy Girl has always been a crazy story. From the very first scene when the MC imagines having sex with his therapist. The very way in which all the scenes evolve falls into the realm of the absurd.
MC fucks Beatrice under a sink and Karen who is there less than a meter away doesn't notice.... Dorothy allows herself to be persuaded to host a TV show in her underwear.... MC pretends to sleepwalk and Adele gives him a blowjob to prove to Miriam that he is faking it.... Josephine gets raped and then thanks him.
There isn't a single "normal" scene, and I've been very careful to avoid that. I enjoy writing absurd stories, and if many of you don't appreciate them... so be it.

Hi Hematite.
As the person who arguably gave the most elaborate criticism, I am also excited that you decided to voice this.
Your explanation gives (for myself at least) reasoning behind the way you set up the story - basically coming from the wish to write up absurd stories. Knowing you actively went out of your way to avoid creating normal scenes, I can now look at the game in a way that's hopefully closer to as how things were intended by you. I apologize for not realizing the lens through which you created the vision for the game, if I could realize it from playing the game at all.

Please share more of your vision and approach to how you wanted to create the story for Sassy Girl if possible. I form opinions about your approach, but explanation will help us better understand what is the story you wanted to communicate. I have since replayed the game with the new scenes and I think the story set-up works better now.

Wanted to deep-dive on these statements:

Sassy Girl has always been a crazy story. From the very first scene when the MC imagines having sex with his therapist. The very way in which all the scenes evolve falls into the realm of the absurd.
Absurdism can be a very strong trait in video games, and I think we all felt the absurd traces in the game. Was there a reason for the specific type of absurd content you chose to create? To shock or perhaps to ridicule?

There isn't a single "normal" scene, and I've been very careful to avoid that. I enjoy writing absurd stories, and if many of you don't appreciate them... so be it.
This is an important statement. So far, I have mainly used logic to review a game that clearly makes it a goal to be illogical or irrational. We all thought it to be quite a dark game due to the nature of the mental illnesses, but perhaps I (and others with me) haven't looked at Sassy Girl in the right way. Personally I have always classed the game as 'being different, almost absurd' as a style choice to tell a bigger story. But if your goal is to create an absurd game, the overarching story really doesn't matter as much.
 
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