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A variable that is either True or False so in other words you are either on the path or not.
Yes, but would that even remotely reflect how an actual relationship works? "Hey, Nora, do you want to shag? Yeah? Great." So obviously a series of variables should be used with the truefalse switch . . . which is basically the same thing as tracking points. If you miss out on points, it's the same as a variable being false when it should be true. I really don't see why that would be better unless you're oversimplifying it with only a couple of choices, in which case the relationships would seem far too inauthentic.
 

Guyin Cognito

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I'm playing through the game for the first time. I've got version "0.15 steam release"
I see from the comments there's been some editing people don't like, and people are getting into arguments with the dev.
We can debate whether games like this should be made "for the audience" or "for the artist" until the cows come home, but it won't change anything in the long run. Instead, I suggest the following.

First, if someone could lay out which versions had content that was removed, that would be really helpful.
Then, anyone who still has those versions needs to let the rest of us know and hold on to them.
Eventually, a modder will be willing to help out by making a bootleg version/patch that adds back in the removed content, but they'll need a copy of the removed content in order to do that.

It would be better and easier if SuperWriter would just make the removed scenes available as "non-canon bonus content," but my guess would be that after all this arguing, that's not something they'll be particularly interested in doing. At the end of the day, the artist is the artist and can and will do what they want. If SuperWriter wants to "George Lucas" the game, the only thing we can do about it is make a bootleg that still has Han shoot first ... er, the pregnancy and harem content.
 

NakedSingularity

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OK I'm a bit confused. A few choices say the game will remember that but it doesn't seem to actually affect anything, if what the dev states at the end is true and this is the end of the game. Also a bit disappointed that Irene wants to crank out her own basketball team worth of kids, but gets no help. I really wanted the MC to also knock up his mom (really gonna miss her furry ginger kitty) and 3 sisters and give the firstborn son a bunch of half-siblings to breed with later. *Sigh* Maybe in Secret Summer 2 set 15-20 years in the future MC will also get to put little girls in his little girls (I doubt he's going to have 12 boys in a row) Midlife Crisis style.
 
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Writing and renders always top, though this update scenes just felt a little rushed. Kinda like SuperWriter is starting to burn out doing so much all at once, hope I am wrong and if dev needs a break should take one
 

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sorry for the length in advance..

Well, the last episode of Secret Summer played, and, in the books, I say the game over all was a great game I looked forward to each episode. I see some liked it and many felt let down by the end scenes. I totally understand this mixed feeling coming from the fans/critics, Dev explained that the end was what it is. And possibility of expansion stories may come from it.

I think the novel became boring and cumbersome to work on. Based on the endings. As you can see the ends were almost there but not quite. But the buildup was, well Great. While I add possible ways, I would end them below it would all be gratuitous pandering to over play a game, that had an in-game time of only a summer long 3 months. So, I understand it was time to end the game. Just a quick thought in fantasy dreams worlds the time is irrelevant. The writer dictates the passing of time. And in this game, it truly did not follow any time in reality. Irene is already showing like she is near the end of the pregnancy yet she is in her first trimester that baby is going to be big lol.

I do feel a simple 2 or 3 renders would have closed the individual ends up a little better. With a couple hundred words. I think what most people are missing and why they are saying the endings are flat is because there is no image of what is next for them. Most paths end just leaving the future hanging out in nothing with no real possibility given to the reader of what is next. dev missed that part the reader needs, if it was there you would want to play the game again and again. Instead, you are left feeling let down. The reader is left to imagine the ending from a place with no direction established.

Nora, for example. Ending it at the climax where we can go raw and that is the last we see of her! All right after conveying a lager plot was possibly planed. This kind of put me out on the end it was like binge watching a new favorite show and after 3 seasons gets canceled mid-season. No cliffhanger or Shane riding off into the sunset. I would have preferred another scene with her. it did end on a high note and intimacy. But why add the “mafia” scene at the bakery if you were not going to use it. The scene added suspense but was not needed to end her path. Her ending needed one that brought all the ladies together and this would have helped the other endings as that brings the summer to a close with everyone together Bar-B-Que. One last pool bikini scene.

Coral, sure the game she and the Mc played “they won” but the buildup was better than the end the challenges had actual game scenes in them so we could feel we were in it with them but the ending of her path was a true let down even the sex was rushed it almost felt like the reader (Mc) was on the outside looking in. Its was the first time I felt I was watching the game instead of being immersed in it. not actually part of this path we should have had renders of game play instead of fuzzy screen and the special prize would have been better if the script had them showing the sim game and getting the mentorship to take it further maybe a scholarship for Coral in graphic design. The game just left her hanging out there like in limbo frozen in time. There was no future to imagine here just WTF comes to mind here is how it was left.

Leanne, her path played out very well (for me), as fans always want more, I would maybe ended it with a future scene of her maybe in a nutcracker play maybe Christmas in July special would have been good a close for her. Or possibly MC sending her off to school with a render from the classroom where she is getting instruction. But her end felt more complete than all the others.

Zoe, Her path ended how I think everyone watching a bad guy movie knows how it should end. the bad guy just gave in the end. I think dev was too light on the script for the Dom Sub script. Too lovely not enough Dom as the script said the Mc read up on it, he was too soft as a Dom. The start was great but his follow through was weak her requesting the punishment is not being a Sub. better option was to spank her ass for punishment then F**k it. That would have been better than the anal scene which was a great lover scene not a Dom/Sub scene. The way the script goes, it was a reward. and I would have used the safe word in the bathroom to get out of telling her or so no punishment making the rest of the script fit correctly.

Irene, I guess it would be very hard to get a good render with them in the waterfall dreamscape of the future. I would have the crib scene here and a second pregnancy with a child in the crib.

All, after each one ended their path, I would have brought them all together for one last scene and had a summer is over party with all the characters saying thank you to the fans. Kink a like a small family reunion. “See you in our next adventure”

I know its not my game, but I needed an end that had meaning not just hung out to dry all alone. I like to feel part of the world the devs create and I was in this game all they way until I felt lost on how to move on in the game from each ending. Dev this one needs you to revisit it after a season do the short you mentioned bounce back and fourth between a few writings build a game to completion while building one you publish like this one you stat as good as this was in the beginning and find a way to keep our attention once its complete you will reach a level only a few have reached
 

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Does anyone else think it's weird that the game keeps mentioning the girls' gums during BJ scenes? That's literally just the part of the mouth that attaches the teeth to the jaw, isn't it? Every time the game mentions gums, it puts this picture in my head of a girl with no teeth, and it reminds me of the horrifying and uncomfortable joke in Nutty Professor 2 with the grandma saying, "Come over here, and I'll gum ya." That is not what I want to be reminded of while playing this kind of a game.
Is there something about how blowjobs work that I'm failing to understand?
 

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as cute as she is normally id like to see Zoe in her new hair style more often it makes her look even better than ever
 

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A bit like GOT, overall worth the trip but when we were getting near the destination, we went straight to ludicrous speed.
 
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Is it really so hard to make a good or enjoyable ending?
I don't understand the logic in doing things like this, it just leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.
To the point of making me have no desire to support this dev, or play any of his other game, it's like he just says fuck it.
I'm done with this game who cares??? Wow, you really are a Super Writer :FacePalm:
 

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Is it really so hard to make a good or enjoyable ending?
I don't understand the logic in doing things like this, it just leaves a nasty taste in my mouth.
To the point of making me have no desire to support this dev, or play any of his other game, it's like he just says fuck it.
I'm done with this game who cares??? Wow, you really are a Super Writer :FacePalm:
LOL. Well, I was kinda disappointed that the end seemed rushed (ie what happened to the thugs wanting to close Norah's shop? The update simply removes that developing conflict). I really wanted the MC to get the mom and all 3 sisters pregnant eventually as well and not just Irene, but oh well, it is what it is. My guess is the dev was getting burned out/bored/whatever and decided to end it by running it into a brick wall with a rushed ending rather than toss it into the ocean and abandon it. As disappointed as I am at the ending simply abandoning it right at a cliffhangar and starting a new project soon after would be far worse, at least to me. Hot Sands of Antarctica is getting passed on to a new dev after the og dev plans to abandon that one (remains to be seen how smooth that will go). Perhaps that is what should have been done with Secret Summer as well.
 

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Does anyone else think it's weird that the game keeps mentioning the girls' gums during BJ scenes? That's literally just the part of the mouth that attaches the teeth to the jaw, isn't it? Every time the game mentions gums, it puts this picture in my head of a girl with no teeth, and it reminds me of the horrifying and uncomfortable joke in Nutty Professor 2 with the grandma saying, "Come over here, and I'll gum ya." That is not what I want to be reminded of while playing this kind of a game.
Is there something about how blowjobs work that I'm failing to understand?
Maybe they had some sort of early dental problem and now wear dentures? At least there's no bite mark anxiety if they are still learning virgins. Apparently it must be common when every other singles ad in just about every singles site mentions something like "please have all your teeth to message me", though that's mostly the girls pleading.
 

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Sad to see that this game is now finished. But have a question or 2. 1. Will there be a sequel? and 2. Why is Irene the only one with that gets pregnant?
My guess is no sequel is coming and Irene was only one knocked up both because it ended early. Guessing everyone was originally planned to get knocked up, but dev got tired/burned out.
 
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Guyin Cognito

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In general, I like Super Writer, and normally my default stance is that the artist can tell their story however they want. Picture Perfect was one of my favorites, and overall I enjoyed this one, too, but I can't deny having some complaints. SW says they're not big on writing long and involved epilogues. Okay, I'm prepared to support that. Not every movie does the Fast Times thing. That's cool. Sometimes, when a story gets to the end, it's just over. With that in mind, I hope that if SW sees this, they will take it as constructive criticism.

My experience was, I downloaded v0.15, played it to the end, and continued on from there when v1.0 beta came out.
Which means that my experience playing was that Norah got threatened by some mysterious crime lord named "Mother," and then Mother ended up doing us a favor free of charge to help out Zoe, which could (theoretically, based on any other similar story I've ever seen) put us in her debt and therefore an even worse position with the bakery, and then it's never brought up again. I think some consideration needs to be given to the fact that people play these Patreon "project-in-progress" games like they're a TV show, not a movie. I feel like I was watching a show that got cancelled suddenly and left plot threads totally unresolved. It's all well and good for people who come along LATER if the whole bakery threat is removed, but for anyone who was playing (or supporting and playing) along the way, that's naturally gonna be really frustrating. Not only because of that particular plot thread, but because that was the last thing that happened with Norah. So, it feels like she didn't get any ending at all. I spent the whole rest of the game, going along through all the other girls, distracted by worrying about what was gonna happen to the damn bakery! Coming to this forum and hunting around through comments to find out that was abandoned doesn't feel like carefully considered editing from this side of things. It feels like a messy retcon.

I was super excited to see how things would turn out with the Dating Sim and tournament for MC and Coral. The game doesn't get to completion and is never published, so we don't know how that's gonna work out for them. The big prize for winning the tournament is getting to design DLC characters for the game, which is awesome for them, because they're into game development! Then we don't get to know anything about what kind of DLC characters they design, or if that leads to any lasting connections in the game industry. Even just a few more sentences with no additional images could have made this feel like a complete and well-rounded ending for them. I don't need to know if they start a whole game company, or how successful it is, or even what happens the next time they hang out with Miracle and Sasha. This was so close to being a complete ending for them, but it just fell short for me.

Irene's "walk." Dude. The second I saw the word "walk," I knew that was a reference to "walking down the aisle." It's a known thing that parents, especially old fashioned or "superstitious" (i.e. religious) ones, want their kids to be married before a grand-kid gets born, because being born out of wedlock is the actual literal definition of the word bastard. This thing with thanking the spirits for their aid, but not expecting a wedding, is just ... whatever the intention was, it looks like a half-measure or backpedaling, and it was disappointing. Especially since, presumably, Irene is the only one of the girls that the MC legally can marry, it would have made total sense if he did.

To make it worse, it doesn't even sound like Irene got divorced from John! To that I say, HELL NO. There's a lot I can accept in these kind of games as far as other men are concerned, but if they're gonna go around talking like he's her man and she's his woman things cannot end with her still being married to that asshole. If nothing else, if she's still married to John when that baby gets born, he could claim custody of it, and with John and MC's DNA being so similar it would be a difficult battle to stop him. From what I've seen of John, that's exactly the kind of crap I'd expect from him.

Then there's the fact that the MC specifically says, "I'd like to know if I passed" in reference to Irene's father's little "test" and gaining his approval. That very much felt like a set-up for a follow-up scene that then didn't happen. I mean, I kept having to make choices that felt like I was earning points with the guy, and then ... nothing.

Zoe brings up a desire, and matching concerns, about changing her career path and potentially taking a year off from law school to further explore that idea. MC encourages her to follow her heart, but ... we're not told whether or not she ever makes a final decision about whether to take the time off or not, let alone whether she will end up ditching law school altogether. Again, plot point that are central to her character, her law career and her blog. They were the main focuses of her character, the balance of those things was called into question, and we're never told what happens with any of it.

Leanne want to get back into dancing, and for her that means getting into the dance school she wants. We help her out, she passes her audition and gets in. Presumably, she'll spend the next few years in dance school doing recitals and whatnot. We don't need to know what happens with the long-term future of her dance career, so this is fine. This one felt like a fully finished story arch that was brought to happy conclusion at a reasonable spot. No complaints.

So, SW, as someone who would normally take your side on any artistic control or editing or design concerns with this kind of thing (I mean, just look at my signature, right?), I have to tell you, 4 out of 5 of these girls definitely do not feel like a short, simple, straight to the point ending. They feel like they stopped before they were over. I know you spent a lot of time with these characters and this game already, but isn't that all the more reason to want to finish the job properly? Personally, I can't imagine putting in this amount of time and work and then leaving things this way. I'm sorry, but this game does not feel finished, and frankly, seeing "Okay, people. This is the end of Secret Summer" made it feel like you knew people weren't gonna be happy, and you just didn't care. Like you were just sick of dealing with these characters and you were ready to throw them away. You don't have to do anything just for the players, but that phrasing as a "The End" felt like a slap in the face.
 
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